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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    Weaver was also in the Army

    he doesn't boast about how many dudes he killed, instead he tends to mention how sometimes he wakes up trying to strangle his wife because he's still dealing with the shit he did and saw

    but then by taranis' standards he probably wasn't a real man either

    When the fuck did I say someone with PTSD wasn't a real man, faggot? I have plenty of friends that that has happened to. So eat a motherfucking dick.

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Nostregar wrote: »
    That post was very nice bit pretty much irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is mentality about murder.

    Upon further consideration, I think the only people who are enthusiastic about murder in the military are a.) the people who have never done it and b.) the people who have and who have to convince themselves that it wasn't a big deal by joking about it.

    I know this turned really serious and that I won't win this argument, I just find it offensive that you believe the military are all such horrible people that they WANT to kill.

    Edit: Not you, Dru.

    Hmmm.

    I was talking about how the mentality of killing is different in the Infantry than in POG land. Irrelevant? No. How an infantryman feels about killing is different than how a POG feels. So not the whole military. I didn't even say everyone in the infantry felt like that.

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Ol' Sparky wrote: »
    if you enjoy soldiering and being a soldier, that's fine

    i think its a totally different thing to not fundamentally understand that even if it was the lesser of two evils, even if it was for a good cause, killing is fundamentally evil and so is war

    Killing is not fundamentally evil. Killing is an action with no context. It's not correct to label things as good or evil without context.

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    Weaver was also in the Army

    he doesn't boast about how many dudes he killed, instead he tends to mention how sometimes he wakes up trying to strangle his wife because he's still dealing with the shit he did and saw

    but then by taranis' standards he probably wasn't a real man either

    To be fair, he is a socialist faggot.

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Taranis wrote: »
    Nostregar wrote: »
    That post was very nice bit pretty much irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is mentality about murder.

    Upon further consideration, I think the only people who are enthusiastic about murder in the military are a.) the people who have never done it and b.) the people who have and who have to convince themselves that it wasn't a big deal by joking about it.

    I know this turned really serious and that I won't win this argument, I just find it offensive that you believe the military are all such horrible people that they WANT to kill.

    Edit: Not you, Dru.

    Hmmm.

    I was talking about how the mentality of killing is different in the Infantry than in POG land. Irrelevant? No. How an infantryman feels about killing is different than how a POG feels. So not the whole military. I didn't even say everyone in the infantry felt like that.

    So what you're saying is "the infantry (or a portion of them) enjoy killing, but you can't contradict me by citing examples from other branches because the infantry are special and unique"

    Ok. I know I can't possibly argue with you because you'll pretty much disregard anything anybody says and just say NUH UH I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU

    I'm going to go kick a kitten

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    So did we ever find out which merit badge is the blue rifle horseshoe award?

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    It's a CIB. Combat Infantryman's Badge

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  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    No, apparently no one in this thread knows despite the fact i was told they all did.

    Edit: Or yes, because someone said so while i was posting.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Taranis wrote: »
    It's a CIB. Combat Infantryman's Badge

    They still handing those out when you get off the plane?

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    TheStig wrote: »
    Taranis wrote: »
    It's a CIB. Combat Infantryman's Badge

    They still handing those out when you get off the plane?

    I've never heard of that happening and doubt it ever has. You're probably thinking about the combat patch.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Really? I got mine then earned it later. Well I got it when some other company in the battalion earned theirs. I'm not sure why we got it but, yeah... woulda eventually got it legitimately anyway.

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Nostregar wrote: »
    While you may want to believe that there was something special about the part of the military you were in, so does everyone else in the military. What it comes down to, though, is that you're all defending a country. You do it in different ways and with different equipment. Some of you are in more immediate personal danger than others. It doesn't matter. Being willing to kill and enjoying killing are two entirely different things.

    I'm not saying you don't know anything about "the infantry", I'm saying that no matter who you are or what your job is, enjoying murder makes you a sociopath.

    See what I did there? I said murder, not "killing". Calling it killing makes it seem like some clean act. Murder is what it is. You're killing a man. We allow it because it's war (for some reason) but it's still murder.

    I actually take issue with this post. Obviously Taranis is either really, really stupid or a troll. The point I want to argue is that you are saying it is all murder. It most definitely is not. It is homicide, yes, but not murder. I believe it is a very important distinction to make.

    Killing a person in self defense is not murder. Killing somebody because you don't like them is murder. Killing somebody in combat who is wearing the uniform of an opposing army is not murder. To be sure, it is not a good thing. But it is often necessary. ( kind of. I think you get the general idea of what I am trying to say. )

    edit: Seriously? Posting pictures of medals you may or may not have?

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  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Art, I always liked you.

    Also, the stig, what are you views on what is happening with this argument?

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    TheStig wrote: »
    Really? I got mine then earned it later. Well I got it when some other company in the battalion earned theirs. I'm not sure why we got it but, yeah... woulda eventually got it legitimately anyway.

    I've heard of some units in the early years of OIF getting theirs as soon as their battalion took contact. When I was there the MND-N and MND-B commanders wouldn't sign off on a 4187 (unless it's a different form used in country, I don't remember) unless it was accompanied by 2 sworn statements describing the events that warranted the award. So everyone everyone that got theirs when I was in country got it legitimately. It's another story with CAB's though.

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Melding wrote: »
    Art, I always liked you.

    Also, the stig, what are you views on what is happening with this argument?

    Honestly I haven't been paying attention to it. I just saw the CIB and thought I'd throw in the old "didja ern it?" joke/remark.

    Umm... I read a little. Right, not all killing is murder, but I think if you go into an area where you know dudes are going to try to kill you and you go in there only to kill dudes that are going to try to kill you, like you're not there shipping goods or whatever then you're probably a murderer. If you're actually going there of your own free will and not some sort of government operation I mean.

    Also if you're sailing into an area that you don't really know, picking a deadly fight with dudes that have been doing this their whole life while you sat around trading stocks or whatever then you're probably an idiot.

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    That is the only purpose of acronyms.

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Artreus wrote: »
    Nostregar wrote: »
    While you may want to believe that there was something special about the part of the military you were in, so does everyone else in the military. What it comes down to, though, is that you're all defending a country. You do it in different ways and with different equipment. Some of you are in more immediate personal danger than others. It doesn't matter. Being willing to kill and enjoying killing are two entirely different things.

    I'm not saying you don't know anything about "the infantry", I'm saying that no matter who you are or what your job is, enjoying murder makes you a sociopath.

    See what I did there? I said murder, not "killing". Calling it killing makes it seem like some clean act. Murder is what it is. You're killing a man. We allow it because it's war (for some reason) but it's still murder.

    I actually take issue with this post. Obviously Taranis is either really, really stupid or a troll. The point I want to argue is that you are saying it is all murder. It most definitely is not. It is homicide, yes, but not murder. I believe it is a very important distinction to make.

    Killing a person in self defense is not murder. Killing somebody because you don't like them is murder. Killing somebody in combat who is wearing the uniform of an opposing army is not murder. To be sure, it is not a good thing. But it is often necessary. ( kind of. I think you get the general idea of what I am trying to say. )

    edit: Seriously? Posting pictures of medals you may or may not have?


    I dunno, I think killing in self defense is still murder and I think the legal definition says the same, though I may be mistaken. To my knowledge, many states don't even allow the murder in self defense argument.

    I think we just have different definitions of what qualifies as murder.

    Also how is war not "killing someone you don't like"? I mean, I get what you're saying and I don't really expect an answer (I'm going to bed now, so whatever). I can totally understand an argument for why war isn't murder, I just think that it eventually boils down to the same thing and we should call it what it is.

    But this is not D&D so I don't know if it is appropriate to debate that here. I'm willing to concede that by your definition, war isn't murder. However, I use a different definition where murder basically equals "knowingly and intentionally killing another person", so war falls under that. Does that seem fair?

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    No that's actually an army thing. They speak in acronyms, it took me like 2 years to get over it. Though I don't know MND-N/B are.

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    I was thinking the exact same thing. Glad somebody else agrees.

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  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    Nostregar wrote: »
    I dunno, I think killing in self defense is still murder and I think the legal definition says the same, though I may be mistaken. To my knowledge, many states don't even allow the murder in self defense argument.

    unfortunately, "to your knowledge" is pretty much the opposite of "what is actually true"

    so, maybe you should do some research before you open your mouth about things you don't know about

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Nostregar wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    Nostregar wrote: »
    While you may want to believe that there was something special about the part of the military you were in, so does everyone else in the military. What it comes down to, though, is that you're all defending a country. You do it in different ways and with different equipment. Some of you are in more immediate personal danger than others. It doesn't matter. Being willing to kill and enjoying killing are two entirely different things.

    I'm not saying you don't know anything about "the infantry", I'm saying that no matter who you are or what your job is, enjoying murder makes you a sociopath.

    See what I did there? I said murder, not "killing". Calling it killing makes it seem like some clean act. Murder is what it is. You're killing a man. We allow it because it's war (for some reason) but it's still murder.

    I actually take issue with this post. Obviously Taranis is either really, really stupid or a troll. The point I want to argue is that you are saying it is all murder. It most definitely is not. It is homicide, yes, but not murder. I believe it is a very important distinction to make.

    Killing a person in self defense is not murder. Killing somebody because you don't like them is murder. Killing somebody in combat who is wearing the uniform of an opposing army is not murder. To be sure, it is not a good thing. But it is often necessary. ( kind of. I think you get the general idea of what I am trying to say. )

    edit: Seriously? Posting pictures of medals you may or may not have?


    I dunno, I think killing in self defense is still murder and I think the legal definition says the same, though I may be mistaken. To my knowledge, many states don't even allow the murder in self defense argument.

    I think we just have different definitions of what qualifies as murder.

    Also how is war not "killing someone you don't like"? I mean, I get what you're saying and I don't really expect an answer (I'm going to bed now, so whatever). I can totally understand an argument for why war isn't murder, I just think that it eventually boils down to the same thing and we should call it what it is.

    But this is not D&D so I don't know if it is appropriate to debate that here. I'm willing to concede that by your definition, war isn't murder. However, I use a different definition where murder basically equals "knowingly and intentionally killing another person", so war falls under that. Does that seem fair?

    noun
    1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
    2. Slang. something extremely difficult or perilous: That final exam was murder!
    3. a group or flock of crows.

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    TheStig wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    No that's actually an army thing. They speak in acronyms, it took me like 2 years to get over it. Though I don't know MND-N/B are.

    Multi National Division- North
    Multi National Division-Baghdad

    Edit: Honestly it takes a concentrated effort not talk in acronyms and army slang once you've been in.

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Nostregar wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    Nostregar wrote: »
    While you may want to believe that there was something special about the part of the military you were in, so does everyone else in the military. What it comes down to, though, is that you're all defending a country. You do it in different ways and with different equipment. Some of you are in more immediate personal danger than others. It doesn't matter. Being willing to kill and enjoying killing are two entirely different things.

    I'm not saying you don't know anything about "the infantry", I'm saying that no matter who you are or what your job is, enjoying murder makes you a sociopath.

    See what I did there? I said murder, not "killing". Calling it killing makes it seem like some clean act. Murder is what it is. You're killing a man. We allow it because it's war (for some reason) but it's still murder.

    I actually take issue with this post. Obviously Taranis is either really, really stupid or a troll. The point I want to argue is that you are saying it is all murder. It most definitely is not. It is homicide, yes, but not murder. I believe it is a very important distinction to make.

    Killing a person in self defense is not murder. Killing somebody because you don't like them is murder. Killing somebody in combat who is wearing the uniform of an opposing army is not murder. To be sure, it is not a good thing. But it is often necessary. ( kind of. I think you get the general idea of what I am trying to say. )

    edit: Seriously? Posting pictures of medals you may or may not have?


    I dunno, I think killing in self defense is still murder and I think the legal definition says the same, though I may be mistaken. To my knowledge, many states don't even allow the murder in self defense argument.

    I think we just have different definitions of what qualifies as murder.

    Also how is war not "killing someone you don't like"? I mean, I get what you're saying and I don't really expect an answer (I'm going to bed now, so whatever). I can totally understand an argument for why war isn't murder, I just think that it eventually boils down to the same thing and we should call it what it is.

    But this is not D&D so I don't know if it is appropriate to debate that here. I'm willing to concede that by your definition, war isn't murder. However, I use a different definition where murder basically equals "knowingly and intentionally killing another person", so war falls under that. Does that seem fair?

    If you go by your definition, fair enough. But I believe your definition is flawed. I think you underestimate how widely self defense is allowed re: killing. There are laws about excessive force, and there are gray areas here and there. However, in general, if somebody is attempting to harm/kill you and in the act of defending yourself you kill them, it is not murder.

    As far as war not killing someone you don't like.. I was saying just going out and killing somebody that pissed you off. That is obviously murder, premeditated and all that. In war, sure you might not like the other guys, but that kind of misses the point of what I was trying to say. Your main purpose is generally serving your country. Not killing another person, unless you are fucked up e.g Taranis. A lot of this goes into some pretty gray areas.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Taranis wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    No that's actually an army thing. They speak in acronyms, it took me like 2 years to get over it. Though I don't know MND-N/B are.

    Multi National Division- North
    Multi National Division-Baghdad

    Ah, yeah. I don't think they had those when I was in. I was in during the first invasion. Back when you could shoot dudes for driving at your checkpoint too fast and not get in trouble for it.

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    TheStig wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    No that's actually an army thing. They speak in acronyms, it took me like 2 years to get over it. Though I don't know MND-N/B are.

    Yeah it is a thing, I was in AFROTC. However, it being a thing in the army and him using it does not mean he has actually served at all. It is entirely possible that he is using that to make us think that he is in the Army.

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    TheStig wrote: »
    Taranis wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    No that's actually an army thing. They speak in acronyms, it took me like 2 years to get over it. Though I don't know MND-N/B are.

    Multi National Division- North
    Multi National Division-Baghdad

    Ah, yeah. I don't think they had those when I was in. I was in during the first invasion. Back when you could shoot dudes for driving at your checkpoint too fast and not get in trouble for it.

    Yeah I was there during the surge. You can still do that and the media will still bitch about it.

    Artreus wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    No that's actually an army thing. They speak in acronyms, it took me like 2 years to get over it. Though I don't know MND-N/B are.

    Yeah it is a thing, I was in AFROTC. However, it being a thing in the army and him using it does not mean he has actually served at all. It is entirely possible that he is using that to make us think that he is in the Army.

    This is why I have done my best to continue this conversation without stating that I had been in the Army. I can't conclusive prove that I was in the Army over the internet. I said this a few pages back. I can post pictures of myself in Iraq all day long, but that would prove nothing.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Artreus wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    Also is anyone else catching the fact that he is throwing out acronyms left and right to make it look like he knows more than he does?

    No that's actually an army thing. They speak in acronyms, it took me like 2 years to get over it. Though I don't know MND-N/B are.

    Yeah it is a thing, I was in AFROTC. However, it being a thing in the army and him using it does not mean he has actually served at all. It is entirely possible that he is using that to make us think that he is in the Army.

    Is that something to brag about?
    "Hey dudes, I'm so awesome, after I dropped out of school I signed up for one of the shittiest jobs on the planet for 20k a year. Bet you're all jealous"

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    AFROTC

    AFRO Training Corps

    they teach you to be an afro

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    AFROTC

    AFRO Training Corps

    they teach you to be an afro

    This is their top agent.
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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I am way bummed that I had to leave it because I got the depressions. Graduating as a second lieutenant would have been neat.

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  • JC of DIJC of DI I think we're fucked up. I know I am.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Artreus wrote: »
    I am way bummed that I had to leave it because I got the depressions. Graduating as a second lieutenant would have been neat.

    I mean, plus you missed out on the best part of killing dudes.

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Is the new definition of trolling "Posting in such a manner that could offend anyone anywhere"?. I can't help that you don't like what I have to say, but that shouldn't stop me from saying it. My intention isn't to offend, but to "chat".

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  • JC of DIJC of DI I think we're fucked up. I know I am.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    "Hey dude, how's your day been?"

    "Oh fine, fine. Still ain't killed a dude so I'm kinda bummed out."

    "Oh well of course."

    A lovely conversation.

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    JC of DI wrote: »
    "Hey dude, how's your day been?"

    "Oh fine, fine. Still ain't killed a dude so I'm kinda bummed out."

    "Oh well of course."

    A lovely conversation.

    I'm not the one who made this thread.

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Nostregar wrote: »
    I dunno, I think killing in self defense is still murder and I think the legal definition says the same, though I may be mistaken. To my knowledge, many states don't even allow the murder in self defense argument.

    unfortunately, "to your knowledge" is pretty much the opposite of "what is actually true"

    so, maybe you should do some research before you open your mouth about things you don't know about

    I said "to my knowledge" because I wasn't sure. I was allowing the possibility of correction if I was wrong.

    Though I just did some research because I was going from memory before. Pretty much everything I found said that it varies by state. It seems that in general you are correct, but some states don't allow it. Having a hard time finding which ones, though. It's also weird because federally it seems to be allowed, but everything keeps saying "some states don't allow that defense". Maybe they just mean some states make it harder to make it apply? I don't know. Either way, that's where me thinking that came from.
    noun
    1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
    2. Slang. something extremely difficult or perilous: That final exam was murder!
    3. a group or flock of crows.

    All depends which dictionary you use.

    Verb 1. murder - kill intentionally and with premeditation

    Many of the definitions include a stipulation that it must be unlawful killing as well, but not all of them.


    t Artreus: I think our difference of opinion really just falls in one of those grey areas. I still consider killing in self defense to be murder in most cases, though I'm willing to imagine some cases where I wouldn't (if the killing is accidental, for example). On the "killing someone you don't like" thing, I think that's also just another difference of opinion. I think all war pretty much amounts to killing people you don't like and/or disagree with, so there's that.

    Edit: Really going to bed now so will reply to anything in the morning.

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  • Dr.FunkensteinDr.Funkenstein Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    TheStig wrote: »
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    AFROTC

    AFRO Training Corps

    they teach you to be an afro

    This is their top agent.
    undercoverbrother4-1.jpg

    This movie owned

    SO MUCH

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Murder means unlawful killing. Killing which doesn't violate the Laws of War, is therefore not murder.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Who writes the laws of war?

    Other than Hideo Kojima

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Who writes the laws of war?

    Other than Hideo Kojima

    I don't know. I'd assume they're derived from the geneva convention though.

    Taranis on
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