Trinkets were/are my last priority for gearing up, so I really haven't done much research into what I should be using, so all of these suggestions are awesome. What are my other options?
I was also looking at the Anvil of Titans. It's a PVP trinket, but the proc looks awesome.
In fact, any advice would be awesome. This is my first character. Yeah, there's a lot of PVP gear on me that I'm slowly replacing.
This is the one I use for my DPS set. This assumes you don't really need much Hit rating anymore, which you shouldn't. Just check off the boxes above to match the content you are in and your professions vs mine.
Not sure I agree with a negative value for ArP. I sure as hell don't aim for it, but I wouldn't downplay a great piece just cause it has it (look at what your rankings does to Might of the Ocean Serpent, for example).
I would actually argue that the cloaks listed above Might of the Ocean Serpent are better than it. You'll note that there are cloaks that are higher that have Armor Pen. If you factor out the heroic mode cloaks, there's only 3? that are better than it, Shawl of Nerubian Silk, Recovered Scarlet Onslaught Cloak and Saronite Gargoyle. (woops factored out 25 man regulars too, but I usually don't run those)
My basis for the negative rating of armor pen is that it only aids your basic attacks and nothing else. I don't aim for it ever, but if it happens to be on a piece that has other beneficial stats, great. . . maybe you could change that from -0.5 to 0 if you like, but overall I've found using this ranking system works well for me. I've yet to join a run where I wasn't within the top 3 using this list.
Yeah, it was a typo in the original post. I have been using Judgement of Light. I have tried switching to Wisdom, but with the trinkets, I'm going to stick with Light until I win the Needle-Encrusted Scorpion or something else nice.
ew ew ew ew. Why would you go for Armor Pen as a paladin, it only helps your auto attacks.
Actually, it affects crusader strike and divine storm as well. The problem is that less than half your damage typically comes from auto, CS, and DS.
far far less than half actually. and woops forgot about CS and DS, I keep thinking they're "spells" regardless Armor Pen sucks balls for Ret compared to other stats like Haste, Crit, Hit, Expertise etc.
only time I have mana issues as ret is if i am constantly keeping up consecration. If I only do it once in a while I don't think I would have a mana issue.
Yeah and with 2pc T10 I'm actually using consecrate and Exorcism both a lot less, so even though I have times of DS spam, I'm still well into the mana positive in a raid situation. 5-mans till they fix the bug with the set bonus are a massive mana drain however.
Ret 2pc T10 is proccing off the seal of command cleave procs, when it is only supposed to proc off melee swings. So with 3+ mobs in range, it has a 90% chance to proc every time you melee.
I would actually argue that the cloaks listed above Might of the Ocean Serpent are better than it. You'll note that there are cloaks that are higher that have Armor Pen. If you factor out the heroic mode cloaks, there's only 3? that are better than it, Shawl of Nerubian Silk, Recovered Scarlet Onslaught Cloak and Saronite Gargoyle. (woops factored out 25 man regulars too, but I usually don't run those)
Upon further evaluation, I think I see why certain cloaks do get higher on the list: Your Agi weight. I don't run lootrank that high on Agi myself, hence why your list had me quite perplexed. Noticing that cleared it right up for me though.
Ret 2pc T10 is proccing off the seal of command cleave procs, when it is only supposed to proc off melee swings. So with 3+ mobs in range, it has a 90% chance to proc every time you melee.
Ha! I thought it was proc'ing a whole helluva lot more than it should've for trash. Good to know it wasn't my imagination.
So last night a friend of mine and I tanked Ony-10. I ended up getting the head, and chose the tank trinket.
I couldn't decide if I should replace my Brewfest trinket (+130-something STA?) or my Black Heart from HToC? Any thoughts on this? I don't have all the info/stats right now, but if you can access the armory, I'm wearing the Ony trinket now in my sig
1 point of strength gives 1/2 attack power, right? Some quick math makes these two sound roughly equal, unless I have the math way off.
edit: I think the cloak would be more of an upgrade, so I'll just save up a few more days for that.
Libram of Three Truths is actually light years better than the Deadly Libram. Strength gives us ~2.2 atk per point, not .5
The Libram of Three Truths however is NOT worth the emblem investment. If you are ret, just go ahead and save up to get t10 pieces and buy the Libram of Valiance from the Triumph vendor for single target dps, and keep using the Deadly Libram when you are on trash or pvp'ing.
So last night a friend of mine and I tanked Ony-10. I ended up getting the head, and chose the tank trinket.
I couldn't decide if I should replace my Brewfest trinket (+130-something STA?) or my Black Heart from HToC? Any thoughts on this? I don't have all the info/stats right now, but if you can access the armory, I'm wearing the Ony trinket now in my sig
Forgot I could check my Mobile Armory:
If you had to pick two of these trinkets, what would you pick?
Purified Onyxia Blood Talisman
+15 Fire Resist
+69 Defense Rating
+108 Parry Rating
+101 HP per 5
The Black Heart
+126 Stamina
Equip: Chance to gain 7056 armor for 10 sec when hit
Brewfest Charm
+170 Stamina
As much as I love stamina... I'm starting to think that dropping the Brewfest charm is best.
Unless you would be under defense cap without the Ony trinket, there is no reason to equip it over either of the stam trinkets. Carry it in your bags for certain gearsets, but losing 2k health for a couple percent of parry is not really worthwhile.
of those two choices I'd go Black Heart and Brewfest.
The only time I would consider doing otherwise is if I were a Paladin that was well geared to boot. They stack so much health that you could probably drop the black heart for the Ony trinket and be better for it.
DKs(Especially Blood), Warriors, and Druids(I believe) need to stack Effective Health like its going out of style (which it isn't).
I'm leveling my pally (35 atm) and I tried to tank for the first time last night. I was really nervous about trying to tank as ret spec, but I was well above everyone on Omen the whole dungeon, as the lowest level guy. Obviously, Seal of Command helps compensate for the like of prot abilities, but the question I have is, how long will I be able to get away with not buying dual spec if I want to tank instances as I level?
Now that the SoC + 2-piece T10 bug is fixed (according to EJ anyway, I haven't tested), Libram of Three Truths is pretty nice to have. It's a huge upgrade for Putricide phases 1 and 2, and is definitely worth the cost since it noticeably increases dps for Deathwhisper/Gunship as well, and will probably stay stacked for all of Saurfang/Festergut/possibly Rotface. Personally I've not got much else to grab with badges, as I'm using 2-piece 258 T9 and a 258 offspec piece in my non-T10 slots, and Hekuml War Token doesn't appeal since there are so many equivalent or better trinkets in ICC.
On that note, hope they don't nerf Tiny Abomination in a Jar too much, it's currently amazing and we won't have to fight warriors/DKs/hunters for it either unlike DBW/Death's Verdict/Choice.
I donno. Pre BC you can slap on a shield and a one-hander and go for it. In BC you'll probably want some tank gear. Somewhere in mid-Wrath you might find yourself wanting actual tank abilities. I know a blood DK in a leveling dps spec can tank all the way to 80. I've never tried it on a pally. Righteous Fury is ballin' though.
Now that the SoC + 2-piece T10 bug is fixed (according to EJ anyway, I haven't tested), Libram of Three Truths is pretty nice to have. It's a huge upgrade for Putricide phases 1 and 2, and is definitely worth the cost since it noticeably increases dps for Deathwhisper/Gunship as well, and will probably stay stacked for all of Saurfang/Festergut/possibly Rotface. Personally I've not got much else to grab with badges, as I'm using 2-piece 258 T9 and a 258 offspec piece in my non-T10 slots, and Hekuml War Token doesn't appeal since there are so many equivalent or better trinkets in ICC.
On that note, hope they don't nerf Tiny Abomination in a Jar too much, it's currently amazing and we won't have to fight warriors/DKs/hunters for it either unlike DBW/Death's Verdict/Choice.
2pc bug is indeed fixed from what I've seen so far today since servers came up. I'm still not sold on the libram overall, if anything happens to lose stacks, it's a long damn buildup. The rets I've spoken with that have it all regret the decision. I'm saving emblems myself to buy two more pieces of t10 at once and jump straight to 4pc t10 as quickly as possible.
Now that the SoC + 2-piece T10 bug is fixed (according to EJ anyway, I haven't tested), Libram of Three Truths is pretty nice to have. It's a huge upgrade for Putricide phases 1 and 2, and is definitely worth the cost since it noticeably increases dps for Deathwhisper/Gunship as well, and will probably stay stacked for all of Saurfang/Festergut/possibly Rotface. Personally I've not got much else to grab with badges, as I'm using 2-piece 258 T9 and a 258 offspec piece in my non-T10 slots, and Hekuml War Token doesn't appeal since there are so many equivalent or better trinkets in ICC.
On that note, hope they don't nerf Tiny Abomination in a Jar too much, it's currently amazing and we won't have to fight warriors/DKs/hunters for it either unlike DBW/Death's Verdict/Choice.
2pc bug is indeed fixed from what I've seen so far today since servers came up. I'm still not sold on the libram overall, if anything happens to lose stacks, it's a long damn buildup. The rets I've spoken with that have it all regret the decision. I'm saving emblems myself to buy two more pieces of t10 at once and jump straight to 4pc t10 as quickly as possible.
I agree. It's generally just not much of a gain over the 245 for its cost. I guess if you're in the rare position of having all sorts of 258 gear from HToC25, then you might want to get it sooner, but I would still think there are other, better frost emblem offerings, at least for a while.
I'm leveling my pally (35 atm) and I tried to tank for the first time last night. I was really nervous about trying to tank as ret spec, but I was well above everyone on Omen the whole dungeon, as the lowest level guy. Obviously, Seal of Command helps compensate for the like of prot abilities, but the question I have is, how long will I be able to get away with not buying dual spec if I want to tank instances as I level?
You should be able to tank everything in a ret spec until the level cap, as long as you're not under-leveled for the dungeon. Just make sure you hang on to a tank set (stuff with +defense or just high amounts of stamina). It won't be as easy as it is for prot, but it should be possible.
Now that the SoC + 2-piece T10 bug is fixed (according to EJ anyway, I haven't tested), Libram of Three Truths is pretty nice to have. It's a huge upgrade for Putricide phases 1 and 2, and is definitely worth the cost since it noticeably increases dps for Deathwhisper/Gunship as well, and will probably stay stacked for all of Saurfang/Festergut/possibly Rotface. Personally I've not got much else to grab with badges, as I'm using 2-piece 258 T9 and a 258 offspec piece in my non-T10 slots, and Hekuml War Token doesn't appeal since there are so many equivalent or better trinkets in ICC.
On that note, hope they don't nerf Tiny Abomination in a Jar too much, it's currently amazing and we won't have to fight warriors/DKs/hunters for it either unlike DBW/Death's Verdict/Choice.
What does that trinket actually do? I heard about it once, but we haven't seen a melee trinket drop yet (I think, since I took a 2 week break during the holidays to go home and couldn't raid due to time differences). I'm hoping for a Whispering Fang Skull to drop soon, since I'm still using the damn heroic badge crit trinket (well the brewfest version, but yeah).
On that note, hope they don't nerf Tiny Abomination in a Jar too much, it's currently amazing and we won't have to fight warriors/DKs/hunters for it either unlike DBW/Death's Verdict/Choice.
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If you happen to have any frost DKs in the raid, expect to fight them for it. Looks like they may get a proc about every 8 or 9 seconds.
Anyone know where I can locate a starter guide as a Prot Pally? My alt is nearing level 80, and I want to gear him up to tank heroics and eventually weekly raid quests. What crafted and heroic drops should I be looking for, and what are my priorities for emblem gear?
Anyone know where I can locate a starter guide as a Prot Pally? My alt is nearing level 80, and I want to gear him up to tank heroics and eventually weekly raid quests. What crafted and heroic drops should I be looking for, and what are my priorities for emblem gear?
keep in mind that it's very hard to actually start out tanking heroics - people have very little patience for what they see as 'noobish mistakes', so my advice is to just tag along in a DPS spec and spend the badges on your tank set
On that note, hope they don't nerf Tiny Abomination in a Jar too much, it's currently amazing and we won't have to fight warriors/DKs/hunters for it either unlike DBW/Death's Verdict/Choice.
If you happen to have any frost DKs in the raid, expect to fight them for it. Looks like they may get a proc about every 8 or 9 seconds.
Doesn't even compete, for ret it procs on average every 3.3 seconds. It's far and away BIS for ret and mutilate, competes for BIS for enhance, and really isn't worth grabbing for every other class until those three don't want it.
That said, they seem to have unintentionally nerfed it now, at least that's what tests are showing, in which case it'll be significantly less good now (though possibly still the best trinket).
keep in mind that it's very hard to actually start out tanking heroics - people have very little patience for what they see as 'noobish mistakes', so my advice is to just tag along in a DPS spec and spend the badges on your tank set
It's never been easier to gear a tank, but he's right that people have a very sort fuse when it comes to fuckups these days. Not to mention in the age of gearscore people might just drop the group instantly. Sad thing is you don't need a 3500+ GS to tank any pre ToC Heroic.
I just recently got Garfrost's Two-Ton Hammer. I'm happy, it's a huge upgrade from the Greatsword of the Sin'dorei, which isn't even really a paladin weapon. (A little off topic: hit and haste in a two-hander? Who was that sword designed for?)
Anyway, now that I have a great level 219 epic, I'm satisfied for now. What weapon should I go for next? I see lots of people going around with the level 232 Tyrannical Beheader, but is that good for paladins? My understanding is that armor penetration isn't very useful for us.
Can someone copy-paste the trinket info? I'm curious as well, and can't check wowhead atm. (abom in a jar)
Regular
Tiny Abomination in a Jar
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 80
Item Level 264
Equip: Improves hit rating by 85 (2.59% @ L80).
Equip: Your melee attacks have a chance to grant you a Mote of Anger. When you reach 8 Motes of Anger, they will release, causing you to instantly attack for 50% weapon damage with one of your melee weapons.
Sell Price: 11 39 40
Heroic
Tiny Abomination in a Jar
Heroic
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 80
Item Level 277
Equip: Improves hit rating by 85 (2.59% @ L80).
Equip: Your melee attacks have a chance to grant you a Mote of Anger. When you reach 7 Motes of Anger, they will release, causing you to instantly attack for 50% weapon damage with one of your melee weapons.
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This is the one I use for my DPS set. This assumes you don't really need much Hit rating anymore, which you shouldn't. Just check off the boxes above to match the content you are in and your professions vs mine.
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My basis for the negative rating of armor pen is that it only aids your basic attacks and nothing else. I don't aim for it ever, but if it happens to be on a piece that has other beneficial stats, great. . . maybe you could change that from -0.5 to 0 if you like, but overall I've found using this ranking system works well for me. I've yet to join a run where I wasn't within the top 3 using this list.
Upon further evaluation, I think I see why certain cloaks do get higher on the list: Your Agi weight. I don't run lootrank that high on Agi myself, hence why your list had me quite perplexed. Noticing that cleared it right up for me though.
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Ha! I thought it was proc'ing a whole helluva lot more than it should've for trash. Good to know it wasn't my imagination.
Should I spend them, or keep saving for something else? It doesn't seem like a huge increase over my Deadly Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42852
1 point of strength gives 1/2 attack power, right? Some quick math makes these two sound roughly equal, unless I have the math way off.
edit: I think the cloak would be more of an upgrade, so I'll just save up a few more days for that.
I couldn't decide if I should replace my Brewfest trinket (+130-something STA?) or my Black Heart from HToC? Any thoughts on this? I don't have all the info/stats right now, but if you can access the armory, I'm wearing the Ony trinket now in my sig
Libram of Three Truths is actually light years better than the Deadly Libram. Strength gives us ~2.2 atk per point, not .5
The Libram of Three Truths however is NOT worth the emblem investment. If you are ret, just go ahead and save up to get t10 pieces and buy the Libram of Valiance from the Triumph vendor for single target dps, and keep using the Deadly Libram when you are on trash or pvp'ing.
Forgot I could check my Mobile Armory:
If you had to pick two of these trinkets, what would you pick?
As much as I love stamina... I'm starting to think that dropping the Brewfest charm is best.
The only time I would consider doing otherwise is if I were a Paladin that was well geared to boot. They stack so much health that you could probably drop the black heart for the Ony trinket and be better for it.
DKs(Especially Blood), Warriors, and Druids(I believe) need to stack Effective Health like its going out of style (which it isn't).
On that note, hope they don't nerf Tiny Abomination in a Jar too much, it's currently amazing and we won't have to fight warriors/DKs/hunters for it either unlike DBW/Death's Verdict/Choice.
Level 80?
I donno. Pre BC you can slap on a shield and a one-hander and go for it. In BC you'll probably want some tank gear. Somewhere in mid-Wrath you might find yourself wanting actual tank abilities. I know a blood DK in a leveling dps spec can tank all the way to 80. I've never tried it on a pally. Righteous Fury is ballin' though.
2pc bug is indeed fixed from what I've seen so far today since servers came up. I'm still not sold on the libram overall, if anything happens to lose stacks, it's a long damn buildup. The rets I've spoken with that have it all regret the decision. I'm saving emblems myself to buy two more pieces of t10 at once and jump straight to 4pc t10 as quickly as possible.
What does that trinket actually do? I heard about it once, but we haven't seen a melee trinket drop yet (I think, since I took a 2 week break during the holidays to go home and couldn't raid due to time differences). I'm hoping for a Whispering Fang Skull to drop soon, since I'm still using the damn heroic badge crit trinket (well the brewfest version, but yeah).
If you happen to have any frost DKs in the raid, expect to fight them for it. Looks like they may get a proc about every 8 or 9 seconds.
This site has everything you are looking for
keep in mind that it's very hard to actually start out tanking heroics - people have very little patience for what they see as 'noobish mistakes', so my advice is to just tag along in a DPS spec and spend the badges on your tank set
Doesn't even compete, for ret it procs on average every 3.3 seconds. It's far and away BIS for ret and mutilate, competes for BIS for enhance, and really isn't worth grabbing for every other class until those three don't want it.
That said, they seem to have unintentionally nerfed it now, at least that's what tests are showing, in which case it'll be significantly less good now (though possibly still the best trinket).
It's never been easier to gear a tank, but he's right that people have a very sort fuse when it comes to fuckups these days. Not to mention in the age of gearscore people might just drop the group instantly. Sad thing is you don't need a 3500+ GS to tank any pre ToC Heroic.
But anyways, getting any trinket at this point would be nice
Anyway, now that I have a great level 219 epic, I'm satisfied for now. What weapon should I go for next? I see lots of people going around with the level 232 Tyrannical Beheader, but is that good for paladins? My understanding is that armor penetration isn't very useful for us.
Regular
Tiny Abomination in a Jar
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 80
Item Level 264
Equip: Improves hit rating by 85 (2.59% @ L80).
Equip: Your melee attacks have a chance to grant you a Mote of Anger. When you reach 8 Motes of Anger, they will release, causing you to instantly attack for 50% weapon damage with one of your melee weapons.
Sell Price: 11 39 40
Heroic
Tiny Abomination in a Jar
Heroic
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 80
Item Level 277
Equip: Improves hit rating by 85 (2.59% @ L80).
Equip: Your melee attacks have a chance to grant you a Mote of Anger. When you reach 7 Motes of Anger, they will release, causing you to instantly attack for 50% weapon damage with one of your melee weapons.