According to this, they're still on shaky legal ground, at least in the US.
they are, but because they're international the US government/RIAA can't do much about it without working something out with ROMS (the Russian Organization for Multimedia Systems)
their copyright laws are entirely different and basically allow people to sell music as much as they want until the copyright holder requests their own royalties
not to mention, if you do a search for "The Beatles", you can buy their albums. the rights to The Beatles catalog isn't available to anyone to sell on any MP3 store at the moment, let alone some random russian website
i really hope you morons aren't handing over your credit card information to get "legal" 8 cent music downloads
maybe if this was 1993 when there was no fraud protection and nobody bothered to check their account
and they are legal, they are legally purchased in a sovereign nation and transferred to ownership in the us and ex-post-facto law protects anybody that may download now if this actually does become illegal
so then tell me
what is the point of buying music if you're doing it from a website that gives no money to the artists or the rights holders?
not to mention that they're selling the Beatles catalog. No one has the rights to sell the Beatles catalog in MP3 form. How is profiting from selling music that you don't own the rights to even halfway legal? they operate on loopholes in international copyright law, plain and simple.
According to this, they're still on shaky legal ground, at least in the US.
they are, but because they're international the US government/RIAA can't do much about it without working something out with ROMS (the Russian Organization for Multimedia Systems)
their copyright laws are entirely different and basically allow people to sell music as much as they want until the copyright holder requests their own royalties
not to mention, if you do a search for "The Beatles", you can buy their albums. the rights to The Beatles catalog isn't available to anyone to sell on any MP3 store at the moment, let alone some random russian website
i really hope you morons aren't handing over your credit card information to get "legal" 8 cent music downloads
maybe if this was 1993 when there was no fraud protection and nobody bothered to check their account
and they are legal, they are legally purchased in a sovereign nation and transferred to ownership in the us and ex-post-facto law protects anybody that may download now if this actually does become illegal
so then tell me
what is the point of buying music if you're doing it from a website that gives no money to the artists or the rights holders?
not to mention that they're selling the Beatles catalog. No one has the rights to sell the Beatles catalog in MP3 form. How is profiting from selling music that you don't own the rights to even halfway legal? they operate on loopholes in international copyright law, plain and simple.
legal loopholes
where did I say they had the moral highground?
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Hey does anyone here know what happened to that whole "Online radio stations will have to pay royalties on songs" thing a while back? I remember a bunch of the stations I listen to were up in a huff about it but then I took off for a few months and when I came back I never heard about it again.
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anyway I'm not saying you're going to get arrested for buying music from ROMS-certified websites
but that you're not really paying for the music at all
it's like paying your friend Vladmir to burn you a CD from his legally purchased music collection
the way ROMS works is that the copyright holder has to actually request royalties from them, then they go to the website and ask for money, but this rarely happens with internationally-owned copyrights and even less so with stuff from independent labels like ANTI- (who own the rights to the Tom Waits albums they're selling)
Wow, mint.com looks fantastically useful, too bad they don't support countries that aren't the USA.
Any canucks around here have some personal financial management links they'd be willing to drop? My shoebox method isn't cutting it anymore...
If you're willing to drop the cash for'em NeatReceipt makes a very cool-looking scanner that uses some fancy optical character recognition software to read your documents and import them into Quicken and other financial software formats.
That being said aside from Steam and Greenhouse I don't really get much online. I'm a brick and mortar kind of guy who likes to be able to have physical manifestations of the shit I own but don't need.
because if you're paying some random dude in russia who doesn't deserve the money
then you might as well steal it right
and if you're gonna buy it might as well buy it from a non-dubious place
amazon mp3 is nice i use it sometimes
i hope i dont have a cavity
but my tooth has been hurtin
but i saw the dentist in may and he said nuffin
arghhhh
how much a dentist appointment cost you
go see him again, man
paying a few bones of preventative is worth the shit-ton fixing a big problem is
dentists is like mechanics that way
hrm
my dentist is in MA and i'm in nyc
i will need to see some random dentist then...
arghhh
i think this is a different tooth than the one that hurt last year
i hope it is because last year the dentist had to refill a filling and was like uhhh yeah if that gets worse ROOT CANAL BITCH
but this is the opposite molar i think... argh
whyyyyyyyy
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Steam is great because I can go through thirty computers, reformat my computer over and over and my house can burn down or my dog can eat all my CDs and I'll still be able to play my games.
i think this is a different tooth than the one that hurt last year
i hope it is because last year the dentist had to refill a filling and was like uhhh yeah if that gets worse ROOT CANAL BITCH
but this is the opposite molar i think... argh
whyyyyyyyy
call your dentist in MA and have him recommend you a dentist in NYC
Steam is great because I can go through thirty computers, reformat my computer over and over and my house can burn down or my dog can eat all my CDs and I'll still be able to play my games.
honestly the best way to combat piracy is not to make up a bunch of silly laws restricting this and that
it's setting up legal and straightforward ways for people to get shit cheap and easy.
i know a buddy of mine who used to pirate games constantly
when PC games got hardcore about DRM and shit, he went to extra effort, going through crack sites and shit
ended up with viruses on his computer, bad installs, etc.
then steam came along and was like "hey this game is $10 you spend more than that on fast food"
and since steam he ain't pirated a game.
my friend is still dumb and still pirates games and never buys them ever, and i'm like, hey buy mass effect its like $20 on steam and he's like, well I WILL NEVAR BUY A GAME!! 1! !
and i'm like, dude you're an idiot that's like 3 sandwiches for hours of entertainment
and he's like, well i'm not really earning money right now so i feel bad spending my parents money on things like this
but then he goes and uses his parents money to get a new laptop because his old one was shitty and dying
ugh
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honestly the best way to combat piracy is not to make up a bunch of silly laws restricting this and that
it's setting up legal and straightforward ways for people to get shit cheap and easy.
i know a buddy of mine who used to pirate games constantly
when PC games got hardcore about DRM and shit, he went to extra effort, going through crack sites and shit
ended up with viruses on his computer, bad installs, etc.
then steam came along and was like "hey this game is $10 you spend more than that on fast food"
and since steam he ain't pirated a game.
pretty much my case
Between Steam and Good Old Games I haven't been tempted to do that in a long while. Same with music and Lala/Amazon. GOG is DRM-free, too, so I can take my games and put'em on whatever computers I own, no bullshit keycodes or anything. Plus they throw in extras like soundtracks, pdf instruction manuals, wallpapers, etc.
let me install my game as many times as i fucking want, you shits, it's my fucking game
i've gone through more than a few computers in my lifetime and had to do reformats and didn't always have the opportunity to properly uninstall and de-activate my games
if you have to use a code and connect to their server and log in every time you want to install it, solves your piracy problem right there.
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so then tell me
what is the point of buying music if you're doing it from a website that gives no money to the artists or the rights holders?
not to mention that they're selling the Beatles catalog. No one has the rights to sell the Beatles catalog in MP3 form. How is profiting from selling music that you don't own the rights to even halfway legal? they operate on loopholes in international copyright law, plain and simple.
obviously morals aren't high up on their list of priorities
legal loopholes
where did I say they had the moral highground?
they're russian
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are they still going to call themselves "the pirate bay"?
come to think of it, how's napster doing?
they still around?
Napster is still around yup. You can even buy giftcards in stores for the thing. It's not HUGE anymore but I guess it is successful enough.
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but that you're not really paying for the music at all
it's like paying your friend Vladmir to burn you a CD from his legally purchased music collection
the way ROMS works is that the copyright holder has to actually request royalties from them, then they go to the website and ask for money, but this rarely happens with internationally-owned copyrights and even less so with stuff from independent labels like ANTI- (who own the rights to the Tom Waits albums they're selling)
last.fm had to start charging in certain countries
Fucked up a game I play on a different forum something fierce
They simply don't get enough traffic to cover the cost in those countries just through advertising
russian law
Any canucks around here have some personal financial management links they'd be willing to drop? My shoebox method isn't cutting it anymore...
we are living in a weird age
where technology just keeps outstepping the legal frameworks to control and define that technology
it's going to look pretty weird to people a few generations down the road from us, when presumably most of this shit will get sorted out
because if you're paying some random dude in russia who doesn't deserve the money
then you might as well steal it right
and if you're gonna buy it might as well buy it from a non-dubious place
amazon mp3 is nice i use it sometimes
i hope i dont have a cavity
but my tooth has been hurtin
but i saw the dentist in may and he said nuffin
arghhhh
If you're willing to drop the cash for'em NeatReceipt makes a very cool-looking scanner that uses some fancy optical character recognition software to read your documents and import them into Quicken and other financial software formats.
how much a dentist appointment cost you
go see him again, man
paying a few bones of preventative is worth the shit-ton fixing a big problem is
dentists is like mechanics that way
Mint is incredibly useful since I love doing my banking online yet my bank is an utter pile of shit in that respect.
and also telling everyone how much they love money
it's setting up legal and straightforward ways for people to get shit cheap and easy.
i know a buddy of mine who used to pirate games constantly
when PC games got hardcore about DRM and shit, he went to extra effort, going through crack sites and shit
ended up with viruses on his computer, bad installs, etc.
then steam came along and was like "hey this game is $10 you spend more than that on fast food"
and since steam he ain't pirated a game.
my dentist is in MA and i'm in nyc
i will need to see some random dentist then...
arghhh
i think this is a different tooth than the one that hurt last year
i hope it is because last year the dentist had to refill a filling and was like uhhh yeah if that gets worse ROOT CANAL BITCH
but this is the opposite molar i think... argh
whyyyyyyyy
pretty much my case
call your dentist in MA and have him recommend you a dentist in NYC
:^:
and i'm like, dude you're an idiot that's like 3 sandwiches for hours of entertainment
and he's like, well i'm not really earning money right now so i feel bad spending my parents money on things like this
but then he goes and uses his parents money to get a new laptop because his old one was shitty and dying
ugh
everything will probably get controlled and then our wonderful anarchic internet will be lost and everything will suck
Between Steam and Good Old Games I haven't been tempted to do that in a long while. Same with music and Lala/Amazon. GOG is DRM-free, too, so I can take my games and put'em on whatever computers I own, no bullshit keycodes or anything. Plus they throw in extras like soundtracks, pdf instruction manuals, wallpapers, etc.
Steam also builds its games and merchandise philosophy around the concept of digital content.
Episodic gaming, for example, can pretty much only prosper through digital distribution.
which is totally cool, except
it has limited installs
that pisses me right the fuck off
let me install my game as many times as i fucking want, you shits, it's my fucking game
i've gone through more than a few computers in my lifetime and had to do reformats and didn't always have the opportunity to properly uninstall and de-activate my games
if you have to use a code and connect to their server and log in every time you want to install it, solves your piracy problem right there.
jesus
limited installs on direct downloads is dogshit
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