SE is great, but idiocy is harder to notice there, because of lack of topicality. If your comments don't fit, it's usually assumed to be off-topic. When it is noticed, though, it is not usually left unpunished.
how many pages in are you talking about? I'm only looking at every other page, but so far the only thing I've seen is a potential christian nutbar, and that was kinda on topic, and the response was not too awful.
Just use the thread search feature, and put in words like "retarded," "stupid," and "idiot."
I'm saying it's not much different than what you'll get from D&D.
Obs, don't turn an interesting thread into "poor me"/"i think I'll slag off the forum I spend all my time in just to get some attention". Its terribly boring.
as for the topic, I mostly stick to DD just because I don't have time to post in all the forums. I lurk around more broadly than I post.
And just because this is D&D, let's do some "evidence gathering."
The forum returns only 350 results per term search.
It takes SE from 01-15-2007 to this day to amass 350 instances of "retard." It takes D&D from 11-30-2006 to this day to amass the same number. Suck it, Obs, and go whine somewhere else.
It takes SE from 01-15-2007 to this day to amass 350 instances of "retard." It takes D&D from 11-30-2006 to this day to amass the same number. Suck it, Obs, and go whine somewhere else.
There is more than one way to call someone a retard.
It takes SE from 01-15-2007 to this day to amass 350 instances of "retard." It takes D&D from 11-30-2006 to this day to amass the same number. Suck it, Obs, and go whine somewhere else.
There is more than one way to call someone a retard.
if we are comparing the merits of forums, I don't think that D&D wider vocabulary should count against it.
It is not like calling things retarded was a meme over there, so the results in that light are actually pretty respectable.
If you wanted to invest more energy and average a few diffrent sample words, you can, but you are not really casting any doubt on the veracity of his claim.
If you wanted to invest more energy and average a few diffrent sample words, you can, but you are not really casting any doubt on the veracity of his claim.
It'll be better for all if he doesn't, and follows Cat's advice.
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EvilBadmanDO NOT TRUST THIS MANRegistered Userregular
edited March 2007
I love the other on-topic subforums. I use G&T for gaming news, D&D for other news, and the others are entertainment. I, however, cannot stand SE++.
Let me first accentuate that 99% of Social Entropy ++ is not for me, and I know this to be true. "Why the hatred," you may ask, and the answer is simple: I enjoy the structure of the on-topic boards. All SE++ is to me is a poor man's FYAD (Knob's Rule post and a Livestock FYAD post from 2/10/07), which is also an annoyance, but on different boards and I digress.
Additionally, SE++ is horrendously liberal in their usage of the word faggot. I touched on this in the Ignore topic in Tube's Forum, but it's practically a form of punctuation over there. I'm not trying to start a second debate over the words usage and offensiveness, just stating my opinion.
I stay on this side of the fence, save forays into the YouTube thread, and on occasion, the new comic thread.
And I've definitely even seen some signs of prejudice.
Speaking of D&D specifically, prejudice doesn't bother me as much as pretentiousness and elitism does.
Even though there are a lot of level-headed, non-judgmental, smart people here, sometimes I look at the way people collectively try to cast down others (bandwagon-style) and I am reminded of high school.
Why do some people choose to stay exclusive only to one subforum rather than wander around across all forums? I've observed that some people have problems and probably start to hyperventilate if they have to post in another forum, as if they are stepping into a bad neighborhood or Compton or some shit like that. It's just another subforum. Actually, some people don't even call them subforums they just refer to them as a bunch of seperate forums even!
And I've definitely even seen some signs of prejudice. For instance, I've been to many Game Ons at G&T, and when somebody starts doing a lot of crazy shit like killing a bunch of guys or fuckin shit up I generally hear comments like "probably faggots from SE++" or "assholes from SE++"
WHY DO
YOU HATE
p.s. is this breaking the fourth wall
Getting back on topic... As you implied in your title, it's because the culture is different. People spend most of their time in a particular forum because of their interests. Over time, various people spending all their time in particular forums gives them all a unique culture, completely independent of one another with the exception of the handful of posters that post regularly in multiple. For the regulars, a new subforum might as well be a new forum altogether because they lose their name recognition and established identity. There're also differences in the rulesets and general behavior which can alienate people. SE++ in particular has higher bullshit tolerance than most of the other forums so some people find it juvenile.
Speaking of D&D specifically, prejudice doesn't bother me as much as pretentiousness and elitism does.
Even though there are a lot of level-headed, non-judgmental, smart people here, sometimes I look at the way people collectively try to cast down others (bandwagon-style) and I am reminded of high school.
I was with you until I realized who you are. I hate you.
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MrMisterJesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered Userregular
Let me first accentuate that 99% of Social Entropy ++ is not for me, and I know this to be true. "Why the hatred," you may ask, and the answer is simple: I enjoy the structure of the on-topic boards...
Additionally, SE++ is horrendously liberal in their usage of the word faggot. I touched on this in the Ignore topic in Tube's Forum, but it's practically a form of punctuation over there. I'm not trying to start a second debate over the words usage and offensiveness, just stating my opinion.
Ditto'd on both counts.
Sometimes I hop on over to AC to look at the cool art, or read a photo thread. Mainly though, I hang out in D&D--the other forums just don't interest me.
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SirUltimosDon't talk, Rusty. Just paint.Registered Userregular
edited March 2007
I mostly stick to G&T. Gaming is my main hobby and so the discussions interest me a lot more and I've grown to understand all the in jokes and memes and know the people.
D&D I like to lurk in and post sometimes because I find most of the topics to be interesting and again, I've learned most of the in jokes and grown to know the people.
I like to lurk in H&A just because I find it enetertaining and interesting.
I stay away from SE++ because it's just so wildly different from the forums I usually go to and I much prefer a more structured environment.
I pride myself on the plethora of ways in which I can call someone a complete and utter fucktard and tell him to go stab himself in the face with a sharp implement.
As to forums, I used to be frightened of SE++. Then I became a mod and checked it out, and found it wasn't that bad. It's not for me, though, so I generally steer clear. I like G&T, given the right thread topic, and H/A is helpful at times.
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Like a couple others I view and post in everything except SE++. The highly structured discussions of D&D are just preferred over random chats in my opinion. As a whole, the PA forums are shining paragons of online dialogue hidden away in a most unexpected place.
I like D&D. SE++ and G&T aren't really for me, mostly because I hate memes and anime screencaps (which means G&T doubly isn't for me).
And yeah, you have to have something of a thick skin to post in D&D. Though, I agree with ege02 on the bandwagon thing. Regardless of what he said, I think he got way more shit for it than he deserved. _J_ was another good example of that.
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EvilBadmanDO NOT TRUST THIS MANRegistered Userregular
I like D&D. SE++ and G&T aren't really for me, mostly because I hate memes and anime screencaps (which means G&T doubly isn't for me).
And yeah, you have to have something of a thick skin to post in D&D. Though, I agree with ege02 on the bandwagon thing. Regardless of what he said, I think he got way more shit for it than he deserved. _J_ was another good example of that.
You are aware that pretty much died with the death of the chat thread, yes?
I like D&D. SE++ and G&T aren't really for me, mostly because I hate memes and anime screencaps (which means G&T doubly isn't for me).
And yeah, you have to have something of a thick skin to post in D&D. Though, I agree with ege02 on the bandwagon thing. Regardless of what he said, I think he got way more shit for it than he deserved. _J_ was another good example of that.
You are aware that pretty much died with the death of the chat thread, yes?
If you don't think hating on Sony is a meme, you're nuts.
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edited March 2007
There is some bandwagoning in D&D. I've never heard it occur without cause, but it can be disproportionate. Ege caught it disproportionately for saying some dumb stuff. _J_ caught it for being unrelentingly annoying with his pedantry.
There is some bandwagoning in D&D. I've never heard it occur without cause, but it can be disproportionate. Ege caught it disproportionately for saying some dumb stuff. _J_ caught it for being unrelentingly annoying with his pedantry.
I think _J_ got a lot better, and people just continued giving him shit in spite of the fact that he got better. The same goes with ege.
There is some bandwagoning in D&D. I've never heard it occur without cause, but it can be disproportionate. Ege caught it disproportionately for saying some dumb stuff. _J_ caught it for being unrelentingly annoying with his pedantry.
I think _J_ got a lot better, and people just continued giving him shit in spite of the fact that he got better. The same goes with ege.
Seriously Will. You should pay more attention to what I post.
SE is my favorite forum to lurk. With such gems as the recent SO vs Mully forum battle, I don't see how anyone can not poke their head in from time to time.
And G&T, shit, I presume most people on these boards like video games, and thats where they discuss them, so.. yeah. I really never grasped why the division between their regs and the rest is so sharp at times.
I like D&D because I learn things from time to time, and between the pedantry and vitriol there sometimes forms genuinely interesting discussions on all manner of things.
I don't read AC or the others (H/A has no forum identity, I do read that) because I am only one man.
I don't like to post in SE++ because it is a needlessly cruel culture. People are just angry or something over there.
I used to like G&T a whole bunch but now whenever you say something negative about Nintendo you get branded a troll. It's no longer about fun over there, the way it once was. Plus GAF gets their news faster.
Right now the best community PA has is Graphic Violence.
I don't like to post in SE++ because it is a needlessly cruel culture. People are just angry or something over there.
Honestly, aside from the way they treat Uriel (which, whatever the guy has done, is really totally unnecessary), I think SE++ is probably nicer and more forgiving than D&D.
There is some bandwagoning in D&D. I've never heard it occur without cause, but it can be disproportionate. Ege caught it disproportionately for saying some dumb stuff. _J_ caught it for being unrelentingly annoying with his pedantry.
I think _J_ got a lot better, and people just continued giving him shit in spite of the fact that he got better. The same goes with ege.
Yeah, _J_ was unfortunate. Especially when when people were picking on him even in the chat thread.
It's pretty much impossible to clear your name. Once D&D brands you with a scarlett letter you are fucked.
No it isn't. You'd have to put more effort into it than "stop picking on me!" though. If you say dumb shit, get bandwagoned, and say more dumb shit, don't expect anybody's opinion to change.
I don't like to post in SE++ because it is a needlessly cruel culture. People are just angry or something over there.
Honestly, aside from the way they treat Uriel (which, whatever the guy has done, is really totally unnecessary), I think SE++ is probably nicer and more forgiving than D&D.
Well the way I see it, if you say something that people disagree with here you'll get insulted then they'll tell you why you're wrong.
Over there there's a lot of "shut the fuck up, fag," for no real reason. Or at least that's the impression I get.
No it isn't. You'd have to put more effort into it than "stop picking on me!" though. If you say dumb shit, get bandwagoned, and say more dumb shit, don't expect anybody's opinion to change.
People here are pretty harsh once they've decided you're retarded. Sometimes, this is unfortunate. However, the other times, we're dealing with Casket.
No it isn't. You'd have to put more effort into it than "stop picking on me!" though. If you say dumb shit, get bandwagoned, and say more dumb shit, don't expect anybody's opinion to change.
I was just thinking of the Casket incident. I know Tynic and myself told him on two different occasions what he had to do to stop the violence. The big thing is the D&D is going to hold you to your statements. You simply can't ignore it and hope it goes away on it's own.
No it isn't. You'd have to put more effort into it than "stop picking on me!" though. If you say dumb shit, get bandwagoned, and say more dumb shit, don't expect anybody's opinion to change.
People here are pretty harsh once they've decided you're retarded. Sometimes, this is unfortunate. However, the other times, we're dealing with Casket.
I don't like to post in SE++ because it is a needlessly cruel culture. People are just angry or something over there.
Honestly, aside from the way they treat Uriel (which, whatever the guy has done, is really totally unnecessary), I think SE++ is probably nicer and more forgiving than D&D.
Well the way I see it, if you say something that people disagree with here you'll get insulted then they'll tell you why you're wrong.
Over there there's a lot of "shut the fuck up, fag," for no real reason. Or at least that's the impression I get.
Also
I really hate
When people
All post like this
I'd rather be told to "shut the fuck up" than to be crushed with someone else's bullshit opinions, and then told to shut the fuck up.
No it isn't. You'd have to put more effort into it than "stop picking on me!" though. If you say dumb shit, get bandwagoned, and say more dumb shit, don't expect anybody's opinion to change.
I was just thinking of the Casket incident. I know Tynic and myself told him on two different occasions what he had to do to stop the violence. The big thing is the D&D is going to hold you to your statements. You simply can't ignore it and hope it goes away on it's own.
And for the love of god, if you say something stupid, just own up to it, and apologize.
It'll make things go a lot smoother. Lord knows I've said a lot of stupid shit over my time here.
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I'm saying it's not much different than what you'll get from D&D.
as for the topic, I mostly stick to DD just because I don't have time to post in all the forums. I lurk around more broadly than I post.
The forum returns only 350 results per term search.
It takes SE from 01-15-2007 to this day to amass 350 instances of "retard." It takes D&D from 11-30-2006 to this day to amass the same number. Suck it, Obs, and go whine somewhere else.
There is more than one way to call someone a retard.
Like, you are not figuring that into your calculations.
you need to normalize those results so you actually get retardeds per post, not retardeds per day.
if we are comparing the merits of forums, I don't think that D&D wider vocabulary should count against it.
It is not like calling things retarded was a meme over there, so the results in that light are actually pretty respectable.
If you wanted to invest more energy and average a few diffrent sample words, you can, but you are not really casting any doubt on the veracity of his claim.
Let me first accentuate that 99% of Social Entropy ++ is not for me, and I know this to be true. "Why the hatred," you may ask, and the answer is simple: I enjoy the structure of the on-topic boards. All SE++ is to me is a poor man's FYAD (Knob's Rule post and a Livestock FYAD post from 2/10/07), which is also an annoyance, but on different boards and I digress.
Additionally, SE++ is horrendously liberal in their usage of the word faggot. I touched on this in the Ignore topic in Tube's Forum, but it's practically a form of punctuation over there. I'm not trying to start a second debate over the words usage and offensiveness, just stating my opinion.
I stay on this side of the fence, save forays into the YouTube thread, and on occasion, the new comic thread.
Speaking of D&D specifically, prejudice doesn't bother me as much as pretentiousness and elitism does.
Even though there are a lot of level-headed, non-judgmental, smart people here, sometimes I look at the way people collectively try to cast down others (bandwagon-style) and I am reminded of high school.
Getting back on topic... As you implied in your title, it's because the culture is different. People spend most of their time in a particular forum because of their interests. Over time, various people spending all their time in particular forums gives them all a unique culture, completely independent of one another with the exception of the handful of posters that post regularly in multiple. For the regulars, a new subforum might as well be a new forum altogether because they lose their name recognition and established identity. There're also differences in the rulesets and general behavior which can alienate people. SE++ in particular has higher bullshit tolerance than most of the other forums so some people find it juvenile.
Ditto'd on both counts.
Sometimes I hop on over to AC to look at the cool art, or read a photo thread. Mainly though, I hang out in D&D--the other forums just don't interest me.
D&D I like to lurk in and post sometimes because I find most of the topics to be interesting and again, I've learned most of the in jokes and grown to know the people.
I like to lurk in H&A just because I find it enetertaining and interesting.
I stay away from SE++ because it's just so wildly different from the forums I usually go to and I much prefer a more structured environment.
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The writer's block.
i mean, you know what they say about the writing bug. Once it's inside you, you can never get rid of it.
As to forums, I used to be frightened of SE++. Then I became a mod and checked it out, and found it wasn't that bad. It's not for me, though, so I generally steer clear. I like G&T, given the right thread topic, and H/A is helpful at times.
Like a couple others I view and post in everything except SE++. The highly structured discussions of D&D are just preferred over random chats in my opinion. As a whole, the PA forums are shining paragons of online dialogue hidden away in a most unexpected place.
And yeah, you have to have something of a thick skin to post in D&D. Though, I agree with ege02 on the bandwagon thing. Regardless of what he said, I think he got way more shit for it than he deserved. _J_ was another good example of that.
You are aware that pretty much died with the death of the chat thread, yes?
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It's pretty much impossible to clear your name. Once D&D brands you with a scarlett letter you are fucked.
ehh... not really. Just look at Yar.
And G&T, shit, I presume most people on these boards like video games, and thats where they discuss them, so.. yeah. I really never grasped why the division between their regs and the rest is so sharp at times.
I like D&D because I learn things from time to time, and between the pedantry and vitriol there sometimes forms genuinely interesting discussions on all manner of things.
I don't read AC or the others (H/A has no forum identity, I do read that) because I am only one man.
I used to like G&T a whole bunch but now whenever you say something negative about Nintendo you get branded a troll. It's no longer about fun over there, the way it once was. Plus GAF gets their news faster.
Right now the best community PA has is Graphic Violence.
Do I catch more shit than I deserve too
No it isn't. You'd have to put more effort into it than "stop picking on me!" though. If you say dumb shit, get bandwagoned, and say more dumb shit, don't expect anybody's opinion to change.
Over there there's a lot of "shut the fuck up, fag," for no real reason. Or at least that's the impression I get.
Also
I really hate
When people
All post like this
People here are pretty harsh once they've decided you're retarded. Sometimes, this is unfortunate. However, the other times, we're dealing with Casket.
You're certainly not a lost cause, but you ask for it an awful lot.
I was just thinking of the Casket incident. I know Tynic and myself told him on two different occasions what he had to do to stop the violence. The big thing is the D&D is going to hold you to your statements. You simply can't ignore it and hope it goes away on it's own.
That's exactly who I thinking of.
I'd rather be told to "shut the fuck up" than to be crushed with someone else's bullshit opinions, and then told to shut the fuck up.
It'll make things go a lot smoother. Lord knows I've said a lot of stupid shit over my time here.
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