Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
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Modern Man we all know this. So choose: are you actually arguing against gay marriage, or are you merely insisting on repeatedly pointing out the obvious?
I'm opposed to gay marriage because it fundamentally re-defines the institution of marriage in a radical manner for which there is simply no historical or cultural basis.
Straight marriage is utterly unchanged by gay marriage. It is not redefined, sullied, or altered in any way, shape or form. Gay marriage merely extends marriage rights to another class of people.
There was no historical basis to give women suffrage when the first country gave women the right to vote, was there? Nor was there a basis for giving non-property holders, blacks, and so on the vote. Historical and cultural basis is a shitty shitty reason to not extend rights to people. This is just a smoke screen for bigotry, because you don't consider homosexual relationships equal to heterosexual ones. It's pretty simple.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
And Palin, Rush and Beck aren't involved in the NRSC in any way.
Right, they're caving to the Tea Partiers. It's great. That's funding Crist doesn't get, though apparently the next big target according to DeMint is to get a winger to run for Senate in California. Barbara Boxer has never heard better news.
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Modern Man we all know this. So choose: are you actually arguing against gay marriage, or are you merely insisting on repeatedly pointing out the obvious?
I'm opposed to gay marriage because it fundamentally re-defines the institution of marriage in a radical manner for which there is simply no historical or cultural basis.
I hate to take a page out of Mrdobalinas book, but, Prove it.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
Worst part its not fucking over for these chuckle fucks.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
So, for those of us in California...
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We just lost the game, didn't we?
Ref. 71 is for identical-to-marriage domestic partnerships, which is more or less the situation in California even after that state fucked up last November.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
So, for those of us in California...
...
We just lost the game, didn't we?
Ref. 71 is for identical-to-marriage domestic partnerships, which is more or less the situation in California even after that state fucked up last November.
My mixed feelings on this cannot be adequately conveyed in text.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
And that's fine, you can continue to be a horrible person all on your own.
But this isn't in your own home. This is in someone elses home. This is in a loving couples home, and they want to be married, and because you think it's icky and that you are superior to everyone else you get to decide that they can't.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
bigots matter because they deny rights to other people
DEM GAYS ARE BAD is not a harmless opinion because that 'harmless opinion' usually translates into a woman not being able to visit her dying wife in the hospital and so on. Bigots vote. There's a reason we don't have a direct democracy.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
I think hating a person because of how they're born or, in some cases, how they choose to live their life, when said life doesn't hurt anybody and, in fact, makes someone else happier, is not something that should be protected by the "right to the ballot box".
Your "bigot vote is just as good as your vote" is irrelevant as fuck from anything but the strictest legal standpoint, and not really addressing the issue.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
Or my home, apparently, though I'm not sure why you think you have any business there.
Look, duder -- your motives may not say much about the validity of your vote, but they say tons about the quality of your character.
I mean, really? Who gives a fuck about lying? Damn, you're cold.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
And that's fine, you can continue to be a horrible person all on your own.
But this isn't in your own home. This is in someone elses home. This is in a loving couples home, and they want to be married, and because you think it's icky and that you are superior to everyone else you get to decide that they can't.
So basically no one should be allowed to vote on anything that would have an outcome you don't like.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
And that's fine, you can continue to be a horrible person all on your own.
But this isn't in your own home. This is in someone elses home. This is in a loving couples home, and they want to be married, and because you think it's icky and that you are superior to everyone else you get to decide that they can't.
So basically no one should be allowed to vote on anything that would have an outcome you don't like.
Do you have a point or are you just behaving like an infant?
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
And that's fine, you can continue to be a horrible person all on your own.
But this isn't in your own home. This is in someone elses home. This is in a loving couples home, and they want to be married, and because you think it's icky and that you are superior to everyone else you get to decide that they can't.
So basically no one should be allowed to vote on anything that would have an outcome you don't like.
No, but that's pretty damn close to what you're saying. I'm saying that because it's an outcome you personally don't like you shouldn't be allowed to make it illegal. You're saying that because other people want to be happy in a way that doesn't negatively affect anything, they shouldn't get to, because not under your roof, right? Or any other roof apparently. Maybe you just have a huge roof.
Also I haven't said that no one should be allowed to vote against gay marriage. I've said that everyone who does is a terrible, stupid, shortsighted, arrogant bigot with a sense of superiority that is so vast that they think they know what is best for everyone else in the world.
Ultimately, it shouldn't come to a vote, because the constitution pretty well lays out that gays should be able to marry, but everyone can vote, and I haven't said anything against that. But go ahead and hate some more, that has historically made everything better.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
And that's fine, you can continue to be a horrible person all on your own.
But this isn't in your own home. This is in someone elses home. This is in a loving couples home, and they want to be married, and because you think it's icky and that you are superior to everyone else you get to decide that they can't.
So basically no one should be allowed to vote on anything that would have an outcome you don't like.
Do you have a point or are you just behaving like an infant?
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
You oppose a minority group being granted rights because you don't like their life style and feel it affects your rights if they get more. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR ARGUMENT!
Preacher on
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
And that's fine, you can continue to be a horrible person all on your own.
But this isn't in your own home. This is in someone elses home. This is in a loving couples home, and they want to be married, and because you think it's icky and that you are superior to everyone else you get to decide that they can't.
So basically no one should be allowed to vote on anything that would have an outcome you don't like.
No, but that's pretty damn close to what you're saying. I'm saying that because it's an outcome you personally don't like you shouldn't be allowed to make it illegal. You're saying that because other people want to be happy in a way that doesn't negatively affect anything, they shouldn't get to, because not under your roof, right? Or any other roof apparently. Maybe you just have a huge roof.
Also I haven't said that no one should be allowed to vote against gay marriage. I've said that everyone who does is a terrible, stupid, shortsighted, arrogant bigot with a sense of superiority that is so vast that they think they know what is best for everyone else in the world.
Ultimately, it shouldn't come to a vote, because the constitution pretty well lays out that gays should be able to marry, but everyone can vote, and I haven't said anything against that. But go ahead and hate some more, that has historically made everything better.
So you believe anything that raises society's overall happiness level by even a little bit is ultimately good and should be done, always.
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
So being intolerant against memebers of a group isn't bigotry because... you like to redefine words outside of, you know, their definition?
Well it looks like Referendum 71 (upholding gay rights) is going to be narrowly approved in Washington. Nice to see it pass but a little scary just how many people voted against it.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
And that's fine, you can continue to be a horrible person all on your own.
But this isn't in your own home. This is in someone elses home. This is in a loving couples home, and they want to be married, and because you think it's icky and that you are superior to everyone else you get to decide that they can't.
So basically no one should be allowed to vote on anything that would have an outcome you don't like.
Do you have a point or are you just behaving like an infant?
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
I have yet to see an argument opposing gay marriage that was logical or backed up by facts in any way, shape, or form.
People may not BE bigots, but that doesn't mean that they're not acting in a bigoted way when they vote against gay marriage using some of these bullshit justifications.
As an example see illdoc's distinction between "what they did" and "what they are."
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
You oppose a minority group being granted rights because you don't like their life style and feel it affects your rights if they get more. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR ARGUMENT!
I have opposed greater things with far less than that.
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
You oppose a minority group being granted rights because you don't like their life style and feel it affects your rights if they get more. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR ARGUMENT!
I have opposed greater things with far less than that.
Might want to keep that to yourself bill.
Preacher on
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
So being intolerant against memebers of a group isn't bigotry because... you like to redefine words outside of, you know, their definition?
Not everyone opposed to gay marriage is a true bigot under that definition. Only some.
Believe it or not there really are people who are only worried about the semantics. You just can't seem to accept that. Why?
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
You oppose a minority group being granted rights because you don't like their life style and feel it affects your rights if they get more. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR ARGUMENT!
I have opposed greater things with far less than that.
That's not quite a convincing argument that you're not a bigot.
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
You oppose a minority group being granted rights because you don't like their life style and feel it affects your rights if they get more. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR ARGUMENT!
I have opposed greater things with far less than that.
Are you seriously advocating a totalitarian democracy?
No, but that's pretty damn close to what you're saying. I'm saying that because it's an outcome you personally don't like you shouldn't be allowed to make it illegal. You're saying that because other people want to be happy in a way that doesn't negatively affect anything, they shouldn't get to, because not under your roof, right? Or any other roof apparently. Maybe you just have a huge roof.
Also I haven't said that no one should be allowed to vote against gay marriage. I've said that everyone who does is a terrible, stupid, shortsighted, arrogant bigot with a sense of superiority that is so vast that they think they know what is best for everyone else in the world.
Ultimately, it shouldn't come to a vote, because the constitution pretty well lays out that gays should be able to marry, but everyone can vote, and I haven't said anything against that. But go ahead and hate some more, that has historically made everything better.
So you believe anything that raises society's overall happiness level by even a little bit is ultimately good and should be done, always.
Are you deliberately being obtuse, or are you actually this much of a moron?
What does "that doesn't negatively affect anything" mean in your world? I mean I know since you don't actually know what a bigot is words seem to be confusing to you, but try and actually read before you respond.
Also, something with only positive consequences and no negative ones probably should be done yes.
And I should get out of this thread. I feel too strongly about people actually having rights and other people blindly trying to deny them, and defending it by proudly talking about how horrible they are to remain civil.
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
You oppose a minority group being granted rights because you don't like their life style and feel it affects your rights if they get more. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR ARGUMENT!
I have opposed greater things with far less than that.
That's not quite a convincing argument that you're not a bigot.
No, I'm probably a bigot.
Doesn't really matter though. Nothing I can do about it. Beliefs are beliefs.
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
So being intolerant against memebers of a group isn't bigotry because... you like to redefine words outside of, you know, their definition?
Not everyone opposed to gay marriage is a true bigot under that definition. Only some.
Believe it or not there really are people who are only worried about the semantics. You just can't seem to accept that. Why?
Semantics? What the fuck is there to worry about fucking semantics?
Gay Marriage: Dudes'll be buttfucking in your living room, like for realz. Vote no! Keep your living room poop-chute-fuckin' free.
You don't like being called a bigot, Ject? Don't act like one. You don't like gay marriage in your home? Don't let gays get married in your home. But you can fuck off with your "being a bigot doesn't make me a bad guy, I've just got a different opinion" bullshit.
No, but that's pretty damn close to what you're saying. I'm saying that because it's an outcome you personally don't like you shouldn't be allowed to make it illegal. You're saying that because other people want to be happy in a way that doesn't negatively affect anything, they shouldn't get to, because not under your roof, right? Or any other roof apparently. Maybe you just have a huge roof.
Also I haven't said that no one should be allowed to vote against gay marriage. I've said that everyone who does is a terrible, stupid, shortsighted, arrogant bigot with a sense of superiority that is so vast that they think they know what is best for everyone else in the world.
Ultimately, it shouldn't come to a vote, because the constitution pretty well lays out that gays should be able to marry, but everyone can vote, and I haven't said anything against that. But go ahead and hate some more, that has historically made everything better.
So you believe anything that raises society's overall happiness level by even a little bit is ultimately good and should be done, always.
Are you deliberately being obtuse, or are you actually this much of a moron?
What does "that doesn't negatively affect anything" mean in your world? I mean I know since you don't actually know what a bigot is words seem to be confusing to you, but try and actually read before you respond.
Also, something with only positive consequences and no negative ones probably should be done yes.
And I should get out of this thread. I feel too strongly about people actually having rights and other people blindly trying to deny them, and defending it by proudly talking about how horrible they are to remain civil.
The problem with you son, is that some of these "bigots" are actually otherwise good people. Sometimes even great people, such as scientists, doctors, astronauts or Presidents of the United States.
But that's not enough for you. You want all these people who oppose gay marriage to be some kind of terrible monsters who would just as easily segregate blacks and whites or be Nazis or whatever. You want everyone to hate these people and prevent them from having any say.
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Straight marriage is utterly unchanged by gay marriage. It is not redefined, sullied, or altered in any way, shape or form. Gay marriage merely extends marriage rights to another class of people.
There was no historical basis to give women suffrage when the first country gave women the right to vote, was there? Nor was there a basis for giving non-property holders, blacks, and so on the vote. Historical and cultural basis is a shitty shitty reason to not extend rights to people. This is just a smoke screen for bigotry, because you don't consider homosexual relationships equal to heterosexual ones. It's pretty simple.
Yeah; I no longer believe people who say they have nothing against gay couples but are concerned about the word marriage. A long series of situations like this one has made it clear that those people are usually lying.
So, for those of us in California...
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We just lost the game, didn't we?
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Right, they're caving to the Tea Partiers. It's great. That's funding Crist doesn't get, though apparently the next big target according to DeMint is to get a winger to run for Senate in California. Barbara Boxer has never heard better news.
I hate to take a page out of Mrdobalinas book, but, Prove it.
Worst part its not fucking over for these chuckle fucks.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010196421_elexref7104m.html
This is just round fucking 1. So two bullshit lies exposed.
1. That they will listen to the will of the people.
2. That its about the sanctity of marriage.
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Ref. 71 is for identical-to-marriage domestic partnerships, which is more or less the situation in California even after that state fucked up last November.
My mixed feelings on this cannot be adequately conveyed in text.
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And? Who gives a fuck?
You don't need to provide an essay about why you are making a specific vote. You just vote. And a bigot's vote is just as good as any other motherfucker's vote. Maybe a person really can be opposed to gay marriage because they ARE worried about what it would due to the definition of marriage. Or maybe they just hate gays. Doesn't fucking matter.
Most people are in fact bigots. You're a bigot, I'm a bigot, the President himself is a bigot (he does not support gay marriage).
Doesn't mean we're bad people, just means there exist opinions and beliefs that we won't tolerate in our homes.
pleasepaypreacher.net
And that's fine, you can continue to be a horrible person all on your own.
But this isn't in your own home. This is in someone elses home. This is in a loving couples home, and they want to be married, and because you think it's icky and that you are superior to everyone else you get to decide that they can't.
bigots matter because they deny rights to other people
DEM GAYS ARE BAD is not a harmless opinion because that 'harmless opinion' usually translates into a woman not being able to visit her dying wife in the hospital and so on. Bigots vote. There's a reason we don't have a direct democracy.
But if it's legalized, I'll be forced to marry 10 gay men and get 3 abortions despite being a man!
I think hating a person because of how they're born or, in some cases, how they choose to live their life, when said life doesn't hurt anybody and, in fact, makes someone else happier, is not something that should be protected by the "right to the ballot box".
Your "bigot vote is just as good as your vote" is irrelevant as fuck from anything but the strictest legal standpoint, and not really addressing the issue.
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The sad part? Thats not much further than what the ads against gay marriage spout.
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Or my home, apparently, though I'm not sure why you think you have any business there.
Look, duder -- your motives may not say much about the validity of your vote, but they say tons about the quality of your character.
I mean, really? Who gives a fuck about lying? Damn, you're cold.
So basically no one should be allowed to vote on anything that would have an outcome you don't like.
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Do you have a point or are you just behaving like an infant?
No, but that's pretty damn close to what you're saying. I'm saying that because it's an outcome you personally don't like you shouldn't be allowed to make it illegal. You're saying that because other people want to be happy in a way that doesn't negatively affect anything, they shouldn't get to, because not under your roof, right? Or any other roof apparently. Maybe you just have a huge roof.
Also I haven't said that no one should be allowed to vote against gay marriage. I've said that everyone who does is a terrible, stupid, shortsighted, arrogant bigot with a sense of superiority that is so vast that they think they know what is best for everyone else in the world.
Ultimately, it shouldn't come to a vote, because the constitution pretty well lays out that gays should be able to marry, but everyone can vote, and I haven't said anything against that. But go ahead and hate some more, that has historically made everything better.
My point is that calling people bigots just because they oppose gay marriage is like calling someone in an argument an infant when they actually aren't.
You oppose a minority group being granted rights because you don't like their life style and feel it affects your rights if they get more. THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR ARGUMENT!
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So you believe anything that raises society's overall happiness level by even a little bit is ultimately good and should be done, always.
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
So being intolerant against memebers of a group isn't bigotry because... you like to redefine words outside of, you know, their definition?
I have yet to see an argument opposing gay marriage that was logical or backed up by facts in any way, shape, or form.
People may not BE bigots, but that doesn't mean that they're not acting in a bigoted way when they vote against gay marriage using some of these bullshit justifications.
As an example see illdoc's distinction between "what they did" and "what they are."
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I have opposed greater things with far less than that.
Might want to keep that to yourself bill.
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Not everyone opposed to gay marriage is a true bigot under that definition. Only some.
Believe it or not there really are people who are only worried about the semantics. You just can't seem to accept that. Why?
That's not quite a convincing argument that you're not a bigot.
Are you seriously advocating a totalitarian democracy?
Are you deliberately being obtuse, or are you actually this much of a moron?
What does "that doesn't negatively affect anything" mean in your world? I mean I know since you don't actually know what a bigot is words seem to be confusing to you, but try and actually read before you respond.
Also, something with only positive consequences and no negative ones probably should be done yes.
And I should get out of this thread. I feel too strongly about people actually having rights and other people blindly trying to deny them, and defending it by proudly talking about how horrible they are to remain civil.
No, I'm probably a bigot.
Doesn't really matter though. Nothing I can do about it. Beliefs are beliefs.
Semantics? What the fuck is there to worry about fucking semantics?
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You don't like being called a bigot, Ject? Don't act like one. You don't like gay marriage in your home? Don't let gays get married in your home. But you can fuck off with your "being a bigot doesn't make me a bad guy, I've just got a different opinion" bullshit.
A roving gang of semantics murdered my entire family once syphon!
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The problem with you son, is that some of these "bigots" are actually otherwise good people. Sometimes even great people, such as scientists, doctors, astronauts or Presidents of the United States.
But that's not enough for you. You want all these people who oppose gay marriage to be some kind of terrible monsters who would just as easily segregate blacks and whites or be Nazis or whatever. You want everyone to hate these people and prevent them from having any say.
But that's just not the way it really is.