Saying "I can't change x" doesn't make the image any better though does it?
You can minimise the chances of getting a bad shot through preperation (setting up the camera so it doesn't blow highlights or shooting raw or film so you have a higher dynamic range) for future situations or just choose the better images disregarding those that have problems (unless the subject matter is so important that these distractions don't matter in which case you no longer have a problem).
"ask the people to move out of the way during this arrest"
problem solved? I dont really know photography techniques but Ive spent a lot of time studying composition from a drawing and painting aspect.
The picture was all about that arrest, so why in your presentation of it bother to keep all the other shit thats not really that interesting? (not that my cropping is ideal.. just to show a point)
Those few blurry people in the background give the same impression that, this is a picture that takes place outside with normal people walking around on the street as did when you showed a lot more of it..
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MetalbourneInside a cluster b personalityRegistered Userregular
edited September 2009
Personally, I think the photonerds are just pissed because a newcomer is upstaging them without joining their insular little sub-sub community.
If people find them interesting, moving and effective the way they are that's great, many people obviously do. I'm giving a photographers perspective and giving crits to try help further improve the images (what this forum is all about no?).
i see what they are saying, and i think that ken gave a good solution
because you're right, you're capturing raw personality and emotion and that's something that's not going to wait around for your light meter or for perfect focus. And obviously, people like your subject matter a lot
but when ken cropped that picture, i think it immediately added so much more to it.
it took out the unnecessary details and broke it down to just that emotional moment. which lets the viewer take in so much more of it in so much less time.
Jamp and Jake are both fantastic photographers. their work is worth checking out if you haven't, and they know a lot about the art behind it. I agree with you and love your work so far, but please don't just pass them off, they are good dudes with loads of skill and experience.
not saying you're not!
but it's a community that's meant to get people learning from each other.
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Lautermilch: I'm not saying that street photography should look like its been shot in a studio. I really enjoy good photojournalism/street photography. You have a few good shots, but most are duff as street photography, in my opinion - you're welcome to ignore it, although I'm not misunderstanding what you're trying to do, or how difficult it is (I can post some candid street shots of my own if you like). I'm saying what I think you could do to improve, and you don't have to agree with that either.
You know when you see someone banging on about how they do manga, so they won't improve by learning anatomy? This is the photographic equivalent. Street photography may be a different style to studio work, fine art, performance, etc etc, but all forms of photography (hell, all forms of visual communication) have rules of composition. You don't always use them all, often you can't, but knowing them, and applying them when you can, makes the difference.
dude did we scare you away? You have to have more of this stuff.
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The_Glad_HatterOne Sly FoxUnderneath a Groovy HatRegistered Userregular
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Great pictures, as said, not all of them are as well-composed as they would've been in a studio, but there still are some pretty powerful pics.
Love the portrait of the woman who argued with you for 10 mins.
See, I really like the guy on the floor. It's an excellent example of street photography; an interesting subject, shot from an interesting angle, properly framed. The rest not so much, although the kid holding the sign isn't bad, although you could do to crop closer, to cut out some of the distractions.
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You can minimise the chances of getting a bad shot through preperation (setting up the camera so it doesn't blow highlights or shooting raw or film so you have a higher dynamic range) for future situations or just choose the better images disregarding those that have problems (unless the subject matter is so important that these distractions don't matter in which case you no longer have a problem).
Martin Parr
Henri Cartier Bresson
Nan Goldin
problem solved? I dont really know photography techniques but Ive spent a lot of time studying composition from a drawing and painting aspect.
The picture was all about that arrest, so why in your presentation of it bother to keep all the other shit thats not really that interesting? (not that my cropping is ideal.. just to show a point)
Those few blurry people in the background give the same impression that, this is a picture that takes place outside with normal people walking around on the street as did when you showed a lot more of it..
9 times out of ten I agree with you, but did you even read what the photo nerds wrote?
What JAmp said about the black and white distancing the viewer from what could be in your face moments of the grittier side of life is pretty spot on.
IF there isnt a conceptual reason for wanting to call up protests from the era when black and white was the norm, why do it?
edit: JAmp thanks for those links.. fucking cool shit
I'm not really a photonerd. I could give a shit about the photo thread.
because you're right, you're capturing raw personality and emotion and that's something that's not going to wait around for your light meter or for perfect focus. And obviously, people like your subject matter a lot
but when ken cropped that picture, i think it immediately added so much more to it.
it took out the unnecessary details and broke it down to just that emotional moment. which lets the viewer take in so much more of it in so much less time.
Jamp and Jake are both fantastic photographers. their work is worth checking out if you haven't, and they know a lot about the art behind it. I agree with you and love your work so far, but please don't just pass them off, they are good dudes with loads of skill and experience.
not saying you're not!
but it's a community that's meant to get people learning from each other.
Oh, no, don't get me wrong, I think it was all good advice.
but I think that's part of the reason they're pissed.
Like how people work on their art all their lives and then get pissed when someone shits on a canvas and receives ass-pats galore.
At the same time, though, I do think they're a little too insular.
You know when you see someone banging on about how they do manga, so they won't improve by learning anatomy? This is the photographic equivalent. Street photography may be a different style to studio work, fine art, performance, etc etc, but all forms of photography (hell, all forms of visual communication) have rules of composition. You don't always use them all, often you can't, but knowing them, and applying them when you can, makes the difference.
Goddamit Hippies are so cliche i wanna find a flip flop and slap the crap outta them
On another note
This is fantastic
Love the portrait of the woman who argued with you for 10 mins.
would love to see more of your work..
http://thintheherd.info
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some of these are down right fantastic