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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    clsCorwin wrote: »
    We have computers that run printing presses at my work that are running O/S 2. O/S 2!

    Hold your horses there. O/S 2 is not a shitty technology. It's just old. So it's a classic.

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  • ZoolanderZoolander Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    IE6
    My god

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  • clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I've never used it, so I can't vouch for shittiness or not, but thats the one and only time I've ever seen it in use. Ever.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    If we're including software in this thread, one shitty technology that needs to be buried and forgotten is gifs.. including animated gifs.

    PNG has been around since 1996 and is superior to GIF in every conceivable way. Yet IE continues to fuck it up.. basically guaranteeing it will never replace GIF.

    Animated image formats in general seem like an out of date idea, with as much computing horsepower as we have these days, we should be able to seamlessly drop in an avi or something without having to use a flash player. HTML5's <video> tag aims to fix this.. but it seems like it'll be years and years before it's reliably functional.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    If we're including software in this thread, one shitty technology that needs to be buried and forgotten is gifs.. including animated gifs.

    PNG has been around since 1996 and is superior to GIF in every conceivable way. Yet IE continues to fuck it up.. basically guaranteeing it will never replace GIF.

    Animated image formats in general seem like an out of date idea, with as much computing horsepower as we have these days, we should be able to seamlessly drop in an avi or something without having to use a flash player. HTML5's <video> tag aims to fix this.. but it seems like it'll be years and years before it's reliably functional.

    Also, GIF is synonymous with moving image, while very few people even know PNG can do that. And mass video integration is NSF56k, which does affect things. But yeah, it's a good idea to start rethinking this.

    Hell, the whole computer is a modified 1970's PC on steroids, using overly massive 1980s programming. We honestly just need to redesign the computer from scratch, rewrite the operating system as we know it, and go from there.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Animated image formats in general seem like an out of date idea

    So outdated that the most advanced browsers all recently adopted animated PNGs! Where recently is defined as within the last 6 months.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    PNG's are fucking huge though.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    edited September 2009
    I am kind of curious how big an h264, 320x200, no audiostream file would be, if compressed well.

    I can't imagine too huge.

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  • travathiantravathian Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mice with balls.
    Fax machines.
    Floppy drives and motherboards that expect one to do a BIOS update.
    Incredibly inefficient AC/DC adapters.
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    syndalis wrote: »
    I am kind of curious how big an h264, 320x200, no audiostream file would be, if compressed well.

    I can't imagine too huge.

    It depends a bunch of factors but generally it's about 10% smaller then the same size MPEG-4 depending on the codec. But it's much harder on the computer on the client end. So a page full of them might be a big problem on a slower machine.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    travathian wrote: »
    Mice with balls.
    Fax machines.
    Floppy drives and motherboards that expect one to do a BIOS update.
    Incredibly inefficient AC/DC adapters.
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles
    This.
    Can we please kill the transformer already? There is absolutely no reason anyone's laptop needs a power brick that weighs more than it.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Jasconius wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Animated image formats in general seem like an out of date idea

    So outdated that the most advanced browsers all recently adopted animated PNGs! Where recently is defined as within the last 6 months.

    But the concept itself was to allow for animations in an era when computers couldn't even render SD quality video. Now that we all have quad core 2 duo dual core quad duo processors, animated image formats seem like a pretty stale idea.

    Just because browsers are only now implementing mpng doesn't make the idea any better.

    And I say it's time to bury all the 56k modem bullcrap. If some poor bastard is still out there on dialup, he can simply elect to not download huge files.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    Mice with balls.
    Fax machines.
    Floppy drives and motherboards that expect one to do a BIOS update.
    Incredibly inefficient AC/DC adapters.
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles
    This.
    Can we please kill the transformer already? There is absolutely no reason anyone's laptop needs a power brick that weighs more than it.
    Actually there is, because the laptop only needs a 12 volt DC connection (or therebouts). No power grid on the planet provides this from a wall outlet.

    This means the problem is not the power brick.. it's that we're powering our homes with standards developed when modern devices weren't even conceived as possible.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    travathian wrote: »
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles

    So wrong here.

    Batteries still suck.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    travathian wrote: »
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles

    So wrong here.

    Batteries still suck.

    And engines sound awesome.

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  • logic7logic7 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Serial ports - a necessity, yet most laptops and desktops don't have them anymore. When I'm trying to configure a switch or a PIX, we have old-ass laptops specifically for their serial ports. It's old, but there's good reason for ti to be around.

    Land lines - I just got a landline back about 9 months ago. After having IP based service through the cable company, and seeing it go down whenever the service was out in my area, we figured it's time to go back to old reliable.

    56K modems - when the cable goes out, guess what still works for internet access? We keep an account with a local dial-up ISP for this very reason.

    Floppies - do you realize that you can probably grab a floppy you created back in the 80's and have it still work now? Magnetic media will always outlive optical. It's slow, but it has it's purpose. Granted, I have one, but I use Zip disks in parallel for archiving larger crucial stuff.

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  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yea, a lot of shitty tech is still around because of reliability. When all else fails the old tech can often still work.

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  • travathiantravathian Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles

    So wrong here.

    Batteries still suck.

    And engines sound awesome.

    Batteries still suck because of politics and greed, not because the technology is inferior. Had we instituted a 1% tax on oil 50 years ago to fund battery research we'd all be driving electric cars. The ICE is grossly inefficient. Compare it to any other device you own and you'll be appalled.

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  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    travathian wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles

    So wrong here.

    Batteries still suck.

    And engines sound awesome.

    Batteries still suck because of politics and greed, not because the technology is inferior. Had we instituted a 1% tax on oil 50 years ago to fund battery research we'd all be driving electric cars. The ICE is grossly inefficient. Compare it to any other device you own and you'll be appalled.

    So then the technology is in fact currently inferior. Its inferior because of politics and greed, but still inferior.

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  • travathiantravathian Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Batteries suck, but they are still more efficient than the ICE. They suck because they still have a huge room for improvement.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Internal combustion is inefficient? It's probably the safest and cheapest method of producing power that mankind has ever discovered. It completely revolutionized the way we live.

    I'm aware internal combustion is not super efficient, a lot of the energy produced by combustion gets lost as heat, but the energy we do get out of it is still pretty amazing. It allows a single truck to tow several tons of goods to any point you can locate on a map.

    Only thing that will topple it is the planet running out of oil. A number of new technologies are poised to replace it, but as we stand right now, if oil were to disappear overnight, there is absolutely nothing available that could fill the void. Society would quite literally collapse.

    Even with billions of dollars dumped into research, I don't think batteries would be able to compete with internal combustion. A battery is still reliant on a power plant somewhere to provide a charge, and the chemicals used to make them function incur an environmental hazard that's at least as significant as what a oil burning car creates.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The big problem with batteries is also sticker shock. a large battery pack for an electric car costs a lot of money up front, but actually will cost less than gasoline over the life of a vehicle, even more so when gasoline costs will go up again, and it will go up again.

    Back to the topic at hand, a shitty technology that I'd love to never see again is bluetooth. It'll never happen, at least, not any time soon, but my god I hate bluetooth, and i use it almost every day. I have a bluetooth headset that I use all the time, and while I love the fuck out of the thing the bluetooth connection it relies on makes me want to kick a puppy. My keyboard and mouse at work are bluetooth, and 3-4x a day it just stops working for about 30 seconds.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    kdrudy wrote: »
    Yea, a lot of shitty tech is still around because of reliability. When all else fails the old tech can often still work.

    And some of it is easier to deal with. Take a look at the much hated fax machine. They tend to be extremely easy to set up and it can be supported by non-technical people. A small retail business is unlikely to have the in house skills to set up a MFP and make it work seamlessly with Outlook.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    wunderbar wrote: »
    The big problem with batteries is also sticker shock. a large battery pack for an electric car costs a lot of money up front, but actually will cost less than gasoline over the life of a vehicle, even more so when gasoline costs will go up again, and it will go up again.

    Yeah, but you'll still have to pay to charge those batteries.

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  • AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    wunderbar wrote: »
    The big problem with batteries is also sticker shock. a large battery pack for an electric car costs a lot of money up front, but actually will cost less than gasoline over the life of a vehicle, even more so when gasoline costs will go up again, and it will go up again.

    Yeah, but you'll still have to pay to charge those batteries.

    True, but it's something like .70 cents on the dollar compared to gas. I forget how much "gas" was in this study. Still, it's cheaper than gasoline.

    My main concern with batteries is range/recharging. I think currently the best batteries have a range of about 200 some miles. Which is pretty good I suppose, not as good as some normal cars though. If I am on a long road trip, how long will it take my batteries to recharge when they run low?

    edit- Or was it something like .70 cents per "gallon" compared to gas?

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  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    My town, being wealthier than it knows what to do with, now has all Dodge Charger police cars.

    And a Mobile Command Unit. For our 8,000 person town. That's 10 minutes from the largest city in RI.

    They look like
    1165469667-USA_Dodge_Charger_Police-L.jpg
    but without the stupid licensing.

    Edit: And actually, the lights are all on the inside of the car, top and bottom of the windshield along with some others on the front. They're pretty unobtrusive when turned off, making it a lot less cop-car looking at a glance.

    I'll see your Police Charger and raise you a Police Lamborghini
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  • AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Melkster wrote: »
    My town, being wealthier than it knows what to do with, now has all Dodge Charger police cars.

    And a Mobile Command Unit. For our 8,000 person town. That's 10 minutes from the largest city in RI.

    They look like
    1165469667-USA_Dodge_Charger_Police-L.jpg
    but without the stupid licensing.

    Edit: And actually, the lights are all on the inside of the car, top and bottom of the windshield along with some others on the front. They're pretty unobtrusive when turned off, making it a lot less cop-car looking at a glance.

    I'll see your Police Charger and raise you a Police Lamborghini
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    To balance the Euro.
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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    logic7 wrote: »

    Floppies - do you realize that you can probably grab a floppy you created back in the 80's and have it still work now? Magnetic media will always outlive optical. It's slow, but it has it's purpose. Granted, I have one, but I use Zip disks in parallel for archiving larger crucial stuff.
    I realize I can grab a floppy created anywhere from the mid nineties to early 2000's that sat on a shelf in a normal office and find that if it can even be read on the first computer I put it in, it will probably be corrupted and say it needs formatting by the time I put it in the next computer a 30 second walk away.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    logic7 wrote: »

    Floppies - do you realize that you can probably grab a floppy you created back in the 80's and have it still work now? Magnetic media will always outlive optical. It's slow, but it has it's purpose. Granted, I have one, but I use Zip disks in parallel for archiving larger crucial stuff.
    I realize I can grab a floppy created anywhere from the mid nineties to early 2000's that sat on a shelf in a normal office and find that if it can even be read on the first computer I put it in, it will probably be corrupted and say it needs formatting by the time I put it in the next computer a 30 second walk away.

    That's if the first drive doesn't destroy the disk upon insertion/spinup due to the layers of dust, cobwebs, and spider corpses in the drive. :P

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    logic7 wrote: »

    Floppies - do you realize that you can probably grab a floppy you created back in the 80's and have it still work now? Magnetic media will always outlive optical. It's slow, but it has it's purpose. Granted, I have one, but I use Zip disks in parallel for archiving larger crucial stuff.
    I realize I can grab a floppy created anywhere from the mid nineties to early 2000's that sat on a shelf in a normal office and find that if it can even be read on the first computer I put it in, it will probably be corrupted and say it needs formatting by the time I put it in the next computer a 30 second walk away.

    That's if the first drive doesn't destroy the disk upon insertion/spinup due to the layers of dust, cobwebs, and spider corpses in the drive. :P

    Old floppies are actually more reliable than newer ones. Towards the end of the floppy's production cycle, build quality got EXTREMELY poor. I was still using my old windows 3.11 install disks up until a few years ago, because all the newer disks I got my hands on had a really bad habit of getting bad sectors as soon as you tried to write to them.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    logic7 wrote: »

    Floppies - do you realize that you can probably grab a floppy you created back in the 80's and have it still work now? Magnetic media will always outlive optical. It's slow, but it has it's purpose. Granted, I have one, but I use Zip disks in parallel for archiving larger crucial stuff.
    I realize I can grab a floppy created anywhere from the mid nineties to early 2000's that sat on a shelf in a normal office and find that if it can even be read on the first computer I put it in, it will probably be corrupted and say it needs formatting by the time I put it in the next computer a 30 second walk away.

    That's if the first drive doesn't destroy the disk upon insertion/spinup due to the layers of dust, cobwebs, and spider corpses in the drive. :P

    Old floppies are actually more reliable than newer ones. Towards the end of the floppy's production cycle, build quality got EXTREMELY poor. I was still using my old windows 3.11 install disks up until a few years ago, because all the newer disks I got my hands on had a really bad habit of getting bad sectors as soon as you tried to write to them.

    I still have a pack of circa 1995 disks that seem to be holding up just fine. As a side project I was recovering a laptop drive with Win95 and those disks came in quite handy.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    Mice with balls.
    Fax machines.
    Floppy drives and motherboards that expect one to do a BIOS update.
    Incredibly inefficient AC/DC adapters.
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles
    This.
    Can we please kill the transformer already? There is absolutely no reason anyone's laptop needs a power brick that weighs more than it.
    Actually there is, because the laptop only needs a 12 volt DC connection (or therebouts). No power grid on the planet provides this from a wall outlet.

    This means the problem is not the power brick.. it's that we're powering our homes with standards developed when modern devices weren't even conceived as possible.

    Uh, no. My DS only needs 5.2V and the power supply I use for it takes anything between 110 and 240 volts and down-converts it without the need for a massively overweight lump of iron. The problem is clearly the power brick.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Animated image formats in general seem like an out of date idea

    So outdated that the most advanced browsers all recently adopted animated PNGs! Where recently is defined as within the last 6 months.

    But the concept itself was to allow for animations in an era when computers couldn't even render SD quality video. Now that we all have quad core 2 duo dual core quad duo processors, animated image formats seem like a pretty stale idea.

    Just because browsers are only now implementing mpng doesn't make the idea any better.

    And I say it's time to bury all the 56k modem bullcrap. If some poor bastard is still out there on dialup, he can simply elect to not download huge files.

    Actually it's extremely easy to cap out a modern processor with PNG's if you do enough layering, alpha channels, and tweening. This is because, generally speaking, there are no widely pervasive radically optimized 2D rendering engines in use.

    Also, video isn't quite to the point where you can just sling it around at will. It'll take another couple of years for that technology to mature.

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Animated images are still useful, if only because they are lighter on bandwidth than Flash video or whatever. Anyway, my crappy CPU chugs on Flash, and I really don't want it everywhere because of that

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    Mice with balls.
    Fax machines.
    Floppy drives and motherboards that expect one to do a BIOS update.
    Incredibly inefficient AC/DC adapters.
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles
    This.
    Can we please kill the transformer already? There is absolutely no reason anyone's laptop needs a power brick that weighs more than it.
    Actually there is, because the laptop only needs a 12 volt DC connection (or therebouts). No power grid on the planet provides this from a wall outlet.

    This means the problem is not the power brick.. it's that we're powering our homes with standards developed when modern devices weren't even conceived as possible.

    Uh, no. My DS only needs 5.2V and the power supply I use for it takes anything between 110 and 240 volts and down-converts it without the need for a massively overweight lump of iron. The problem is clearly the power brick.

    That would be because your DS draws ~100mA and a laptop draws ~3.5 amps.

    Remember, volts = pressure, amps = flow.

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Here's another one: Strategy Guides.

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    Seriously, why are these still around? There isn't a gamer in the world who hasn't heard of GameFAQ, or at least Google. Hell, today's consoles let you browse the internet with them, and the day they allow you to browse the internet while playing a game, the age of strategy guides should come to an end. The trees will thank you.

    Now, if the guide also functioned as an artbook, or had some other neat bonuses included, then I could see the appeal. One of my favorites was Ninja Gaiden II (the NES one, not the Tits and Gore one), which included a comic adaption of the whole story sandwiched between the pages (I think it was a Hong Kong comic, if my memory of the artstyle is accurate).

    Other than that, yeah, we really don't need strategy guides anymore.

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  • shadydentistshadydentist Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    Mice with balls.
    Fax machines.
    Floppy drives and motherboards that expect one to do a BIOS update.
    Incredibly inefficient AC/DC adapters.
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles
    This.
    Can we please kill the transformer already? There is absolutely no reason anyone's laptop needs a power brick that weighs more than it.
    Actually there is, because the laptop only needs a 12 volt DC connection (or therebouts). No power grid on the planet provides this from a wall outlet.

    This means the problem is not the power brick.. it's that we're powering our homes with standards developed when modern devices weren't even conceived as possible.

    Uh, no. My DS only needs 5.2V and the power supply I use for it takes anything between 110 and 240 volts and down-converts it without the need for a massively overweight lump of iron. The problem is clearly the power brick.

    A few things:

    Effectively all consumer electronics run on direct current (DC) electricity, which requires a steady low voltage. Effectively all power distribution uses alternating current (AC) electricity, which gives you a fluctuating sinusoidal voltage. To convert from AC to DC power, there are inevitably losses.

    However... AC power is much more efficient in transferring large amounts of electricity, which is why we use it. DC power distribution actually came first, but was supplanted by AC power because of those issues.

    The power brick your laptop connects to is not a transformer. It is a AC to DC converter. A well-designed AC/DC converter can be fairly efficient, but the small ones with the converter built directly into the plug tend to be very inefficient.

    A transformer is literally two coils of wire wound around a piece of iron, or other ferromagnetic core. They tend to be very efficient.

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    travathian wrote: »
    Mice with balls.
    Fax machines.
    Floppy drives and motherboards that expect one to do a BIOS update.
    Incredibly inefficient AC/DC adapters.
    Internal Combustion engine in consumer vehicles
    This.
    Can we please kill the transformer already? There is absolutely no reason anyone's laptop needs a power brick that weighs more than it.
    Actually there is, because the laptop only needs a 12 volt DC connection (or therebouts). No power grid on the planet provides this from a wall outlet.

    This means the problem is not the power brick.. it's that we're powering our homes with standards developed when modern devices weren't even conceived as possible.

    Uh, no. My DS only needs 5.2V and the power supply I use for it takes anything between 110 and 240 volts and down-converts it without the need for a massively overweight lump of iron. The problem is clearly the power brick.

    A few things:

    Effectively all consumer electronics run on direct current (DC) electricity, which requires a steady low voltage. Effectively all power distribution uses alternating current (AC) electricity, which gives you a fluctuating sinusoidal voltage. To convert from AC to DC power, there are inevitably losses.

    However... AC power is much more efficient in transferring large amounts of electricity, which is why we use it. DC power distribution actually came first, but was supplanted by AC power because of those issues.

    The power brick your laptop connects to is not a transformer. It is a AC to DC converter. A well-designed AC/DC converter can be fairly efficient, but the small ones with the converter built directly into the plug tend to be very inefficient.

    A transformer is literally two coils of wire wound around a piece of iron, or other ferromagnetic core. They tend to be very efficient.

    Well, if we can't get rid of the things already, can we at least seperate them from the plug? I have about 20 things in this house that have giant bricks that plug right into the wall and eat a whole outlet , unless you want to plug them in upside down and possibly rip the socket out of the wall

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Portable device chargers that aren't mini-usb

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Portable device chargers that aren't mini-usb

    The NDS can kiss my ass for making a mini-sub style plug that isn't actually the same size as a mini-usb plug. Seriously, fuck you right up the pooper Nintendo.

    I found a usb cable with an NDS-sized plug on one end, and my laptop charges the DS with it just fine. The only reasonable conclusion to make is that Nintendo were being douches and didn't want people to use any old usb cable.

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