Wait...was that Lucca thing ever confirmed? I remember something about a time distortion or some crap.
I think there was a (End spoilers for CC/CT)
massive cop-out at the end, depending on the ending you get in CC, where they basically go "olol everything's back to normal, and the original cast is alive".
Take that with a grain of salt, however. I remember reading it on a wikipedia page somewhere.
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I bought this the other day used at Gamestop for about 17 bucks. And I have to say I feel ashamed for not playing it sooner. Frog is probably one of my new favorite characters in a video game. The way he left the castle and his theme started playing was epic.
So the only ending I have left to get is the second one. Which is the
(Late-game spoilers)
Kill Lavos before reviving Crono
Ending.
Am I crazy to think maybe they could have tried making the ending log, uh, have the endings instead of a single picture of them? I mean, I know there's a couple variations with a couple of the endings, but come on.
My other gripe (well, one of them) with the remake is the stupid Arena.
In a game where NG+ is a pretty big freaking deal, one of the new things that they add is tied to your file, yet resets everytime you start a new game. I mean, after a certain point, I realize, you kind of stop NG+ing and maybe just start a new file, but at that point, you've probably NG+ed a few times. So you've realized that the Arena keeps resetting, so by that point, you're probably not interested in bothering.
It's not an important addition by any means, but the poor execution on top of that just makes me wonder why the hell they even bothered.
I mean, the base game is still there and still good. The story is there (mostly unmarred) and everything, so the game itself is still wonderful. But all the extra shit they shoved in (Most of it was shoved in for FF Chronicles, I realize, but especially the Dimensional Vortex and the Lost Goddamned Sanctum) just seems completely unnecessary and underthought.
Wait, it's been a while since I've played, but can't you start a New Game+ on a new file, rather than overwriting your original one?
You load a New Game + from an old save file, but once Crono exits his home, you can save that game in a brand new save slot. You don't have to overwrite your first, old, game slot.
I'm currently on my third play through, just hitting up 1999AD every chance I can, for all the endings.
So I fired this up again and remembered a plot dilemma in Chrono Trigger that I never quite figured out, and I need an explanation.
So you get the "cannon" ending at the end of the game and everything is hunky dory but... what is the original cause of the gates? In the robo/lucca sidequest in the forest they toss out a couple hypotheses, then just ignore that for the rest of the game. Did I just completely miss something or is it left totally unresolved?
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So I fired this up again and remembered a plot dilemma in Chrono Trigger that I never quite figured out, and I need an explanation.
So you get the "cannon" ending at the end of the game and everything is hunky dory but... what is the original cause of the gates? In the robo/lucca sidequest in the forest they toss out a couple hypotheses, then just ignore that for the rest of the game. Did I just completely miss something or is it left totally unresolved?
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I don't think it's ever explained, nor does it need to be. It's like in Quantum Leap, you know....God or time or whatever you want to call it created the gates.
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So I fired this up again and remembered a plot dilemma in Chrono Trigger that I never quite figured out, and I need an explanation.
So you get the "cannon" ending at the end of the game and everything is hunky dory but... what is the original cause of the gates? In the robo/lucca sidequest in the forest they toss out a couple hypotheses, then just ignore that for the rest of the game. Did I just completely miss something or is it left totally unresolved?
I think it's left intentionally ambiguous.
One of the biggest theories is that the planet is a living entity and it intentionally created the Gates knowing that Crono and co. would use them to save it.
that Lucca's teleporter, being by its very nature a bender of time and space, created the first gate as some sort of anomaly. Of course, when Marle got sucked into it, it set off a sequence of paradoxical shit that created increasing numbers of gates in a ripple effect.
Of course, that theory is mostly composed of bullshit, but it's time travel. :P
that Lucca's teleporter, being by its very nature a bender of time and space, created the first gate as some sort of anomaly. Of course, when Marle got sucked into it, it set off a sequence of paradoxical shit that created increasing numbers of gates in a ripple effect.
Of course, that theory is mostly composed of bullshit, but it's time travel. :P
She didn't create the first gate, IIRC the first one was the one that sent Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar across time.
that Lucca's teleporter, being by its very nature a bender of time and space, created the first gate as some sort of anomaly. Of course, when Marle got sucked into it, it set off a sequence of paradoxical shit that created increasing numbers of gates in a ripple effect.
Of course, that theory is mostly composed of bullshit, but it's time travel. :P
She didn't create the first gate, IIRC the first one was the one that sent Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar across time.
the funny thing about time though, is that event b doesn't necessarily happen because of action a
so you could do something today
that could cause an effect 20 million years ago, you know?
Actually I always thought that the gates were caused by:
Lavs, and that it's very existence causes temporal warps, hence why the final version has you flipping through time. Every period of time was signifigant to Lavos, well, except for 1000 ad, but the pendent reacted to create that gate, rather than just open an already existing one.
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You guys do know that this is directly addressed in the game, right?
After you leave Robo to be a farmer for 400 years, he's all "you know, I don't think the gates were created by Lavos, but by some kind of entity that wanted us to see all this shit."
And then at the end of the game, Lucca or Marle says "I think the entity that made the gates is at rest" or something.
Ambiguous, yes, but not that ambiguous. Or you can assume that the characters are just talking out their asses for the sake of it.
Besides, the Lavos theory breaks down with the gates to 1,000 AD and 990 AD.
In the 11th Century, a scientist
by the name of Lucca indicated the
possibility of time travel through
the use of a '"Time Egg,"' which
utilizes miniature black holes.
Whether this could actually be
possible or not is still the
subject of intense debate and
no conclusions have been made.
According to her theory, by
rotating a single point of
supergravity, space-time
continua can be drawn in...
thus making it possible to
transform that singular point
which pulls in everything else,
into a ring formation.
Using this ring as a Gate
between dimensions, it should
be possible to travel back and
forth between various space-time.
I just started playing this on DS over the weekend for the first time. I love this thread but I need to not come in here. I can not resist the spoilers.
Great game though.
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I finally picked this up last month and started playing it this weekend. The only version I'd played previously was the much-reviled one on the Final Fantasy Anthology. I wasn't too bothered by the issues in that version since I had never played the original, but I'll never be able to go back to it.
I don't think I'd made it too far when I was playing that version, but I've not made it to that point in the DS game yet. I'm in 600 AD with Robo and Lucca in my party and Marle hanging back in the End of Time.
You guys do know that this is directly addressed in the game, right?
After you leave Robo to be a farmer for 400 years, he's all "you know, I don't think the gates were created by Lavos, but by some kind of entity that wanted us to see all this shit."
And then at the end of the game, Lucca or Marle says "I think the entity that made the gates is at rest" or something.
Ambiguous, yes, but not that ambiguous. Or you can assume that the characters are just talking out their asses for the sake of it.
Besides, the Lavos theory breaks down with the gates to 1,000 AD and 990 AD.
I'm pretty sure they address this in no uncertain terms during the campfire scene
When someone dies, they supposedly see their life flash before their eyes. "Mother Earth" is about to die because of lavos, so her life flashing before her eyes is manifesting itself in those portals, and you were meant to take them to see what happened, and perhaps to avert it.
You guys do know that this is directly addressed in the game, right?
After you leave Robo to be a farmer for 400 years, he's all "you know, I don't think the gates were created by Lavos, but by some kind of entity that wanted us to see all this shit."
And then at the end of the game, Lucca or Marle says "I think the entity that made the gates is at rest" or something.
Ambiguous, yes, but not that ambiguous. Or you can assume that the characters are just talking out their asses for the sake of it.
Besides, the Lavos theory breaks down with the gates to 1,000 AD and 990 AD.
I'm pretty sure they address this in no uncertain terms during the campfire scene
When someone dies, they supposedly see their life flash before their eyes. "Mother Earth" is about to die because of lavos, so her life flashing before her eyes is manifesting itself in those portals, and you were meant to take them to see what happened, and perhaps to avert it.
Well they also preface that as another possible option and not a fact.
End result: Nobody really knows. The group had a couple of theories, but nothing is ever really confirmed. I actually kind of like that they leave it ambiguous like that, since in the end it doesn't really have all that much effect on the plot. Not like say the "What happened to Schala" question the original game used to have.
Although... Chrono Cross does put a spin on the "Mother Earth's life flashing before her eyes" theory. Doesn't the planet itself hate humanity?. I thought it was explained in game that the Reptite future is the one it likes the most. Especially since when Chronopolis gets shunted back to the past, the planet responds by sending Dinopolis back with it. So the planet hates humanity, why make the gates so humanity can save it?
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"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
The planet is pretty tired of humanity due to the events of Chrono Cross, and that event (Chronopolis being sent back) occurred way after the events of Chrono Trigger. It is only because of the meddling of Belthasar that the Earth hates people.
The planet is pretty tired of humanity due to the events of Chrono Cross, and that event (Chronopolis being sent back) occurred way after the events of Chrono Trigger. It is only because of the meddling of Belthasar that the Earth hates people.
I assumed that that excuse was the Reptites and the dragon gods self-serving excuse for their actions, "we hate the humans, and since we are on the side of the earth, the earth hates humans too."
I always expected that if there were another sequel, we would have a scene where the reptites and other "champions of the earth" would suffer a very serious wake-up call about their actions. Remember when Azala tried to destroy humanity with a Black Tyranno? Fate sided with the "apes." That alone should tell them what's going on. And this was before Lavos fell and "forcibly evolved" humanity (which strikes me as another self-serving lie).
I seem to recall a bit in Chrono Cross in Fort Dragonia IIRC where it goes on about humanity
becoming "alien" once it had contact with Lavos. It was at this point that the planet "turned" against them. Of course, this is a possibly biased source so large grains of salt may be in order.
As for Wolfman's question about gate creation:
I figure it's a case of "desperate times call for desperate measures" and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" on the planet's part. Humans were the only thing available to save itself so they're the ones who get to use the gates. Although it would've been interesting to see a party of Reptites from 65,000,000 BC jumping around time in their own quest to stop Lavos...
We just saved the planet's continental ass. It fucking owes us, so it can damn well stop being a whiny bitch.
...OK, so we DID end up turning Lavos into a multidimensional unkillable being that's devouring the known time-space continuum. Nobody's perfect. Like the dinosaurs could have done better. :P
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"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
We just saved the planet's continental ass. It fucking owes us, so it can damn well stop being a whiny bitch.
...OK, so we DID end up turning Lavos into a multidimensional unkillable being that's devouring the known time-space continuum. Nobody's perfect. Like the dinosaurs could have done better. :P
It's not our fault.
The planet just took 65,000,000 years to finally decide to let our heroes do something about it.
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You mean Lucca
I think there was a (End spoilers for CC/CT)
Take that with a grain of salt, however. I remember reading it on a wikipedia page somewhere.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
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Just one more Double Tech before bed
"oh hey the telepod has something in it, did I miss a capsule or somethiOHHHHH SHIIIIIIIT"
That's like, 5 hours of sleep. I usually only get 6 a night....
Wimp...
I never really obsessed over getting all the techs. I pretty much just went with the flow.
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Which ending in CC was it?
Yes, they do.
(Late-game spoilers)
Ending.
Am I crazy to think maybe they could have tried making the ending log, uh, have the endings instead of a single picture of them? I mean, I know there's a couple variations with a couple of the endings, but come on.
My other gripe (well, one of them) with the remake is the stupid Arena.
In a game where NG+ is a pretty big freaking deal, one of the new things that they add is tied to your file, yet resets everytime you start a new game. I mean, after a certain point, I realize, you kind of stop NG+ing and maybe just start a new file, but at that point, you've probably NG+ed a few times. So you've realized that the Arena keeps resetting, so by that point, you're probably not interested in bothering.
It's not an important addition by any means, but the poor execution on top of that just makes me wonder why the hell they even bothered.
I mean, the base game is still there and still good. The story is there (mostly unmarred) and everything, so the game itself is still wonderful. But all the extra shit they shoved in (Most of it was shoved in for FF Chronicles, I realize, but especially the Dimensional Vortex and the Lost Goddamned Sanctum) just seems completely unnecessary and underthought.
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I'm currently on my third play through, just hitting up 1999AD every chance I can, for all the endings.
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I don't think it's ever explained, nor does it need to be. It's like in Quantum Leap, you know....God or time or whatever you want to call it created the gates.
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But even that is hardly set in stone.
Of course, that theory is mostly composed of bullshit, but it's time travel. :P
again. Ah well.
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the funny thing about time though, is that event b doesn't necessarily happen because of action a
so you could do something today
that could cause an effect 20 million years ago, you know?
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And then at the end of the game, Lucca or Marle says "I think the entity that made the gates is at rest" or something.
Ambiguous, yes, but not that ambiguous. Or you can assume that the characters are just talking out their asses for the sake of it.
Besides, the Lavos theory breaks down with the gates to 1,000 AD and 990 AD.
"who was it?"
"eh, who cares really"
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There. We're done forever.
In that it eliminates the only thing in the game that could have done it. They're all but saying "Uh, yeah, God/Terra/The Planet/Zeus did it."
by the name of Lucca indicated the
possibility of time travel through
the use of a '"Time Egg,"' which
utilizes miniature black holes.
Whether this could actually be
possible or not is still the
subject of intense debate and
no conclusions have been made.
According to her theory, by
rotating a single point of
supergravity, space-time
continua can be drawn in...
thus making it possible to
transform that singular point
which pulls in everything else,
into a ring formation.
Using this ring as a Gate
between dimensions, it should
be possible to travel back and
forth between various space-time.
From Chrono Cross on the Gates.
Great game though.
I don't think I'd made it too far when I was playing that version, but I've not made it to that point in the DS game yet. I'm in 600 AD with Robo and Lucca in my party and Marle hanging back in the End of Time.
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I'm pretty sure they address this in no uncertain terms during the campfire scene
I think I'm pretty done with the game now for a while. Because I honestly don't care enough to fill out the other things.
Though the Beastiary is nice for changing music when you come across certain bosses and certain fights. That was a nice little touch, I thought.
End result: Nobody really knows. The group had a couple of theories, but nothing is ever really confirmed. I actually kind of like that they leave it ambiguous like that, since in the end it doesn't really have all that much effect on the plot. Not like say the "What happened to Schala" question the original game used to have.
Although... Chrono Cross does put a spin on the "Mother Earth's life flashing before her eyes" theory. Doesn't the planet itself hate humanity?. I thought it was explained in game that the Reptite future is the one it likes the most. Especially since when Chronopolis gets shunted back to the past, the planet responds by sending Dinopolis back with it. So the planet hates humanity, why make the gates so humanity can save it?
I assumed that that excuse was the Reptites and the dragon gods self-serving excuse for their actions, "we hate the humans, and since we are on the side of the earth, the earth hates humans too."
I always expected that if there were another sequel, we would have a scene where the reptites and other "champions of the earth" would suffer a very serious wake-up call about their actions. Remember when Azala tried to destroy humanity with a Black Tyranno? Fate sided with the "apes." That alone should tell them what's going on. And this was before Lavos fell and "forcibly evolved" humanity (which strikes me as another self-serving lie).
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
As for Wolfman's question about gate creation:
...OK, so we DID end up turning Lavos into a multidimensional unkillable being that's devouring the known time-space continuum. Nobody's perfect. Like the dinosaurs could have done better. :P
It's not our fault.
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