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Field of Dreams II: The L.A. Raiders
Elki
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Things you need to know:
My main objection to this is entirely selfish. I don't want to see NFL football in L.A. I don't think I can stand having another big market team for ESPN/Fox/CBS to devote coverage to; it will kill me. I just love my football, and I fear for it.
But what is actually crazy is that 61 people get to decide that this gets to happen. That is simply the most insane use of technicalities I've ever seen. It's absolutely insane. How do you do that? It just seems really sleazy. I mean is really sleazy.
And does the NFL want to lose the boogeyman it uses to make cities cough up $$$ for new stadiums?
L.A. forumers, how do you feel about getting a pro-team?
Some links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/23stadium.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-walnut-nfl24-2009oct24,0,4601355.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-zirin29-2009oct29,0,5453451.story
http://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_13500252?source=rss_viewed
- Somewhere outside of L.A. exist something called the City of Industry, a shopping district with 800 residents.
- The voters of Industry voted 60-1 to approve a $500 million bond package for public improvements to prepare for a new stadium.
- Schwarzenegger signed a bill exempting the project from environmental regulations to speed up construction.
- It'll be a 75,000-seat, $800 million stadium (current working title: Los Angeles Stadium)
- It will be a privately financed stadium, as promised by realty mogul Ed Roski Jr and his Majestic Realty. Use as much salt as you'd like with that one. It'll still be on public land.
- Now, you're asking. What team? Well, no team. Yet. The plan is simple: If you build a new stadium in L.A. the NFL will send a team there. However Majestic did compile a short-list of teams they'll be targeting: The Chargers, the Raiders, the Rams, the Vikings, the Jaguars, the Bills and the 49ers.
- On a weirdness note: they're already selling club seats.
My main objection to this is entirely selfish. I don't want to see NFL football in L.A. I don't think I can stand having another big market team for ESPN/Fox/CBS to devote coverage to; it will kill me. I just love my football, and I fear for it.
But what is actually crazy is that 61 people get to decide that this gets to happen. That is simply the most insane use of technicalities I've ever seen. It's absolutely insane. How do you do that? It just seems really sleazy. I mean is really sleazy.
And does the NFL want to lose the boogeyman it uses to make cities cough up $$$ for new stadiums?
L.A. forumers, how do you feel about getting a pro-team?
Some links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/23stadium.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-walnut-nfl24-2009oct24,0,4601355.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-zirin29-2009oct29,0,5453451.story
http://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_13500252?source=rss_viewed
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I think Jacksonville is most likely going to be relocated. Bills, 49ers are too storied, Chargers are drawing a hell of a lot better, no one wants the Raiders.
I guess the Rams are fairly bad off too, but not like the jags.
Jags could be doing awesome and they'd still have attendance problems.
It was in some Bill Simmons podcast with some NFL insider, and it was really, really interesting.
Raiders have the best shot at it I think. Their marketing is still fairly solid from the days when they were badasses, and a new owner could do a lot with them money wise, even if they continue to suck major ass.
edit: didn't even see that you already mentioned the super bowl thing gears.
Can the state of California even bring a bond to market at this point? Personally I wouldn't trust the paper of any CA municipalities right now.
And really, who wants the Raiders?
It's just really replacing one whipping boy with another, isn't it? That works for me. Then the Houston Texans can play the Dallas Texans and everone will be marginally confused.
Don't want it. Without a local team, we get the best games broadcast every week. If instead of getting PIT vs MIN or BAL vs NE, I had to watch Raiders/Jaguars vs ______ or suffer through blackouts, I'd suddenly have a lot more free time on Sundays. Basically, I like the NFL too much to want it here.
I remember going to City of Industry exactly three times ever. One was for a job interview, the other 2 were strip clubs. That's basically all you need to know about the city.
Well, that and that Harvey Keitel is a badass.
It's easy to do when the City of Industry is it's own municipality, has only 61 residents total, and can decide whatever it wants to do within it's own borders. Actually, that's not entirely true. Environmental review is going to require a look at traffic patterns, which will affect other municipalities around it greatly, who can raise an objection (and it will require environmental review; what Schwarzenegger signed isn't going to fly in the courts at all).
I don't want an LA team, period. Football is nothing but a pure money money pit for cities that host a team. With only about six home games per year, ticket and concession sales don't cover shit for upkeep, staffing, etc. And if it's the Raiders, keep them far away from LA. Raiders fans are nothing but deranged thugs.
Admittedly, I worked on the proposed upgrades to the Rose Bowl, which was supposed to attract an NFL team before they decided to pass. But that was just a job which I had to do, even if I didn't like it. Oh, some interesting behind-the-scenes stories came out of that one.
Same here. NFL isn't really a great stadium experience anyway unless you are loaded. As for Industry, I used to buy computer stuff back in the day when I geeked out on that sort of shit. Pain in the ass to get to unless you double the size of a couple of freeways.
― Marcus Aurelius
Path of Exile: themightypuck
Seriously, Industry is what the name implies. I'm pretty sure a copper mine would improve the place environmentally.
― Marcus Aurelius
Path of Exile: themightypuck
I've only been to one NFL game, and I actually thought it was pretty damn fun. Well, except the fact that it was a godawful game (note to Seahawks: you suck). But having been to every pro sport now (including MLS) I found NFL to be pretty good.
And we were, literally, two rows away from the very back (on the upper level). Terribad seats.
Yeah, it seems like unless you've pulling in a couple Super Bowls or multi-purposing the stadium (like the Sounders/Seahawks) you're going to have a hard time paying for it.
I've got a feeling that LA is never going to run short of excuses to use a really nice stadium. You've got two major NCAA football teams and a shitload of bands that are constantly looking for venues, as well as whatever monster truck/motocross/xgames bullshit the kids are running to these days.
People that want to go to NFL games can go to San Diego. It's 2-3 hours on the freeway - I'm guessing there's a lot of people who drive farther to get to Seattle or Green Bay or wherever.
Also, there used to be 2 teams in LA and no one went to see them. I remember only being able to watch 1 game on Sundays because the other 2 were blacked out Raiders and Rams games.
This really boils down to preference. My own experience is that I would much rather go see an MLS game at the HDC but I like soccer. I also like football, but mostly I like football on TV. For me, the problem with football is that the game itself is close to 4 hours with around 30 minutes of action. I enjoy the tailgate and the postgame party, but the game itself takes too fucking long. That said, if I was going to 2 games a year I could totally get into it. Make a day out of it. Ironically, I think if I lived in Pittsburgh and had a bit of cash I would be all over this for as many games as I could afford. In LA not so much.
― Marcus Aurelius
Path of Exile: themightypuck
Then we're already fucked.
- I would never haul my ass all the way out to City of Industry to watch a football game.
- Especially if the team was the Raiders. Everyone who keeps talking about the Raiders moving to LA needs to stop and realize that Al Davis is basically a senile crazy old man, and until he dies or the team is wrested from his twisted clawhands, the Raiders will not only remain one of the worst teams in the NFL, they will also be a continual source of ridiculous drama and hassles for whatever city they are in.
- The Jaguars are pretty gawdawful too. Basically all the teams that have been suggested as the new LA team are either A) terrible, which would create a disincentive to go watch them, or
- As has been mentioned in the thread, I have yet to meet an Angeleno who actually cares that we don't have an NFL team here. After all, we have the Lakers, the Dodgers, and USC; three teams that can be counted on to at least be in competition for the championship year after year. What do we need a crappy football team for? The only people who really seem to be gung-ho about this proposal are some sports columnists, some politicians, and the business people who stand to profit from the whole deal - which, of course, might be good enough to make it happen, only to be a dreadful failure inside of 5 years.
All in all, there is no reason for an NFL team to be here and all the suggested "solutions" to this "problem" are stupid. However, certain people might make a ton of money off of it, so it might happen anyway.
I probably wasn't clear, but football is probably my least favorite sport to go watch live. I prefer soccer, hockey, or even baseball. But it was still a ton of fun.
And oddly, the game didn't feel as "long" as I thought it would.
The Twins finally got their new stadium and the Vikings are arguably more popular up here these days than the Twins. I expect the Vikings will have a new stadium within the next decade, especially if they remain reasonably competitive.
And I think the 49ers just have too much history where they are. It'd be like the Steelers moving to Philly or something :P
Does anyone build stadiums anymore without multi-purposing them? Have a dedicated stadium for NFL games only seems like it would be a laughably gigantic waste of space.
*edit* Wait are you talking multi-team as opposed to multi-purpose?
Well, as I mentioned, literally only about 60 people actually live in the City of Industry, no joke. As it's name implies, it's nothing but business.
California's executive office actually doesn't have that power. This is going to wind up in court and get delayed anyway, especially with neighboring cities like Diamond Bar, which is where the South Coast Air Quality Management District's main office is. Every state and federal agency will be suing to stop this project until full environmental review is performed.
Every outdoor sports team in the LA area already has their own stadium.
Dodgers - Dodger Stadium
Angels - Edison Field
Trojans - LA Coliseum
Bruins - Rose Bowl
Galaxy - Home Depot Center
There's really no need for an extra stadium in LA, all the kids already have their own rooms.
Um, ok?