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The Pirate Bay, Online Apps and DRM

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yeah, I agree with that, Monoxide. It's usually not an issue for me to find SOMETHING I like though, I just have to root around to find it.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    I thought those Russian sites were pretty dubious

    the ToS seems pretty legit

    According to this, they're still on shaky legal ground, at least in the US.

    they are, but because they're international the US government/RIAA can't do much about it without working something out with ROMS (the Russian Organization for Multimedia Systems)

    their copyright laws are entirely different and basically allow people to sell music as much as they want until the copyright holder requests their own royalties

    not to mention, if you do a search for "The Beatles", you can buy their albums. the rights to The Beatles catalog isn't available to anyone to sell on any MP3 store at the moment, let alone some random russian website

    i really hope you morons aren't handing over your credit card information to get "legal" 8 cent music downloads

    maybe if this was 1993 when there was no fraud protection and nobody bothered to check their account

    and they are legal, they are legally purchased in a sovereign nation and transferred to ownership in the us and ex-post-facto law protects anybody that may download now if this actually does become illegal

    so then tell me

    what is the point of buying music if you're doing it from a website that gives no money to the artists or the rights holders?

    not to mention that they're selling the Beatles catalog. No one has the rights to sell the Beatles catalog in MP3 form. How is profiting from selling music that you don't own the rights to even halfway legal? they operate on loopholes in international copyright law, plain and simple.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    plus I don't understand how you're going to trust a website with your personal info that's selling you things they don't own

    obviously morals aren't high up on their list of priorities

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Monoxide wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    I thought those Russian sites were pretty dubious

    the ToS seems pretty legit

    According to this, they're still on shaky legal ground, at least in the US.

    they are, but because they're international the US government/RIAA can't do much about it without working something out with ROMS (the Russian Organization for Multimedia Systems)

    their copyright laws are entirely different and basically allow people to sell music as much as they want until the copyright holder requests their own royalties

    not to mention, if you do a search for "The Beatles", you can buy their albums. the rights to The Beatles catalog isn't available to anyone to sell on any MP3 store at the moment, let alone some random russian website

    i really hope you morons aren't handing over your credit card information to get "legal" 8 cent music downloads

    maybe if this was 1993 when there was no fraud protection and nobody bothered to check their account

    and they are legal, they are legally purchased in a sovereign nation and transferred to ownership in the us and ex-post-facto law protects anybody that may download now if this actually does become illegal

    so then tell me

    what is the point of buying music if you're doing it from a website that gives no money to the artists or the rights holders?

    not to mention that they're selling the Beatles catalog. No one has the rights to sell the Beatles catalog in MP3 form. How is profiting from selling music that you don't own the rights to even halfway legal? they operate on loopholes in international copyright law, plain and simple.

    legal loopholes

    where did I say they had the moral highground?

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Monoxide wrote: »
    plus I don't understand how you're going to trust a website with your personal info that's selling you things they don't own

    obviously morals aren't high up on their list of priorities

    they're russian

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  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Hey does anyone here know what happened to that whole "Online radio stations will have to pay royalties on songs" thing a while back? I remember a bunch of the stations I listen to were up in a huff about it but then I took off for a few months and when I came back I never heard about it again.

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    wait so

    are they still going to call themselves "the pirate bay"?

    come to think of it, how's napster doing?

    they still around?

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  • FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I hate paying for things so I just choose to listen and watch nothing

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Pandora managed to survive that whole thing, partly by inserting more ads and offering a subscription-based ad-free version.

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  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    wait so

    are they still going to call themselves "the pirate bay"?

    come to think of it, how's napster doing?

    they still around?

    Napster is still around yup. You can even buy giftcards in stores for the thing. It's not HUGE anymore but I guess it is successful enough.

    Tasteticle on

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    anyway I'm not saying you're going to get arrested for buying music from ROMS-certified websites

    but that you're not really paying for the music at all

    it's like paying your friend Vladmir to burn you a CD from his legally purchased music collection

    the way ROMS works is that the copyright holder has to actually request royalties from them, then they go to the website and ask for money, but this rarely happens with internationally-owned copyrights and even less so with stuff from independent labels like ANTI- (who own the rights to the Tom Waits albums they're selling)

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Pandora managed to survive that whole thing, partly by inserting more ads and offering a subscription-based ad-free version.

    last.fm had to start charging in certain countries

    Fucked up a game I play on a different forum something fierce

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    man Vladmir is a dick

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    It should be noted though that last.fm didn't have to start charging because of royalties

    They simply don't get enough traffic to cover the cost in those countries just through advertising

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'm saying saying it's right or ethical, just legal

    russian law

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  • RabidDeathMooseRabidDeathMoose Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Wow, mint.com looks fantastically useful, too bad they don't support countries that aren't the USA.

    Any canucks around here have some personal financial management links they'd be willing to drop? My shoebox method isn't cutting it anymore...

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    man, the internet is really cocking up international trade laws and shit

    we are living in a weird age

    where technology just keeps outstepping the legal frameworks to control and define that technology

    it's going to look pretty weird to people a few generations down the road from us, when presumably most of this shit will get sorted out

    Pony on
  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    yeah but by then we'll get super porn and sex bots

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    sex bots really are going to change a lot of things

    Pony on
  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    yeah russians hm

    because if you're paying some random dude in russia who doesn't deserve the money
    then you might as well steal it right

    and if you're gonna buy it might as well buy it from a non-dubious place

    amazon mp3 is nice i use it sometimes

    i hope i dont have a cavity
    but my tooth has been hurtin
    but i saw the dentist in may and he said nuffin
    arghhhh

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Wow, mint.com looks fantastically useful, too bad they don't support countries that aren't the USA.

    Any canucks around here have some personal financial management links they'd be willing to drop? My shoebox method isn't cutting it anymore...

    If you're willing to drop the cash for'em NeatReceipt makes a very cool-looking scanner that uses some fancy optical character recognition software to read your documents and import them into Quicken and other financial software formats.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    yeah russians hm

    because if you're paying some random dude in russia who doesn't deserve the money
    then you might as well steal it right

    and if you're gonna buy it might as well buy it from a non-dubious place

    amazon mp3 is nice i use it sometimes

    i hope i dont have a cavity
    but my tooth has been hurtin
    but i saw the dentist in may and he said nuffin
    arghhhh

    how much a dentist appointment cost you

    go see him again, man

    paying a few bones of preventative is worth the shit-ton fixing a big problem is

    dentists is like mechanics that way

    Pony on
  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Wow, mint.com looks fantastically useful, too bad they don't support countries that aren't the USA.

    Any canucks around here have some personal financial management links they'd be willing to drop? My shoebox method isn't cutting it anymore...

    Mint is incredibly useful since I love doing my banking online yet my bank is an utter pile of shit in that respect.

    Javen on
  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I realised the joys of spotify and have been enjoying it ever since.

    Bad-Beat on
  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2009
    i still get a good laugh over metallica throwing a hissy fit over napster


    and also telling everyone how much they love money

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    That being said aside from Steam and Greenhouse I don't really get much online. I'm a brick and mortar kind of guy who likes to be able to have physical manifestations of the shit I own but don't need.

    Javen on
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    honestly the best way to combat piracy is not to make up a bunch of silly laws restricting this and that

    it's setting up legal and straightforward ways for people to get shit cheap and easy.

    i know a buddy of mine who used to pirate games constantly

    when PC games got hardcore about DRM and shit, he went to extra effort, going through crack sites and shit

    ended up with viruses on his computer, bad installs, etc.

    then steam came along and was like "hey this game is $10 you spend more than that on fast food"

    and since steam he ain't pirated a game.

    Pony on
  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    yeah russians hm

    because if you're paying some random dude in russia who doesn't deserve the money
    then you might as well steal it right

    and if you're gonna buy it might as well buy it from a non-dubious place

    amazon mp3 is nice i use it sometimes

    i hope i dont have a cavity
    but my tooth has been hurtin
    but i saw the dentist in may and he said nuffin
    arghhhh

    how much a dentist appointment cost you

    go see him again, man

    paying a few bones of preventative is worth the shit-ton fixing a big problem is

    dentists is like mechanics that way
    hrm
    my dentist is in MA and i'm in nyc

    i will need to see some random dentist then...

    arghhh

    i think this is a different tooth than the one that hurt last year
    i hope it is because last year the dentist had to refill a filling and was like uhhh yeah if that gets worse ROOT CANAL BITCH

    but this is the opposite molar i think... argh

    whyyyyyyyy

    Shazkar Shadowstorm on
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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    honestly the best way to combat piracy is not to make up a bunch of silly laws restricting this and that

    it's setting up legal and straightforward ways for people to get shit cheap and easy.

    i know a buddy of mine who used to pirate games constantly

    when PC games got hardcore about DRM and shit, he went to extra effort, going through crack sites and shit

    ended up with viruses on his computer, bad installs, etc.

    then steam came along and was like "hey this game is $10 you spend more than that on fast food"

    and since steam he ain't pirated a game.

    pretty much my case

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2009
    Steam is great because I can go through thirty computers, reformat my computer over and over and my house can burn down or my dog can eat all my CDs and I'll still be able to play my games.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2009
    hrm
    my dentist is in MA and i'm in nyc

    i will need to see some random dentist then...

    arghhh

    i think this is a different tooth than the one that hurt last year
    i hope it is because last year the dentist had to refill a filling and was like uhhh yeah if that gets worse ROOT CANAL BITCH

    but this is the opposite molar i think... argh

    whyyyyyyyy

    call your dentist in MA and have him recommend you a dentist in NYC

    Unknown User on
  • unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    Steam is great because I can go through thirty computers, reformat my computer over and over and my house can burn down or my dog can eat all my CDs and I'll still be able to play my games.

    :^:

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    honestly the best way to combat piracy is not to make up a bunch of silly laws restricting this and that

    it's setting up legal and straightforward ways for people to get shit cheap and easy.

    i know a buddy of mine who used to pirate games constantly

    when PC games got hardcore about DRM and shit, he went to extra effort, going through crack sites and shit

    ended up with viruses on his computer, bad installs, etc.

    then steam came along and was like "hey this game is $10 you spend more than that on fast food"

    and since steam he ain't pirated a game.
    my friend is still dumb and still pirates games and never buys them ever, and i'm like, hey buy mass effect its like $20 on steam and he's like, well I WILL NEVAR BUY A GAME!! 1! !

    and i'm like, dude you're an idiot that's like 3 sandwiches for hours of entertainment

    and he's like, well i'm not really earning money right now so i feel bad spending my parents money on things like this

    but then he goes and uses his parents money to get a new laptop because his old one was shitty and dying

    ugh

    Shazkar Shadowstorm on
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  • FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    man, the internet is really cocking up international trade laws and shit

    we are living in a weird age

    where technology just keeps outstepping the legal frameworks to control and define that technology

    it's going to look pretty weird to people a few generations down the road from us, when presumably most of this shit will get sorted out

    everything will probably get controlled and then our wonderful anarchic internet will be lost and everything will suck

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2009
    Also sometimes I'll forget I have games and look on steam and want to play them again.

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    honestly the best way to combat piracy is not to make up a bunch of silly laws restricting this and that

    it's setting up legal and straightforward ways for people to get shit cheap and easy.

    i know a buddy of mine who used to pirate games constantly

    when PC games got hardcore about DRM and shit, he went to extra effort, going through crack sites and shit

    ended up with viruses on his computer, bad installs, etc.

    then steam came along and was like "hey this game is $10 you spend more than that on fast food"

    and since steam he ain't pirated a game.

    pretty much my case

    Between Steam and Good Old Games I haven't been tempted to do that in a long while. Same with music and Lala/Amazon. GOG is DRM-free, too, so I can take my games and put'em on whatever computers I own, no bullshit keycodes or anything. Plus they throw in extras like soundtracks, pdf instruction manuals, wallpapers, etc.

    Abracadaniel on
  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    honestly the best way to combat piracy is not to make up a bunch of silly laws restricting this and that

    it's setting up legal and straightforward ways for people to get shit cheap and easy.

    i know a buddy of mine who used to pirate games constantly

    when PC games got hardcore about DRM and shit, he went to extra effort, going through crack sites and shit

    ended up with viruses on his computer, bad installs, etc.

    then steam came along and was like "hey this game is $10 you spend more than that on fast food"

    and since steam he ain't pirated a game.

    Steam also builds its games and merchandise philosophy around the concept of digital content.

    Episodic gaming, for example, can pretty much only prosper through digital distribution.

    Javen on
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    i got blood bowl, legally, as a digital download

    which is totally cool, except

    it has limited installs

    that pisses me right the fuck off

    let me install my game as many times as i fucking want, you shits, it's my fucking game

    i've gone through more than a few computers in my lifetime and had to do reformats and didn't always have the opportunity to properly uninstall and de-activate my games

    if you have to use a code and connect to their server and log in every time you want to install it, solves your piracy problem right there.

    jesus

    limited installs on direct downloads is dogshit

    Pony on
  • MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Uh...call me sally but pretty sure The Pirate Bay is still going strong.

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  • GameGrrlGameGrrl Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Does anyone have good sites for free, legal (not abandonware) games?


    And any good online sources for free e-books?

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