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Critique My Awesome Demo Cover

TubeTube Registered User admin
edited June 2009 in Artist's Corner
The lovely Mully made this for my demo. Feedback particularly wanted on fonts but everything welcome. The shadow under the chin that looks like part of the beard has been removed since this version.

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    KendeathwalkerKendeathwalker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    well for starters that is an extremely awkward gesture on that figure. It is very very stiff.

    here is a quick and dirty sketch of something that looks a bit more believable.
    better.jpg

    Really the only thing that makes it look like a punch is the swoosh and it took me a few seconds to realize that wasnt just an abstract type design element. He looks like hes doing this fruity little jig in front of a bleeding clown.

    A Star at the point of impact on the clown would help as well.

    And The type is pretty boring and placed poorly.

    Play with running the type along the swoosh of the punch or Just Justify it across the top or bottom. MAke it bolder.


    Also value wise I think the clown needs to be pushed back.

    Try ditching the uneven starburst background and turn it all black. Just let his shirt shape fall into the bg.. pop a rim light if you need it..


    Just suggestions hope something useful.

    Right now though my intial impression was.. meh.

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    ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    It took me half way through reading ken's post and boggling at his paintover to even pick up that the clown is being punched. Even now I'm still not sure that's what it's supposed to be. Looks more like he's being elbowed in the ribs.

    The arc of movement we're looking at for this punch, original or the paintover seems a bit much as well. The actual graphic of the arc put on the cover makes it even more confusing since we expect it to adhere somewhat to perspective.

    Personally I would put the hatted figure facing the other direction and have his position closer to just after the moment of impact and the follow through, rather than having him whirled around facing the other direction a moment later. I would also rethink the diagonal line elements in the background and redirect them, or use some other tack in the background to help funnel the eye towards a focal point near the point of impact.

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    He's in the direction that he is because I wanted the "swoosh" from the punch to be the slot for the album title, and the reason he is facing us is because he is the owner of the album itself. I had to pull back the elbow in such a way because it dragged attention away from the title, in my view.

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    Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Yeah, I didn't get it was a punch either, and have spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out how that punch would work. It doesn't help that the clown is leaning backward- as if he were punched straight in the nose- but the indicated arc means the punch would have landed on the side of his head, which would make him stumble sideways. The interaction between the figures is just generally really unclear, and the 'pain stars' and swoosh do nothing to improve the readability of the situation.

    Like Scos was saying, you could get the punching guy to face the camera by having it be a right-handed punch going right to left horizontally, and have it still feel natural.

    Having the album title in the swoosh is a good idea, but right now it's coming at a sacrifice to the piece as a whole; I don't feel that idea as executed currently is interesting enough compositionally to justify that tradeoff.

    Personally- and I know this bites since you probably have already spent a good deal of time on this- the composition could stand to be reworked from the ground up on paper, to make sure all these ideas are being brought across effectively and unambiguously to the viewer.

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    bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Mully i am a fan of your usual stuff but i don't really feel this at all.

    The randomized album cover thread yielded results ten times more interesting than this.

    Most of what makes it less than awesome has been mentioned but i'd like to add that the colors are not really working.

    Also the way he holds his hat is very awkward. usually your fingers are on the brim and your thumb is underneath. Try and stretch your fingers in a way that would fit under the brim of a hat you are wearing.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Normally a fan of Mully's stuff that I've seen but unfortunately this is not working on a variety of levels. :?

    Right off the bat this looks like clip-art.

    I couldn't see that it was a punch either and it just doesn't seem compositionally sound to me.

    I also can't understand what is going on with the hand that is holding the hat - I mean, I can see that the wrist is open and outwards, with the fingers under the brim - but who holds a hat brim like that? It looks very unnatural.

    The clown's ruff looks awful...

    Not a fan the type, nor how it's layed out...

    Also, if this is to be printed and this image is inclusive of bleed - then everything is too close to the edges.

    I have to agree with Bacon, needs reworking from the ground up.

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    yeaaah you guys feel the same way about it as i do

    the thing is that it was all done in a bit of a rush, on an idea tube wanted to go forth with

    id have to redo the entire thing to make it even half 'good'

    bah :(

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2009
    : (

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    you can't rush art, tube

    *smokes a cigar, sniffs cognac*

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2009
    I didn't rush shit!

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    beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    mulls it's my experience that the second try of doing something tends to take me less time than the first
    if that ...makes you feel better?

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2009
    I don't think Mully is going to even have time to redo it

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    mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    When do you need it done by, that it can't be redone?

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    i am a little overbooked, is the problem
    things i keep putting on the backburner for both work and other commissions that i shouldn't keep back there anymore
    ..hmm maybe i could do something simpler, though
    like
    a silhouette of him punching the clown
    pulled out, from a distance
    that might look pretty good
    ...if i get the punching stance right, haha

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    DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    I tried a sketch on my lunch hour today:

    clownpunch_1.jpg

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    damn you dmac
    way to make me look useless :P
    (that looks awesome)

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    DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Just playing with what I was imagining for text:

    clownpunch_2.jpg

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Is that really what tube looks like?

    I am jealous of that goatee.

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    DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    A work in progress...

    clownpunch_color1.jpg

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    awesome
    i suggested that he use mine, faded out, inside to write the titles of the songs overtop of

    thanks dmac

    i am learning from you and your radness, you see

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2009
    That is completely incredible. Could I possible get a version resized to 120 x 120mm which (I think) is the right size for a cd case. You're awesome man.

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    DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    It's not done yet! God!

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2009
    It isn't? holy shit.

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Sweet Christ in a manger, DMAC.

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Methinks Tube's CD-cover alter ego should be his avatar.

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I bet that's what tube looks like in real life

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2009
    well it's a picture of me so

    yes

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    with the makeup and wig and everything?

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2009
    perfect answer

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Do you have that hat too?

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    DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Enough playing for today. I'll see how I feel about it tomorrow.

    clownpunch_color2.jpg

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    DrIanMalcolmDrIanMalcolm Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I love the coloring

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    bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    wait that's a goatee?

    and here i was feeling insulted anytime someone threw the term neckbeard around.

    Oh happy day!

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Was about to say that I wasn't keen on the halftone in the first coloured draft -- but then you fixed it on the second!

    I think it's rediculous and awesome that you fired this out so quickly, bravo sir.

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    brokecrackerbrokecracker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Tam wrote: »
    with the makeup and wig and everything?

    I laughed out loud.



    DMAC this is crazy good. I have no crits, just ass pats.

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    t i mt i m Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    DMAC FOR THE WIN!

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    God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now I am so far behind that I will never die.” Bill Watterson
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    DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Thanks, dudes. Might be a few little tweaks coming but I think it's basically done.

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    MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    That's fantastic. Definitely eye catching which is what I think you'd want with a demo that's being passed around.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2009
    I really think if I got a pile of demos on my desk I'd look at that one over almost anything. Especially given that most demos have a picture of a dude holding a guitar and looking sad.

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    DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Now I kind of want to do a sad, serious clown punching cover.

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