You really cared SO much about core leather that you stopped a raid for an entire hour? Your guild must have loved that
ps: free for all.
More that I had difficulty believing someone could reach max level and not know how to right click on a dead body
Which reminds me of Shade of Aran. "Whatever you do, when he casts flame wreath DO NOT MOVE!" Oh, how many of us found out that "do not touch keyboard" was a complicated request.
Ony is about coordination? I'm pretty sure my guild fucked around in both the 10 and 25 last night and both were one shotted. It's not exactly a difficult fight. It's about as hard as Jaraxxus.
I think that my favorite thing about Onyxia is that it shows how the exact same mechanics that were a retarded vanilla fight can be used to make a fun fight.
The original 40 man was based on the incompetence of a giant herd of cats and people having poor gear.
The new 10-25 man is about actual coordination.
Phase 3 is still fucking stupid.
The fear is absolutely bullshit but it's still a fun fight.
Also bullshit: A big add spawning when Ony lands.
It's not difficult or anything like that, it's just stupid. Uninspired. A flawed mechanic from when they didn't know their own game. Periodic raidwide fears don't add anything to a fight, just make it annoying.
For your guild maybe? For the average pug, looking at which way the dragon's mouth is pointing is complicated.
ie. half my raid dieing to deep breath and we ended up doing phase 3 with 1 healer 1 tank and 2 dps.
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We went in with a raid of primarily alts and new people in our 10 man. 8 of us just knew the fight from vanilla, and of that 8 only 4-5 of us remembered it at all.
It took us about 4-5 tries to get it down, but that was with figuring out the strategy on the fly (HOLY SHIT MANY WHELPS) and bullshit spawns (Onyxia is landing and...a warder spawned. Onyxia is landing, the warder is about to die and...the whelps have spawned again)
When we killed Ony we got the deep breath achievement.
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I do like the change they made to deep breath, but people tend to suck at Felmyst so reusing the mechanic is probably going to hurt a lot of people
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I do like the change they made to deep breath, but people tend to suck at Felmyst so reusing the mechanic is probably going to hurt a lot of people
That's probably my favorite change. Especially since they made her hover instead of soar, so you can actually see where she is with little effort.
I imagine that if we took our 'A team' in, it'd be a pretty simple one shot just because of how quickly things would die, but it's still a fun fight, especially since they just reused the exact mechanics of her vanilla fight.
(Even the major add spawn is a throwback to the warder randomly deciding to join the fight)
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We had one person who hadn't done Onyxia before ever...it was weird.
Went in there and one shot, though. We knew about the big add from people talking about it in general chat, but the whelps were a welcome surprise. I am a very big fan of knives, you see.
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More that I had difficulty believing someone could reach max level and not know how to right click on a dead body
Which reminds me of Shade of Aran. "Whatever you do, when he casts flame wreath DO NOT MOVE!" Oh, how many of us found out that "do not touch keyboard" was a complicated request.
Man, no matter how many times we did Aran (and GOD did we do that fight a lot with all the times we ran Kara), there was never a point that my stomach didn't knot up whenever he cast Flame Wreath. Even towards the end of TBC when we were just running it for badges and everyone vastly outgeared the joint it was always a tense situation.
Only ever got blown up once though, to be fair.
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edited September 2009
I only ever saw one person trigger the flame wreath, and he was a really good feral druid, so I didn't make a big deal about it.
I'm very glad that I never had to raid with the kind of people who can't understand when they shouldn't stop the keyboard stutter-step.
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We had one person who hadn't done Onyxia before ever...it was weird.
Went in there and one shot, though. We knew about the big add from people talking about it in general chat, but the whelps were a welcome surprise. I am a very big fan of knives, you see.
We went in with 4 people including myself having ever done Onyxia in Vanilla WoW. So trying to explain to 6 other people, STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE HEAD AND TAIL, was...I just don't even know anymore.
"Stay way from the tail, move closer"
/tard takes a step to the left
"No dammit, closer to the rest of us"
/tard taks a step backward
"motherfuck, stand over here on top of..
/tard gets tailwhipped into whelps, proceeds to walk back to the same spot he was at
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There are so many "this dragon cleaves and tail swipe" fights I really don't understand how you could not be familiar with the mechanic.
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I have to give my guild credit there. We've got a pretty wide mix of serious casual and casual casual, with a number of people who aren't that good but who are good friends. Our progression has been slow and inconsistent at times perhaps, but at least we didn't blow up on Aran.
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There are so many "this dragon cleaves and tail swipe" fights I really don't understand how you could not be familiar with the mechanic.
If you didn't raid vanilla, then you wouldn't have seen many.
Hell, Malygos doesn't have those issues at all. And Sarth doesn't really cleave (I don't think?) and is set-up by the tank so that he can't physically tailswipe the raid.
If you did basic TBC raiding you'd see what, Netherspite? The dragon at the end of kara? I don't know if either cleaved, and the tailswipe of the bone dragon was mainly a tank problem, positioning the dragon like Sarth.
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Consequently, I saw a lot of people who would blow up the raid on Shade of Aran.
I also saw a lot of good players not blow up the raid, but it only took one "bad" to shit on an attempt or three.
One of my pet peeves are people who melee targets from the front. Let's ignore the parry-haste which may or may not exist (or matter) in your average 5 man.
You're doing less damage from in front.
It's really not a hard thing to find or figure out.
But to this day, people still do it. I was partied in Violet Hold with a rogue and DK who both DPS'd from the front constantly.
Drove me up the wall, until I asked them politely to attack the mobs from behind.
The DK listened. The rogue erroded my faith in humanity a little.
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There are so many "this dragon cleaves and tail swipe" fights I really don't understand how you could not be familiar with the mechanic.
If you didn't raid vanilla, then you wouldn't have seen many.
Hell, Malygos doesn't have those issues at all. And Sarth doesn't really cleave (I don't think?) and is set-up by the tank so that he can't physically tailswipe the raid.
If you did basic TBC raiding you'd see what, Netherspite? The dragon at the end of kara? I don't know if either cleaved, and the tailswipe of the bone dragon was mainly a tank problem, positioning the dragon like Sarth.
The dragon boss in Nexus does both, I think. Also Sapphiron.
ony 25 seems to be a noob magnet.
I did ony10 with a great group about 10 minutes after the server was up after the update, and we did "dots, more dots" and "I think she does that more often since the patch" in the same run.
I tried ony25 3 times, and EVERY TIME some fucker gets kicked into the welps or 75% of the raid seem to like deep breath too much
The undead dragon in Naxx has a cleave and a tail swipe. Anub has a cleave.
I don't think Razorscale, Sarth or Malygos do, though.
There's a simple rule for any and all dragonfights: Stay away from the tail and the face.
If Blizzard really wants to fuck with it's old school player base, they should make a fight where standing on a dragon's face or tail is the correct thing to do.
Look, I'm in a guild where we can still wipe on Thaddius because someone who's even done the thing before cant figure out 'we run clockwise, run fucking clockwise' So nothing is really a surprise to me anymore.
Yet we never blew up a Flame Wreath, go figure.
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Razorscale doesn't have a tail swipe. He has a wing buffet that knocks everyone away when he goes to take off.
You're right, I think that's what I was thinking of when I thought she had a tail swipe. Also she's a proto-drake, so she doesn't technically go into the dragon category.
Razorscale doesn't have a tail swipe. He has a wing buffet that knocks everyone away when he goes to take off.
You're right, I think that's what I was thinking of when I thought she had a tail swipe. Also she's a proto-drake, so she doesn't technically go into the dragon category.
i mean she really doesn't have as much of a tail as other dragons anyway
Malygos is also a 'Caster' Dragon, so he tends to not have as many Physical abilities. Obviously standing in front of him is still terribad due to his significant breath weapon.
Keristraza I believe has the tail swipe/cleave, but the Dragon at the end of VH also doesn't (I think it may be a Blue Flight thing.)
Even without a cleave the dragons will breathe on you if you're in front. So really, the only dragon you fight where you can afford to not attack from the flanks is Malygos, and then still never in front.
Consequently, I saw a lot of people who would blow up the raid on Shade of Aran.
I also saw a lot of good players not blow up the raid, but it only took one "bad" to shit on an attempt or three.
One of my pet peeves are people who melee targets from the front. Let's ignore the parry-haste which may or may not exist (or matter) in your average 5 man.
You're doing less damage from in front.
It's really not a hard thing to find or figure out.
But to this day, people still do it. I was partied in Violet Hold with a rogue and DK who both DPS'd from the front constantly.
Drove me up the wall, until I asked them politely to attack the mobs from behind.
The DK listened. The rogue erroded my faith in humanity a little.
Wait what? Rogues love to be behind things. I mean, how much of their life is spent looking at mob ass? I hate this person.
I heard that half a ton of people just got their accounts banned due to using the unlimited Direbrew summon exploit. I heard the process explained over trade channel last night. Glad I didn't partake. Ha.
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edited September 2009
Unlimited direbrew summon exploit?
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Apparently you could pull some fancy footwork by using a Death Gate to leave the zone after starting the event, before the guy is actually aggroed. A Warlock then ports the DK back in afterwards to repeat the process.
So wait, the DK insults direbrew, deathgates outta dodge, rest of group kills him but the DK's summon didn't count so he gets to do it again?
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I have never understood the logic behind doing something like that. Unless you've been playing the game for all of five minutes you must know that shit like that will get you banned. Why even bother?
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More that I had difficulty believing someone could reach max level and not know how to right click on a dead body
Which reminds me of Shade of Aran. "Whatever you do, when he casts flame wreath DO NOT MOVE!" Oh, how many of us found out that "do not touch keyboard" was a complicated request.
It's not difficult or anything like that, it's just stupid. Uninspired. A flawed mechanic from when they didn't know their own game. Periodic raidwide fears don't add anything to a fight, just make it annoying.
ie. half my raid dieing to deep breath and we ended up doing phase 3 with 1 healer 1 tank and 2 dps.
It took us about 4-5 tries to get it down, but that was with figuring out the strategy on the fly (HOLY SHIT MANY WHELPS) and bullshit spawns (Onyxia is landing and...a warder spawned. Onyxia is landing, the warder is about to die and...the whelps have spawned again)
When we killed Ony we got the deep breath achievement.
That's probably my favorite change. Especially since they made her hover instead of soar, so you can actually see where she is with little effort.
I imagine that if we took our 'A team' in, it'd be a pretty simple one shot just because of how quickly things would die, but it's still a fun fight, especially since they just reused the exact mechanics of her vanilla fight.
(Even the major add spawn is a throwback to the warder randomly deciding to join the fight)
Went in there and one shot, though. We knew about the big add from people talking about it in general chat, but the whelps were a welcome surprise. I am a very big fan of knives, you see.
Only ever got blown up once though, to be fair.
I'm very glad that I never had to raid with the kind of people who can't understand when they shouldn't stop the keyboard stutter-step.
We went in with 4 people including myself having ever done Onyxia in Vanilla WoW. So trying to explain to 6 other people, STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE HEAD AND TAIL, was...I just don't even know anymore.
"Stay way from the tail, move closer"
/tard takes a step to the left
"No dammit, closer to the rest of us"
/tard taks a step backward
"motherfuck, stand over here on top of..
/tard gets tailwhipped into whelps, proceeds to walk back to the same spot he was at
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If you didn't raid vanilla, then you wouldn't have seen many.
Hell, Malygos doesn't have those issues at all. And Sarth doesn't really cleave (I don't think?) and is set-up by the tank so that he can't physically tailswipe the raid.
If you did basic TBC raiding you'd see what, Netherspite? The dragon at the end of kara? I don't know if either cleaved, and the tailswipe of the bone dragon was mainly a tank problem, positioning the dragon like Sarth.
Consequently, I saw a lot of people who would blow up the raid on Shade of Aran.
I also saw a lot of good players not blow up the raid, but it only took one "bad" to shit on an attempt or three.
One of my pet peeves are people who melee targets from the front. Let's ignore the parry-haste which may or may not exist (or matter) in your average 5 man.
You're doing less damage from in front.
It's really not a hard thing to find or figure out.
But to this day, people still do it. I was partied in Violet Hold with a rogue and DK who both DPS'd from the front constantly.
Drove me up the wall, until I asked them politely to attack the mobs from behind.
The DK listened. The rogue erroded my faith in humanity a little.
The dragon boss in Nexus does both, I think. Also Sapphiron.
I did ony10 with a great group about 10 minutes after the server was up after the update, and we did "dots, more dots" and "I think she does that more often since the patch" in the same run.
I tried ony25 3 times, and EVERY TIME some fucker gets kicked into the welps or 75% of the raid seem to like deep breath too much
I don't think Razorscale, Sarth or Malygos do, though.
There's a simple rule for any and all dragonfights: Stay away from the tail and the face.
If Blizzard really wants to fuck with it's old school player base, they should make a fight where standing on a dragon's face or tail is the correct thing to do.
Well, maybe a cleave, I'm not sure. I kinda doubt it though.
I totally forgot about her frontal cleave ;( Next attempt was smooth as butter though of course
Yet we never blew up a Flame Wreath, go figure.
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i mean she really doesn't have as much of a tail as other dragons anyway
Wing Buffet is more a drake move than a dragon move though. A ton of drakes have wing buffet but the dragons don't.
I just argued with myself.
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Keristraza I believe has the tail swipe/cleave, but the Dragon at the end of VH also doesn't (I think it may be a Blue Flight thing.)
Wait what? Rogues love to be behind things. I mean, how much of their life is spent looking at mob ass? I hate this person.
buy warhams
Our guild seemed to have a competition to see who could kill the most people with flame wreath after the boss was dead.
I am a freaking nerd.
Apparently you could pull some fancy footwork by using a Death Gate to leave the zone after starting the event, before the guy is actually aggroed. A Warlock then ports the DK back in afterwards to repeat the process.
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