I just realized I haven't played a single ganme of 40K since March....
Just goes to show what a timesink a new baby is. On th plus side' I have traded lots of miniatures I wasn't using for new stuff to paint when I can find the time.
Although my mother is visiting this weekend, maybe I can get in a quick Friday night game and sleep in on Saturday....
Alright someone is going to have to fill me in as to where people are getting these amazing dice. I can't find the link to them.
Speaking of which, I wasn't able to make up my mind about which die type I wanted, and the chessex bloke was kind enough to make me one of each. Which of the two do y'all like the best so I can narrow down my choices?
Oooh! Those turned out really well!
I think I like the gold.
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edited July 2009
I'm rather liking the gold too. The lustrous style of that die is a really nice look. I'm thinking the ninja/silver just doesn't quite work (they didn't have any black silver schemes for the custom dice that I liked besides that one)
If a Russ is moving at combat speed it can fire one weapon and all defensive weapons. Lumbering Behemoth says I can fire the turret weapon (in this case a battlecannon) + whatever weapons I would normally be able to fire. So Lets say that Russ has plasma cannon sponsons. Those aren't defensive weapons, but I can still fire a single non-defensive weapon. Does that count both sponsons or just one sponson?
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Gabriel_Pitt(effective against Russian warships)Registered Userregular
edited July 2009
Close enough to unanimous for me. Gold it is!
It matches my land raider.
If a Russ is moving at combat speed it can fire one weapon and all defensive weapons. Lumbering Behemoth says I can fire the turret weapon (in this case a battlecannon) + whatever weapons I would normally be able to fire. So Lets say that Russ has plasma cannon sponsons. Those aren't defensive weapons, but I can still fire a single non-defensive weapon. Does that count both sponsons or just one sponson?
As far as I'm aware, both sponsons always count as individual weapons for all cases but purchasing them.
Gabriel_Pitt(effective against Russian warships)Registered Userregular
edited July 2009
Well, silver matches the rhino
and I would've much preferred a black and silver die, but the mottled grey was the best looking set of that color available for custom dice, and I'm finding I like the more complex coloration of the other die better.
The following people are amazing and I love them: Wildcat, Timspork, Kias, Denada, susan, Sharp101, [GHSC]Ryctor, Matev, Matrias, ItBurns, Slapnuts, Dayspring, see317, and the unknown poster that sent me a box of Death Company! If you get them as Santees you should buy them amazing things!
One thing people very rarely consider is how much time playtesting takes. If GW internet geniuses had things there way, yes, we'd be lucky if we got one codex a year. Just ignoring rules development and testing, you'd end up with something like: IG - make an extreme tank, extreme infantry, and balanced list for 500, 750, 1k, 1.5k, 2k and 3k. Test each list against all other armies. Weigh the results, make alterations to the rules, and try again.
Quality of playtesting is also important. They ran Hard Boys, and so they have a list of the people who run the meanest lists with the meanest tactics. Have any of these people been brought on board? Of course not. Magic only made progress on this front by embracing it's abusers, so to speak.
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edited July 2009
God. I'm going to be buying some of the new Demolishers and Hellhounds, aren't I?
God. I'm going to be buying some of the new Demolishers and Hellhounds, aren't I?
I know where you can get a hellhound on the cheap! :winky::winky:
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So after crushing my friends as the attacker 3 times, my next game is defending. 3 or 4 objectives, 1 sky pad at 2500 pts. The attacker is space marines.
Oh, I'm sorry, I assumed that you were talking about a 2000 point list ~since that's about average for most big games~, Which requires 460 additional points to be sunk into minimum force organization, bringing the total up to 1805. But hey you want rez orbs, scythes and a destroyer body too don't you? so in total that comes up to 1935. With 65 points to spare, you can get yourself 3 more warriors or 5 scarab bases.
All of which leaves you with roughly 46 models and a phase out number of about 35. Not hard when you get assaulted by fisting jump marines, shot with battle cannons, out flanked by Genestealers, targeted with plamsa cannon devestator squads or mauled by arco flaggelants.
Not only was I talking abotu 2k points, but the destroyer-heavy force is infinitely more viable for actually winning games than a monolith trio, or pretty much most any other Necron army list out there, possibly barring one that trades destroyers for immortals.
I wish Pariahs were a good choice for Necrons. I'd love to run them, but Terminator points for something that ignores your fun rules and every gun gets instantly pointed at? Es no bueno.
Would anyone be up for a game through Vassal later this week? I'm just getting into the hobby and I want to try a few practice games before plunking down hundreds of dollars on little plastic men.
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Would anyone be up for a game through Vassal later this week? I'm just getting into the hobby and I want to try a few practice games before plunking down hundreds of dollars on little plastic men.
I thought Vassal was shuting down later this month or next?
I could tell you that space marines are the cheapest army to buy because of the shear number around you can buy
God. I'm going to be buying some of the new Demolishers and Hellhounds, aren't I?
I know where you can get a hellhound on the cheap! :winky::winky:
It's not a new one though.
Shhhhh
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Would anyone be up for a game through Vassal later this week? I'm just getting into the hobby and I want to try a few practice games before plunking down hundreds of dollars on little plastic men.
I thought Vassal was shuting down later this month or next?
I could tell you that space marines are the cheapest army to buy because of the shear number around you can buy
servers aren't shutting down.. just the website, and there will be no further updates, as I understand it
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So tonight we did a planet strike game I played against a friend of mine who had never played it before, I ended up pretty much destroying him without taking many casualties. After the game we were all discussing the way we use walls (count them as an intact building and have to destroy them to get to the bastions). Well the ork player when I went to give my opinion said "Ziac you have won every planet strike game" Now I don't think this discounts my opinion on it. I have won one defense and three attacks.
So PA here is the list I have been using, is it incredibly cheesy and my experience defending discounted? I know it is a strong list and I won't say its weak but is it a bit too much?
2000 Pts - Tyranids Roster - Unnamed
20 Gaunt Brood @ 160 Pts
Spinefists; Without Number
20 Gaunt Brood @ 160 Pts
Spinefists; Without Number
Total Roster Cost: 2000
Created with Army Builder
Copyright (c) 1997-2006 Lone Wolf Development, Inc. All rights reserved.
In one game I had 6000 points pretty much double this list with a LOT more genestealers. My general tactic is throw the gaunts out there quick, pick the board edge that gets me closest to the walls, and the bastions my close combat fex's run in and destroy it. My gaunts that are screening my stealers and tyrant move out against any defender units that are far away. Now when the gaunts die they come back on and head directly to lock down objectives.
Should the gaunts not die in time I throw a dakka fex to hold an objective while I continue pushing on the defenders. Now is my list winning these games? Is it cheesy? What are your experiences defending, like I said I have won one defending game and that was with a nid playing partner.
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edited July 2009
What kinds of walls are these that have to be destroyed to go through?
Hey SJ, did you have those leftover kroot bits I was looking for?
The grey things are the walls we use when we play at Mystery shadows house, we use corner building ruins as walls tonight at Johns house. But they count as the same.
So, my first time painting in a few years, and I was never good.
I've decided that I'm never really going to be a painter, so I'm going to be a dirty cheater and use this product to make my stuff not look like total crap.
I painted a test Ork Boy tonight to see about a color scheme. I think it's OK, but I'm not in love with it. Something is...missing, or off or something.
Before the dip:
After the dip (I would use a matte varnish when this finished drying; right now, it's just a test, so no reason to finish it):
The product does a better job than I was expecting. The problems I see in the picture are from me sucking at painting, which will hopefully get better in time.
Just looking at the color scheme, any comments on how to improve it? I'm going for an Evil Sunz themed army, so red is good.
If a Russ is moving at combat speed it can fire one weapon and all defensive weapons. Lumbering Behemoth says I can fire the turret weapon (in this case a battlecannon) + whatever weapons I would normally be able to fire. So Lets say that Russ has plasma cannon sponsons. Those aren't defensive weapons, but I can still fire a single non-defensive weapon. Does that count both sponsons or just one sponson?
As far as I'm aware, both sponsons always count as individual weapons for all cases but purchasing them.
Well, you destroy ONE sponson with a Weapon Destroyed result....
Plasma Weaponry is too high a Strength to be considered a DEFENSIVE weapon, so IMHO I would say you could fire ONE Sponson. Someone please correct me if my logic is flawed.
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edited July 2009
Each sponson counts as a seperate weapon, so yes, you could fire the turret, and then _one_ sponson.
I'm not sure if thats better or worse. I have kind of stopped watching this thread, mostly because by the time I get to it, and read all the new replies, I'm pages behind the times. If I want to reply to something I saw earlier, it feels kind of lame to drag up a post 4 pages back just to say "Hey, thats cool!"
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Paid him Monday. He shipped my dice Tuesday.
And now there is a pile of dice sitting on my table, being sexy.
Just goes to show what a timesink a new baby is. On th plus side' I have traded lots of miniatures I wasn't using for new stuff to paint when I can find the time.
Although my mother is visiting this weekend, maybe I can get in a quick Friday night game and sleep in on Saturday....
Well, I can hope.
Oooh! Those turned out really well!
I think I like the gold.
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If a Russ is moving at combat speed it can fire one weapon and all defensive weapons. Lumbering Behemoth says I can fire the turret weapon (in this case a battlecannon) + whatever weapons I would normally be able to fire. So Lets say that Russ has plasma cannon sponsons. Those aren't defensive weapons, but I can still fire a single non-defensive weapon. Does that count both sponsons or just one sponson?
It matches my land raider.
As far as I'm aware, both sponsons always count as individual weapons for all cases but purchasing them.
3ds friend code: 2981-6032-4118
Quality of playtesting is also important. They ran Hard Boys, and so they have a list of the people who run the meanest lists with the meanest tactics. Have any of these people been brought on board? Of course not. Magic only made progress on this front by embracing it's abusers, so to speak.
I know where you can get a hellhound on the cheap! :winky::winky:
This is what I'm thinking of taking. Thoughts?
- edit -
I was organizing my web server the other night and realized I've stock piled a lot of lists over the past few years.
http://shiftedmatrix.com/lists/
I like how you can watch the progression of my ork army :P
Not only was I talking abotu 2k points, but the destroyer-heavy force is infinitely more viable for actually winning games than a monolith trio, or pretty much most any other Necron army list out there, possibly barring one that trades destroyers for immortals.
or a SAG?
oh god I am not good at battlefield
Oh damn. I forgot to buy the KFF. Fixed that by dropping a Git for points.
I thought Vassal was shuting down later this month or next?
I could tell you that space marines are the cheapest army to buy because of the shear number around you can buy
Shhhhh
servers aren't shutting down.. just the website, and there will be no further updates, as I understand it
So PA here is the list I have been using, is it incredibly cheesy and my experience defending discounted? I know it is a strong list and I won't say its weak but is it a bit too much?
2000 Pts - Tyranids Roster - Unnamed
20 Gaunt Brood @ 160 Pts
Spinefists; Without Number
1 Carnifex @ 204 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Bonded Exoskeleton; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Toxin Sacs +1 St; Tusked; Crushing Claws; Scything Talons (x1)
1 Carnifex @ 214 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Bonded Exoskeleton; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Reinforced Chitin; Tail Weapon - Scythe; Toxin Sacs +1 St; Tusked; Crushing Claws; Scything Talons (x1)
1 Carnifex @ 172 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Bonded Exoskeleton; Reinforced Chitin; Tail Weapon - Scythe; Toxin Sacs +1 St; Tusked; Scything Talons (x2)
1 Carnifex @ 113 Pts
Scything Talons (x1); Barbed Strangler
1 Carnifex @ 113 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Twin-linked Devourer (x2)
1 Carnifex @ 113 Pts
Enhanced Senses +1 BS; Twin-linked Devourer (x2)
8 Genestealers @ 200 Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Feeder Tendrils; Rending Claws; Scything Talons
8 Genestealers @ 200 Pts
Extended Carapace +1 Save; Feeder Tendrils; Rending Claws; Scything Talons
1 Hive Tyrant @ 197 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Toxin Sacs +1 St; Winged; Scything Talons (x2); Synapse Creature; The Horror; Warp Field
1 Hive Tyrant @ 154 Pts
Adrenal Glands +1 In; Adrenal Glands +1 WS; Extended Carapace +1 Save; Toxin Sacs +1 St; Lash Whip & Bonesword; Scything Talons (x1); Synapse Creature; The Horror
20 Gaunt Brood @ 160 Pts
Spinefists; Without Number
Total Roster Cost: 2000
Created with Army Builder
Copyright (c) 1997-2006 Lone Wolf Development, Inc. All rights reserved.
In one game I had 6000 points pretty much double this list with a LOT more genestealers. My general tactic is throw the gaunts out there quick, pick the board edge that gets me closest to the walls, and the bastions my close combat fex's run in and destroy it. My gaunts that are screening my stealers and tyrant move out against any defender units that are far away. Now when the gaunts die they come back on and head directly to lock down objectives.
Should the gaunts not die in time I throw a dakka fex to hold an objective while I continue pushing on the defenders. Now is my list winning these games? Is it cheesy? What are your experiences defending, like I said I have won one defending game and that was with a nid playing partner.
Hey SJ, did you have those leftover kroot bits I was looking for?
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/PlanetStrike1/01011462.JPG.html
The grey things are the walls we use when we play at Mystery shadows house, we use corner building ruins as walls tonight at Johns house. But they count as the same.
I've decided that I'm never really going to be a painter, so I'm going to be a dirty cheater and use this product to make my stuff not look like total crap.
I painted a test Ork Boy tonight to see about a color scheme. I think it's OK, but I'm not in love with it. Something is...missing, or off or something.
Before the dip:
After the dip (I would use a matte varnish when this finished drying; right now, it's just a test, so no reason to finish it):
The product does a better job than I was expecting. The problems I see in the picture are from me sucking at painting, which will hopefully get better in time.
Just looking at the color scheme, any comments on how to improve it? I'm going for an Evil Sunz themed army, so red is good.
Thanks!
that brings back some memories
Well, you destroy ONE sponson with a Weapon Destroyed result....
Plasma Weaponry is too high a Strength to be considered a DEFENSIVE weapon, so IMHO I would say you could fire ONE Sponson. Someone please correct me if my logic is flawed.
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Monsterous Creatures don't seem to be too bad a choice....
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Shiiiiit, I forgot to look today and I'm not at home. I will check tomorrow though!
More like 49 hours, so closer to 2 days. :P
"In the 44th Millennium there is only Tyranid"
*list of extinct prey species*
I'm not sure if thats better or worse. I have kind of stopped watching this thread, mostly because by the time I get to it, and read all the new replies, I'm pages behind the times. If I want to reply to something I saw earlier, it feels kind of lame to drag up a post 4 pages back just to say "Hey, thats cool!"
Total bummer dude.
Edit: Very weak Top of the Page.