However, without the university setting, there's no one there to force him out of his bad habits.
University setting ain't gonna force anyone out of their bad habits. Take it from me. They take your tuition and give you asspats in return.
Honestly, I believe that people who teach themselves how to do things are going to be more successful than those going to an art school, by and large. I know at least three close friends who are now professional illustrators, and none of them went to art school. In contrast, pretty much all of my class that graduated the fine arts degree program are now cashiers. Autodidacts have the drive to learn and improve on their own, they're going to keep that in the working world and keep growing.
Are they going to have bad habits? Yeah. So does everyone else.
Perhaps; I think this can easily start to come across as oversimplified and inflexbile an argument as the one Beavs objected to; different universities work different ways, and while many are as you say they are, others are genuinely helpful, especially for those, like me, whose way of learning isn't conducive to self-teaching. Now, given I'm using myself as an example, I'm going to have to concede that I may not have gained much ground in the university system, at least, judging by my work, but I got a hell of a lot more out of it than any number of years working on my own. I suppose that plays into your autodidact work ethic argument you made there, but there are those among my classmates who are doing quite well as a result of their education as well. It's like Beavs said, it's not a go to school/don't go to school debate.
However, without the university setting, there's no one there to force him out of his bad habits.
University setting ain't gonna force anyone out of their bad habits. Take it from me. They take your tuition and give you asspats in return.
Honestly, I believe that people who teach themselves how to do things are going to be more successful than those going to an art school, by and large. I know at least three close friends who are now professional illustrators, and none of them went to art school. In contrast, pretty much all of my class that graduated the fine arts degree program are now cashiers. Autodidacts have the drive to learn and improve on their own, they're going to keep that in the working world and keep growing.
Are they going to have bad habits? Yeah. So does everyone else.
Perhaps; I think this can easily start to come across as oversimplified and inflexbile an argument as the one Beavs objected to; different universities work different ways, and while many are as you say they are, others are genuinely helpful, especially for those, like me, whose way of learning isn't conducive to self-teaching. Now, given I'm using myself as an example, I'm going to have to concede that I may not have gained much ground in the university system, at least, judging by my work, but I got a hell of a lot more out of it than any number of years working on my own. I suppose that plays into your autodidact work ethic argument you made there, but there are those among my classmates who are doing quite well as a result of their education as well. It's like Beavs said, it's not a go to school/don't go to school debate.
Well, the argument I was making that autodidacts are the only ones who become good at art, regardless of setting, because they learn and grow outside of classtime. It's true of any discipline. If your work improves, it's because of you. Your teachers don't do work for you.
Here's the way I see the whole university/self teaching thing: The college can only provide the environment. Where you go or how much you pay will affect that environment - but ultimately anyone's education will come down to the individual their motivation, drive, skills, and methods and ultimately the way you reach your goals is based more on who you are and how you learn and less on how you got there some people do better self taught, some people do better in a university and some people will suck no matter what - whether they spend 90,000 to go to a private institution or if they sat home teaching themselves. It's just a method to learn and there is no set method for success in anything.
oh, even the women felt incomplete. oh wellz I guess. It just usually feels like you use the textures in how people do those old fashion cartoons were they wear the striped suits. And when they move the entire pattern moves
edit:. And I thought having all the Shades and values worked out would help you a lot when using textures to actually see how to make it work in a more depthy environement thingy
I actually remember reading a tutorial article where this guy was given Frank Frazzetta's blessing to do a Death Dealer piece, and after he scanned in his initial sketch the first thing he did was insert an umber oak (???) photograph and used the texture as his base to paint on. When he started up the sky he just inserted a photograph of clouds and what not and just painted on top. And then I remember seeing another video where this guy was painting a dwarf and rather than paint the chain mail he just...you guest it, took a photo of chain mail and just inserted in via overlays and erased bits that stuck out. Jeremy somethinoranother who did the concept work for narnia, lotr, and pretty much every other recent big blockbuster starts by placing phototextures on the canvas before he even works and then immediately after his initial sketches places another layer of pure texture/photograph, molds it, and paints again ontop.
Granted these guys know what the hell they are doing and got years of experience behind them, but its just illustrate that they are so many ways of using photos and textures amidts your workflow. There is no right or wrong way to go about it - so long as the end result works.
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wck, that guy looks like he's got a serious goiter issue; you might want to reconsider the left line defining his bottom jaw.
EDIT: Also, I do like the application of three-point perspective, though I think the two horizontal perspectives seem a tad off...
Yeah he's definately way out all over. I'll probably need to shoot a photo reference of my brother. And you're right, the two horizontal perspectives are out. It was a 'guess' job. I'll have to correct it in photoshop, because its hard to draw right when the points go off the page.
Yeah, proper perspective is a bitch on paper because of that; even the easiest way I know, which involves lightly sticky masking tape and newsprint, is too much trouble for quick sketches, nevermind the fact that you'd have to have the two on-hand to begin with. Hopefully someone else here's got some good suggestions for that.
I also consider myself self-taught...even with my current enrollment in school.
SO THERE, SUCKAZ
I also consider myself self taught despite the fact that I am due to graduate in a matter of weeks, art shool gave me a space to work in, but I could just have easily done the work at home/hired a studio. I have received no formal art tuiton other than life drawing classes and they were non taught anyway. But I definitely don't regret going as expensive as it was, it let me involve myself in a place where everyone was an artist from all different disciplines which has been really helpful for me and I've met some great people.
anyway, this place is starting to smell a lot like the chat thread
I really need to stop drawing on whatever paper is closest, in this case, lined.
Honestly, what I thought when I first saw this was that it was drawn with crayons lol. Then I read your post and looked closer and realized it was actually just artistic filter>lava'd all to hell
Honestly, what I thought when I first saw this was that it was drawn with crayons lol. Then I read your post and looked closer and realized it was actually just artistic filter>lava'd all to hell
Nah, it's one of the edge filters. I forget which. And GIMP's lava filter is several menus deeper than the one in Photoshop. O:
jeez..... everytime in stumble into this part of the forums is simultaneously motivating, and the final nail in the coffin of failure.
nah you gotta use it as motivation...everytime you see something impressive you need to be like 'fuck that! Ima come out with somethin' better...u watch!'
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Almost finished my painting of Jimmy Fallon. I was going to send it to him through the post, but since my folks are leaving for the United States this week, im getting them to drop the painting off at rockefeller centre when they go for the tour.
The painting looks shit, but it was fun to do.
im sure i made half of these muscles up, and this is all sorts of flat
Instead of a long loincloth, it looks like a giant dicksleeve. Like he needs to protect his dick, but also be able to whip it out at a moment's notice.
If you've ever had to care for male horses then you know that these are real. And they need to be cleaned. But that's probably not a place that the doodle thread should be going...
If you've ever had to care for male horses then you know that these are real. And they need to be cleaned. But that's probably not a place that the doodle thread should be going...
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Perhaps; I think this can easily start to come across as oversimplified and inflexbile an argument as the one Beavs objected to; different universities work different ways, and while many are as you say they are, others are genuinely helpful, especially for those, like me, whose way of learning isn't conducive to self-teaching. Now, given I'm using myself as an example, I'm going to have to concede that I may not have gained much ground in the university system, at least, judging by my work, but I got a hell of a lot more out of it than any number of years working on my own. I suppose that plays into your autodidact work ethic argument you made there, but there are those among my classmates who are doing quite well as a result of their education as well. It's like Beavs said, it's not a go to school/don't go to school debate.
Well, the argument I was making that autodidacts are the only ones who become good at art, regardless of setting, because they learn and grow outside of classtime. It's true of any discipline. If your work improves, it's because of you. Your teachers don't do work for you.
tldr: almost the same thing Orik just said.
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I actually remember reading a tutorial article where this guy was given Frank Frazzetta's blessing to do a Death Dealer piece, and after he scanned in his initial sketch the first thing he did was insert an umber oak (???) photograph and used the texture as his base to paint on. When he started up the sky he just inserted a photograph of clouds and what not and just painted on top. And then I remember seeing another video where this guy was painting a dwarf and rather than paint the chain mail he just...you guest it, took a photo of chain mail and just inserted in via overlays and erased bits that stuck out. Jeremy somethinoranother who did the concept work for narnia, lotr, and pretty much every other recent big blockbuster starts by placing phototextures on the canvas before he even works and then immediately after his initial sketches places another layer of pure texture/photograph, molds it, and paints again ontop.
Granted these guys know what the hell they are doing and got years of experience behind them, but its just illustrate that they are so many ways of using photos and textures amidts your workflow. There is no right or wrong way to go about it - so long as the end result works.
"I was born; six gun in my hand; behind the gun; I make my final stand"~Bad Company
It has a bit of an aged copper look to it.
(it radiates a unholy aura)
Yeah he's definately way out all over. I'll probably need to shoot a photo reference of my brother. And you're right, the two horizontal perspectives are out. It was a 'guess' job. I'll have to correct it in photoshop, because its hard to draw right when the points go off the page.
Yeah!
I also consider myself self-taught...even with my current enrollment in school.
SO THERE, SUCKAZ
I also consider myself self taught despite the fact that I am due to graduate in a matter of weeks, art shool gave me a space to work in, but I could just have easily done the work at home/hired a studio. I have received no formal art tuiton other than life drawing classes and they were non taught anyway. But I definitely don't regret going as expensive as it was, it let me involve myself in a place where everyone was an artist from all different disciplines which has been really helpful for me and I've met some great people.
anyway, this place is starting to smell a lot like the chat thread
I really need to stop drawing on whatever paper is closest, in this case, lined.
brb: going to the grocery - doodles will be forthcoming.
edit: er no doodles for now, my scanner has decided not to work - I actually haven't used it for a few (5) months :-|
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Honestly, what I thought when I first saw this was that it was drawn with crayons lol. Then I read your post and looked closer and realized it was actually just artistic filter>lava'd all to hell
Beavo, I want that last thing of yours on a shirt sooooooo bad!!!!!!
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Nah, it's one of the edge filters. I forget which. And GIMP's lava filter is several menus deeper than the one in Photoshop. O:
nah you gotta use it as motivation...everytime you see something impressive you need to be like 'fuck that! Ima come out with somethin' better...u watch!'
"I was born; six gun in my hand; behind the gun; I make my final stand"~Bad Company
The painting looks shit, but it was fun to do.
not very good copy of Wolverine Lifeblood comic!
slimy waiter!
thank you doodle for a frieeeend
silliness
im sure i made half of these muscles up, and this is all sorts of flat
ahahaha
delightful
I have seen many sick burns in my time, but that is in a class of its own.
Instead of a long loincloth, it looks like a giant dicksleeve. Like he needs to protect his dick, but also be able to whip it out at a moment's notice.
If you've ever had to care for male horses then you know that these are real. And they need to be cleaned. But that's probably not a place that the doodle thread should be going...
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well now we know which drawings you don't show us