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Is this jealousy unfounded?

Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
edited September 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Some of you may remember me from however-long-ago, but probably not.

A while back I made a thread about a multiple-crush situation I got into with two guys. In the end all was resolved nicely with one of the guys politely telling me he's not interested.

But the other guy, called "Number 1" in the previous thread, and who here i'll call 'J' (because I can't be bothered typing out Number 1 every time I mention him) is where things get interesting.

In that previous thread I said that me and J were both curious about guy-on-guy sex (sounds weird too say that out loud...) and so, during the course of that thread's existence me and him started "experimenting", which has all gone well, mostly cause he's hot and good in bed.

But now here's where the new thread kicks in. Since that last thread and mine and J's expermintation, it's changed from just us trying stuff out to, in both of our own words, being "fuck-buddies." Basically we're just like mates but when alone (and pretty damn often too) we go to town on eachother. So all is good.

Recently, however, J's become really good friends with this guy who I'll call 'G'. I've not seen any real evidence of J and G 'doing' anything with one another, but I've caught a few glances between them and I can't help but get the impression that they're fooling around too.

Course if they were I couldn't blame J. G's hot and I'm a pretty scrawny excuse for a guy.

Anyway, my question is: if J and G are fooling around, is the seething jealousy I feel whenever I see them together totally unfounded? Cause, I mean, J and me haven't got a 'relationship'' so to speak. We just hang out and frequently fuck each other's brains out, to put it simply.

The accumulated filth of all their hackin’ and wackin’ will foam up about their waists, and when all the ghouls and wastlanders of Megaton look up and shout “save us!” I’ll look down and whisper…

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  • VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    You're just fuck buddies, not boyfriends, so you don't really have a right to be jealous even if he's fucking the entire local football team. Don't want him to see other people? Ask him to be exclusive.

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    You can be jealous, but as fuck buddies, you don't really have the right to do anything other than confront him about it, if it doesn't go well, leave.

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  • KeyScourgeKeyScourge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    It's not unfounded, since if yoour right some other guy is fucking the guy you go to bed with.

    But in terms of stopping that from happening you're fucked, and not in the good way. If he's not your boyfriend, you can't expect him to remain undyingly loyal to you and only sleep with you.

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    You're just fuck buddies, not boyfriends, so you don't really have a right to be jealous even if he's fucking the entire local football team. Don't want him to see other people? Ask him to be exclusive.
    "Exclusivity" is a boyfriend type situation. You can't be 'exclusive' fuck buddies. Can you?

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  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Your emotions are natural and as such rarely ever unfounded, this case being no different.
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    You're just fuck buddies, not boyfriends, so you don't really have a right to be jealous even if he's fucking the entire local football team. Don't want him to see other people? Ask him to be exclusive.
    "Exclusivity" is a boyfriend type situation. You can't be 'exclusive' fuck buddies. Can you?
    No. Here's the thing: FWB insinuates that you're exactly that - friends (that is, two people who have no romantic attachment to one another) who satisfy each others' physical needs.

    If you're jealous, you've just proven that you've got some feelings for J. However significant, they exist. So your options are thus: maintain the status quo and enjoy your physical relationship without romantic attachment, while dealing with your jealousy or ask J if he feels the same about you as you do for him (and really you'll want to take some time to think about exactly how you feel about him before you do this) and ask him to be exclusive. In short, deal with it and enjoy the sex or confront it and roll the dice on either becoming exclusive or potentially losing the whole kit and caboodle.

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  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    You're just fuck buddies, not boyfriends, so you don't really have a right to be jealous even if he's fucking the entire local football team. Don't want him to see other people? Ask him to be exclusive.
    "Exclusivity" is a boyfriend type situation. You can't be 'exclusive' fuck buddies. Can you?

    You can make it whatever you want to make it. Ask him how he feels about the whole situation.

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  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    You're just fuck buddies, not boyfriends, so you don't really have a right to be jealous even if he's fucking the entire local football team. Don't want him to see other people? Ask him to be exclusive.
    "Exclusivity" is a boyfriend type situation. You can't be 'exclusive' fuck buddies. Can you?

    Lots of people in fuckbuddy situations are exclusive out of health concerns.

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  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yeah.

    That's one of the reasons why I personally don't engage in such a situation. If you have a web of FWBs, all it takes is for one of them to get some disease, and it gets passed on to you pretty quick.

    Plus all the emotional issues.

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Jealousy doesn't mean I'm in love with the dude!

    And shit, I didn't even think of health concerns. But J's always careful so I'm not too worried.

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    The accumulated filth of all their hackin’ and wackin’ will foam up about their waists, and when all the ghouls and wastlanders of Megaton look up and shout “save us!” I’ll look down and whisper…

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2009
    No one's saying you're in love... but there's a reason you feel jealousy... there's some attachment (it's perfectly normal, don't get worked up).

    Just talk to J and let him know how you feel about it. There's no good reason to stew in your own emotions.

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  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Exactly. Jealousy just means that there do exist some feelings of emotional attachment. That's not necessarily love, not by a long shot. But you should definitely tell the guy how you feel.

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Exactly. Jealousy just means that there do exist some feelings of emotional attachment. That's not necessarily love, not by a long shot. But you should definitely tell the guy how you feel.
    And risk my FWB situation? No dice

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    The accumulated filth of all their hackin’ and wackin’ will foam up about their waists, and when all the ghouls and wastlanders of Megaton look up and shout “save us!” I’ll look down and whisper…

    …Tunnel Snakes Rule
  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Exactly. Jealousy just means that there do exist some feelings of emotional attachment. That's not necessarily love, not by a long shot. But you should definitely tell the guy how you feel.
    And risk my FWB situation? No dice
    Then you have your answer: deal with the jealousy. Personally, I'd advise you to reconsider, as repression of any emotion can be quite detrimental, but it's your call.

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Exactly. Jealousy just means that there do exist some feelings of emotional attachment. That's not necessarily love, not by a long shot. But you should definitely tell the guy how you feel.
    And risk my FWB situation? No dice
    Then you have your answer: deal with the jealousy. Personally, I'd advise you to reconsider, as repression of any emotion can be quite detrimental, but it's your call.
    I can't deal with it. I keep finding myself always thinking "Where's J? Is he with G? What are they doing together?" and that last thought is always very, very depressing.

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    The accumulated filth of all their hackin’ and wackin’ will foam up about their waists, and when all the ghouls and wastlanders of Megaton look up and shout “save us!” I’ll look down and whisper…

    …Tunnel Snakes Rule
  • underdonkunderdonk __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Why can't everyone just happily fuck everyone else? No commitment has been made by anyone, right? You are experiencing an emotion, and logic and justification rarely plays a part in 'em. If you want something more with this guy, than ask him about it, eh?

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Exactly. Jealousy just means that there do exist some feelings of emotional attachment. That's not necessarily love, not by a long shot. But you should definitely tell the guy how you feel.
    And risk my FWB situation? No dice
    Then you have your answer: deal with the jealousy. Personally, I'd advise you to reconsider, as repression of any emotion can be quite detrimental, but it's your call.
    I can't deal with it. I keep finding myself always thinking "Where's J? Is he with G? What are they doing together?" and that last thought is always very, very depressing.

    You only have two options:

    1)Deal with it/Get over it
    2)Talk to J.

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    But I don't have feelings for him! I don't!

    Sure I get burning jealousy when I think of him slipping someone else the high hard one, but that doesn't mean I want him to be my boyfriend or anything!

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    The accumulated filth of all their hackin’ and wackin’ will foam up about their waists, and when all the ghouls and wastlanders of Megaton look up and shout “save us!” I’ll look down and whisper…

    …Tunnel Snakes Rule
  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    That's denial.

    You have feelings for him. You may not want to have feelings for him. But you do. You feel attached, and it's totally natural when two people have sex.

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Melkster wrote: »
    That's denial.

    You have feelings for him. You may not want to have feelings for him. But you do. You feel attached, and it's totally natural when two people have sex.
    My feelings for him extend to "he's funny, fun and a good lay". End of

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    …Tunnel Snakes Rule
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    But I don't have feelings for him! I don't!

    Sure I get burning jealousy when I think of him slipping someone else the high hard one, but that doesn't mean I want him to be my boyfriend or anything!

    Based on your OP, I assume you are still fairly new to the concept of relations with another man. That can cause confused feelings. It's absolutely nothing to be ashamed about... you're in new territory and even if you tell yourself this is what you want, your experience is nagging at you that it's different (and that's all it is: different).

    Jealousy is a base reaction to feeling that something we should "possess" is being taken by someone else (No, I'm not saying you feel like you possess J... it's for lack of a better word). In this case, you (on some level) feel like you are going to lose this guy to G. That's not a 1:1 equivalence with you wanting to be J's "boyfriend", and you don't need to view it as such. He's your fuck-buddy and you enjoy having that. If J starts seeing G on a relationship level, you'll most likely lose your fuck-buddy (unless J and G decide continuing your relationship as such is acceptable).

    That is what you're feeling. It's not unrequited love, it's not losing your boyfriend... It's simply the possibility that something you are enjoying will be taken away.

    If you don't want to "suck it up" and deal with the jealousy (which I absolutely think you should not), you need to talk to J about how you feel. That's your only other option. You can do that without sounding needy or clingy.

    Just say, "Hey, I know we're not doing this thing exclusively but I'm getting these feelings of jealousy lately and I just wanted to talk about it".

    Who knows, maybe J likes you more than you think (given your glowing reviews of yourself in your OP :P )

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  • ShawnaseeShawnasee Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Your feelings of jealousy are not unfounded.

    Next question?

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Shawnasee wrote: »
    Your feelings of jealousy are not unfounded.

    Next question?
    How do I stop being jealous?

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    …Tunnel Snakes Rule
  • underdonkunderdonk __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Shawnasee wrote: »
    Your feelings of jealousy are not unfounded.

    Next question?
    How do I stop being jealous?

    How do you stop being happy?

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Shawnasee wrote: »
    Your feelings of jealousy are not unfounded.

    Next question?
    How do I stop being jealous?
    You stop.

    This can be done by getting over it yourself, talking to him about it, or ending the relationship.

    Quid on
  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Shawnasee wrote: »
    Your feelings of jealousy are not unfounded.

    Next question?
    How do I stop being jealous?

    Since you've rejected all other options, you're left with two choices:

    (1) Drink yourself into a stupor.

    (2) Kill G.

    (Note: DON'T ACTUALLY DO EITHER OF THESE)

    Jealousy in this situation is natural for everyone but the rare polyamorous personality type. Whether or not you're IN WUV is irrelevant. So, you either have to deal with it, accepting the misery as a trade-off for the pleasure, or end the relationship and all interaction with J, or confess to J that you can't handle non-exclusivity.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Polyamorous.

    Quid on
  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The only reason to be jealous would be that you don't think he should be getting together with another guy on nights when he isn't boning you.

    Which, given your status as FWBs, is silly.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yeah you're kind of digging yourself into a hole. You can't claim that your feelings about him are 100% physical, then cry jealousy whenever he's with someone else. Both can't happen at the same time.

    EDIT: That being said, not being jealous is all on you. You'd be a prick to insist that you become "exclusive" fuck buddies just to sate your own jealousy. If you really don't want a relationship with this guy or anything past a friends with benefits situation, introspect a little bit and ask yourself why him being with someone else bothers you so much. Maybe you just hate sharing?

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Javen wrote: »
    Yeah you're kind of digging yourself into a hole. You can't claim that your feelings about him are 100% physical, then cry jealousy whenever he's with someone else. Both can't happen at the same time.
    Okay maybe there are some little, teeny-tiny feelings.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    No kidding. Now you can:

    A. Ignore them

    B. Talk to him about them

    C. Stop sleeping with him

    Quid on
  • ShawnaseeShawnasee Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Yeah you're kind of digging yourself into a hole. You can't claim that your feelings about him are 100% physical, then cry jealousy whenever he's with someone else. Both can't happen at the same time.
    Okay maybe there are some little, teeny-tiny feelings.

    lol We knew that from the vehemence with which you denied it.

    The way you stop being jealous is to trust your partner.

    That doesn't apply here because of the whole fuckbuddy/friend with bennies sitcho. So as others have said: Kill G. :lol:





    uh...don't kill G. What I meant to say is: so as others have said is suck it up.
    If you want to take it exclusive, then talk to him about it.
    Otherwise, suck it up, and keep getting your bone on...or get your bone on and then suck it up. :winky:

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    No kidding. Now you can:

    A. Ignore them

    B. Talk to him about them

    C. Stop sleeping with him
    Well C is totally not gonna happen. No way no how

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  • ShawnaseeShawnasee Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    No kidding. Now you can:

    A. Ignore them

    B. Talk to him about them

    C. Stop sleeping with him
    Well C is totally not gonna happen. No way no how

    I would go with A.

    Good luck.

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  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Even in a FWB situation there need to be ground rules. It's all well and good to say he's always careful but there are bad things out there that good people can catch. You need to sit down with him and hammer out the details of your situation. No one need talk of feeling and jealousies. You just need to say "if we are doing xyz I need to have these ground rules covered to protect myself." When you have that conversation you should, if he's really a friend, and honest, find out if there are other things going on that don't involve you. Then you can figure out if you can deal with that.

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  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    But I don't have feelings for him! I don't!

    Sure I get burning jealousy when I think of him slipping someone else the high hard one, but that doesn't mean I want him to be my boyfriend or anything!
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    That's denial.

    You have feelings for him. You may not want to have feelings for him. But you do. You feel attached, and it's totally natural when two people have sex.
    My feelings for him extend to "he's funny, fun and a good lay". End of
    Mr. Quark wrote: »
    Okay maybe there are some little, teeny-tiny feelings.
    It ain't just a river in Egypt.

    You can't ignore jealousy, just as you can't ignore any strong emotion, it just doesn't work. You get over something by dealing with it, not repressing it, and dealing with it means talking it out or expressing it in some way. Trust me, you're going to want to talk to the guy sooner rather than later, lest the whole thing blow up in your face if/when your "fears" are confirmed and someone else (or many people) is laying the pipe to your FWB.

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  • Mr. QuarkMr. Quark __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    If I talk to him I'll probably come off sounding like some fuckface control freak: "I don't want you seeing other guys! You're only allowed to sleep with me!"

    Somehow I don't think that attitude would go down well with him and may in fact hasten the end of our FWB (still dunno what that means) relationship.

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  • ElinElin Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    FWB = Friends With Benefits

    "Hey, we're having all this great sex and I don't want that to stop but I need to get some stuff clear. To make sure neither of get anything bad we need to get some communication going. I understand if you want to get your freak on but please make sure that there is always a condom involved and I'll do the same. Are you seeing anyone else right now and have they been tested recently?"

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    If you don't want to talk to him about it, and you don't want to end the relationship, then your only option is to ignore the feelings.

    Quid on
  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The issue here pretty clearly isn't protection. You don't get jealous of someone because you're worried they might be at risk for an STD.

    The thing to do is tell him you want an exclusively relationship, or at least that you want to be involved in any more experimentation that goes on.

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  • CruixCruix Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Like someone else had said, there's no strict hard and fast rules for what a friends with benefit situation is. You need to really think about how you feel about this whole situation and decide what would make you happy in it. If you don't think you can deal with him sleeping with other guys, then you have to either ignore your feelings of jealousy or talk to him about it.

    You don't have to out and out tell him about your jealousy, but even just talking to him and getting things out in the open can help. Right now you're paranoid every time you turn around, wondering if he's going something with G. You're already friends, right? So there should be no problem in just asking him if he's hooking up with this other guy. At the very least, knowing for sure will open up the doors of conversation.

    He may say no, and that's the end of things and you were worried over nothing.

    If he says yes, you can either start talking to him about it or decide how you feel about it now that you actually know for sure what's going on.

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