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College Football 2009: To hell with FSU

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Yeah, sucks to see Bowden go. Respected him, even if I always wanted to see Paterno retire with most wins. Not the way I wanted it to end.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    Bowden's coaching was borderline senile these past couple of years. He was past due. He should have retired quietly years ago but stubbornly stuck around, to the detriment of his team.
    Replace 'Bowden' with 'JoePa' and you get the same results.

    I find it hilarious that there is an article on ESPN pointing out just how easy it was for the Irish to get nine wins this season, yet Weis choked
    All Weis really had to do to keep his job was to beat Navy and Connecticut at home and a Michigan team that finished 5-7. That would have made the Irish 9-3 and given the coach a strong argument to return for a sixth year. Yet he couldn't do that or avoid a disastrous four-game losing streak to end the season despite having one of the best quarterbacks in school history (Jimmy Clausen) and the finest receiving season ever by a Domer (Golden Tate).

    Notre Dame's best wins this season were against 8-4 Boston College, 6-6 Michigan State and 4-7 Washington. Not exactly the kind of victories you include in a great moments in history section of the media guide.

    ...

    Weis's failure was in not winning the games he should have won and never winning the games he wasn't expected to win. That's not a very high standard for the next guy to achieve

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  • ProsperoProspero Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Prospero wrote: »
    The sad thing is that Notre Dame might have been successful if they would have kept Tyrone Willingham. This is especially considering that Weis was so successful with Tyrone's recruiting classes and then fell apart when he had to play with his own recruits the third-fourth year in. Oh well, too late now.
    Bah! Jesus, you're going to get me fired. Don't make me laugh that hard before I'm officially off the clock.

    On the other hand if they HAD kept him they would have bottomed out with a 1 win season, and we would have been forced to hire someone else.

    This is uncertain. Willingham only had the chance to use the last coach's recruits during his tenure, no one knows how he would have done had they been his recruits.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Bowden's coaching was borderline senile these past couple of years. He was past due. He should have retired quietly years ago but stubbornly stuck around, to the detriment of his team.
    Replace 'Bowden' with 'JoePa' and you get the same results.

    PSU's coaching, Paterno or otherwise, has actually improved in the past couple years vs when I was in college. Personally, I think that he's basically become a figurehead and still works with the kids and whatnot, but that a fair amount of the coaching is done by the support staff.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Bowden's coaching was borderline senile these past couple of years. He was past due. He should have retired quietly years ago but stubbornly stuck around, to the detriment of his team.
    Replace 'Bowden' with 'JoePa' and you get the same results.

    PSU's coaching, Paterno or otherwise, has actually improved in the past couple years vs when I was in college. Personally, I think that he's basically become a figurehead and still works with the kids and whatnot, but that a fair amount of the coaching is done by the support staff.

    That's how it seems from outside the program but still watching them almost every week as well.

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  • ZeroCowZeroCow Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Bowden's coaching was borderline senile these past couple of years. He was past due. He should have retired quietly years ago but stubbornly stuck around, to the detriment of his team.
    Replace 'Bowden' with 'JoePa' and you get the same results.

    PSU's coaching, Paterno or otherwise, has actually improved in the past couple years vs when I was in college. Personally, I think that he's basically become a figurehead and still works with the kids and whatnot, but that a fair amount of the coaching is done by the support staff.

    I agree. Paterno doesn't really coach anymore, notice how he doesn't wear a headset during the games?

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I find it hilarious that there is an article on ESPN pointing out just how easy it was for the Irish to get nine wins this season, yet Weis choked
    All Weis really had to do to keep his job was to beat Navy and Connecticut at home and a Michigan team that finished 5-7. That would have made the Irish 9-3 and given the coach a strong argument to return for a sixth year. Yet he couldn't do that or avoid a disastrous four-game losing streak to end the season despite having one of the best quarterbacks in school history (Jimmy Clausen) and the finest receiving season ever by a Domer (Golden Tate).

    Notre Dame's best wins this season were against 8-4 Boston College, 6-6 Michigan State and 4-7 Washington. Not exactly the kind of victories you include in a great moments in history section of the media guide.

    ...

    Weis's failure was in not winning the games he should have won and never winning the games he wasn't expected to win. That's not a very high standard for the next guy to achieve

    As an ND season ticket holder, it was incredibly frustrating this year to see a team full of incredible talent (well, an offense full of talent, at least) that never played a complete game. The Irish regularly slept through the first three quarters, turning easily winnable games into last-minute nail biters.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that there is an article on ESPN pointing out just how easy it was for the Irish to get nine wins this season, yet Weis choked
    All Weis really had to do to keep his job was to beat Navy and Connecticut at home and a Michigan team that finished 5-7. That would have made the Irish 9-3 and given the coach a strong argument to return for a sixth year. Yet he couldn't do that or avoid a disastrous four-game losing streak to end the season despite having one of the best quarterbacks in school history (Jimmy Clausen) and the finest receiving season ever by a Domer (Golden Tate).

    Notre Dame's best wins this season were against 8-4 Boston College, 6-6 Michigan State and 4-7 Washington. Not exactly the kind of victories you include in a great moments in history section of the media guide.

    ...

    Weis's failure was in not winning the games he should have won and never winning the games he wasn't expected to win. That's not a very high standard for the next guy to achieve

    As an ND season ticket holder, it was incredibly frustrating this year to see a team full of incredible talent (well, an offense full of talent, at least) that never played a complete game. The Irish regularly slept through the first three quarters, turning easily winnable games into last-minute nail biters.

    I think it's Willingham's fault...

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  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    I agree. Paterno doesn't really coach anymore, notice how he doesn't wear a headset during the games?

    http://www.theonlygamethatmatters.com/2008/07/joe-paterno-coach-or-figurehead.html

    A good writeup from last year. For those that don't follow the think, the main point on him not wearing the headset:

    Both his coordinators have been with him for 10+ years. Most of his defensive staff is pushing 20+ years. That's longer than most coaches in college ball have been out of school. If there is one guy in football that can get away without the headset, it's Joepa, simply because everyone is pretty much 150% on the same page at the program. They've all been there long enough that there are zero major questions as to what needs to be done.

    Also, take note during the game. The QB is always at his side when he comes out, as is Mike McQuery (another ex player, our QB for 96 and 97, and a coach since 2000) who is in constant contact with Galen Hall upstairs. Furthermore, that awesome little injury last year that sidelined him in the press booth? Teaching the backup kicker how to do an onside kick. You go demonstrate how to kick/block/tackle etc in your 80's, and maybe then you can have a legit criticism of how much someone coaches.

    Sorry if I sound like a bit of a dick in this post, but this is a topic that seriously pisses me off. I think Bowden is/was borderline senile, had a win at all costs attitude and generally was not of a high moral value. I will not miss him coaching whatsoever. But I still fully believe he was involved in that team right up until the end. In fact, if he had been less involved, they may have done better. But he was involved.

    Same deal with Paterno. He may not make every minute decision on play calls and substitutions, but if you think for a second there is any doubt who is in charge, and who has final say on everything that goes on on that team, you are sorely mistaken.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    According to that article, Penn State is only .500 since 2000, and it brings up the point that was originally made: he's probably hurting PSU by staying there this long.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    According to that article, Penn State is only .500 since 2000, and it brings up the point that was originally made: he's probably hurting PSU by staying there this long.

    They were awful in the first half of the decade. Since 2005 though they've averaged I think 10 wins. Maybe just under.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    But if you look at the actual seasons, that's because he had a bad couple of years but has turned it around since then.

    I mean Frank Solich got fired for a 10-3 season, Joe's doing 9-4s now. Not every team can be in the National Championship.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Has anyone ever been fired with more than 6 years remaining on his contract? That's quite a feat for Weis.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    Callahan came close with five years left on his.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Yeah, they definitely turned things around from the early part of the decade.

    They were good through the 90s, then in 2000 went 5-7, 2001 went 5-6, '02 9-4, '03 3-9, '04 4-7. Only reason 2002 was a blip on there was because it was Larry Johnson's breakout season where he was truly exceptional.

    Since then the worst they've done is 9-4. So yes, there's been a couple very poor seasons in there, which is when most people were calling for retirement. But after 2005, he's been rather solid. Not exceptional, but quality.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    You only lost one game in 2005! An awesome game in an otherwise miserable season for us. But you know, one!

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  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Early in the decade PSU had some pretty bad offensive coaching. Things looked all right in 02, but they blew a close (and boring) game at the Cap One Bowl. 03 was a fairly large disaster offensively. Austin Scott (who set basically every PA highschool rushing record his senior year) came in and proceeded to get mono and rape a girl. Our wideout coaching was awful. Terrible, terrible year. Net result was Joepa having our offensive coordinator move to some admin position on the football team, bring back Galen Hall as offensive coordinator, bring in McQuery as the wideouts coach and recruitment coordinator in 2004.

    Also, after 2004 Paterno straight up said that "if we don't start winning agin, I need to get my butt out of here." He was under no delusion that the school owed him anything, and that he needed to perform. As opposed to Bowdens whole attitude that he made FSU football and he should decide when/how he goes.

    Oh, and as the little anecdote, after the coaching changes and revamped offensive scheme in 2005, PSU has gone 50-13, with wins in the Orange, Outback and Alamo bowls, and a loss in the Rose Bowl.


    TL;DR - Don't name a coach in waiting, and if your coach goes all Judge Dredd "I AM THE LAW" it's time to kick his ass to the curb.


    Edit: Fuck those two seconds.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Joe Pa got the same two seconds back, quit your bitching.

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  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Joe Pa got the same two seconds back, quit your bitching.

    No, he got a different two seconds. See how that changes everything?
    Don't tell the other PSU guys, but as heartbreaking as that loss was, the two seconds were fair enough to ask for. But goddam Michigan needs to hire a better time keeper. They fucked up again this year, thankfully it didn't matter.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Joe Pa got the same two seconds back, quit your bitching.

    No, he got a different two seconds. See how that changes everything?
    Don't tell the other PSU guys, but as heartbreaking as that loss was, the two seconds were fair enough to ask for. But goddam Michigan needs to hire a better time keeper. They fucked up again this year, thankfully it didn't matter.

    It's a statewide issue. Spartan Bob ::shakes fist::

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that there is an article on ESPN pointing out just how easy it was for the Irish to get nine wins this season, yet Weis choked
    All Weis really had to do to keep his job was to beat Navy and Connecticut at home and a Michigan team that finished 5-7. That would have made the Irish 9-3 and given the coach a strong argument to return for a sixth year. Yet he couldn't do that or avoid a disastrous four-game losing streak to end the season despite having one of the best quarterbacks in school history (Jimmy Clausen) and the finest receiving season ever by a Domer (Golden Tate).

    Notre Dame's best wins this season were against 8-4 Boston College, 6-6 Michigan State and 4-7 Washington. Not exactly the kind of victories you include in a great moments in history section of the media guide.

    ...

    Weis's failure was in not winning the games he should have won and never winning the games he wasn't expected to win. That's not a very high standard for the next guy to achieve

    As an ND season ticket holder, it was incredibly frustrating this year to see a team full of incredible talent (well, an offense full of talent, at least) that never played a complete game. The Irish regularly slept through the first three quarters, turning easily winnable games into last-minute nail biters.

    I think it's Willingham's fault...

    Racist.

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that there is an article on ESPN pointing out just how easy it was for the Irish to get nine wins this season, yet Weis choked
    All Weis really had to do to keep his job was to beat Navy and Connecticut at home and a Michigan team that finished 5-7. That would have made the Irish 9-3 and given the coach a strong argument to return for a sixth year. Yet he couldn't do that or avoid a disastrous four-game losing streak to end the season despite having one of the best quarterbacks in school history (Jimmy Clausen) and the finest receiving season ever by a Domer (Golden Tate).

    Notre Dame's best wins this season were against 8-4 Boston College, 6-6 Michigan State and 4-7 Washington. Not exactly the kind of victories you include in a great moments in history section of the media guide.

    ...

    Weis's failure was in not winning the games he should have won and never winning the games he wasn't expected to win. That's not a very high standard for the next guy to achieve

    As an ND season ticket holder, it was incredibly frustrating this year to see a team full of incredible talent (well, an offense full of talent, at least) that never played a complete game. The Irish regularly slept through the first three quarters, turning easily winnable games into last-minute nail biters.

    You know, I rarely actually watched whole ND games this year, but I always seemed to catch their end because...I have no idea. I guess their games lasted longer or started later. Whenever I watched them on offense though, they seemed to be hitting on all cylinders, but then I'd see the score and it tended to be dead even, and generally, not very high. To some degree, this is why I always kind of wondered about the Jimmy Clausen Heisman talk. If Notre Dame played at the end of games throughout their games, I can't see how they would have lost so many.

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Clausen and Tate didn't play defense. No Notre Dame players did, really. Offense wasn't the problem, they averaged 30 points and 450 yards. Weis isn't a good HC, but 90% of college teams would be thrilled to have him as OC.

    BubbaT wrote: »
    It was only last year that Florida State won 9 games and a share of the ACC-Atlantic. The only way they weren't performing is if you compare them to other Bowden teams, because there was only 1 non-Bowden Seminole team better in the days since they were winning the Dixie Conference.

    Bowden's record in the last five years is barely over 60%, and FSU is allegedly a top national program. Winning your conference means sweet fuck all these days if you don't have a legitimate shot at the national title. FSU hasn't finished in the Top 10 since the title game 11 years ago, and hasn't ranked higher than 23rd in the last five seasons. That's just bad, man.

    He just isn't performing the way expected of prestigious program. That's just how it goes, man.

    FSU's run in the 90s with 14 straight top 5 finishes was unprecedented, probably the greatest sustained run of any CFB program ever. Holding anyone to that standard is myopic. Even holding anyone to the "you have to contend for the MNC every year" standard is unrealistic. USC and Carroll aren't contending this year, Florida and Urban Meyer didn't contend in 2007. This isn't the 50s where 1 school could hog every player with unlimited scholarships.


    As for the Paterno comparison, JoePa had 3 losing seasons at Penn State and still got through, to the benefit of their program.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Was Bowden actually doing anything as it was? I had the impression that Fisher has basically been running the show the last couple years.

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  • Folken FanelFolken Fanel anime af When's KoFRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    BubbaT wrote: »
    Clausen and Tate didn't play defense. No Notre Dame players did, really. Offense wasn't the problem, they averaged 30 points and 450 yards. Weis isn't a good HC, but 90% of college teams would be thrilled to have him as OC.

    I think its more likely he'll be an OC for a pro team.

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  • Folken FanelFolken Fanel anime af When's KoFRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    FUCKING FUCK SHIT
    USA Today wrote:
    GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Florida's hopes of repeating as Southeastern Conference and national champions were dealt a major blow Tuesday morning.

    Gators junior defensive end Carlos Dunlap, the defensive MVP of last year's national championship game, was arrested by Gainesville Police officers Tuesday and booked in Alachua County jail on a DUI charge.

    ...

    The arrest figures to restart criticism of Florida's league issues. In the five years Urban Meyer has been the head coach there had been more than two dozen arrests prior to Dunlap's problems but none during the current season.

    The timing could not have been worse for Dunlap and the Gators. Dunlap has been forecast as a likely first-round NFL pick by some experts if he decides to leave school early. Florida (12-0 and ranked No. 1) meets No. 2 Alabama at 4 p.m. Saturday in Atlanta for the SEC title.

    The winner will advance to the national championship game and would faced Texas if the Longhorns win the Big 12 title on Saturday, as well.

    Florida has plenty of experienced backups to step in if Dunlap is suspended, which is almost certain.

    Hooray for depth I guess?
    god fucking dammit...

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  • BackstopBackstop Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Yeah, they definitely turned things around from the early part of the decade.

    They were good through the 90s, then in 2000 went 5-7, 2001 went 5-6, '02 9-4, '03 3-9, '04 4-7. Only reason 2002 was a blip on there was because it was Larry Johnson's breakout season where he was truly exceptional.

    Since then the worst they've done is 9-4. So yes, there's been a couple very poor seasons in there, which is when most people were calling for retirement. But after 2005, he's been rather solid. Not exceptional, but quality.

    Taliaferro's spine injury in 2000 really seemed to affect Paterno and shake something in him. It took a few years for him to get back on the horse.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    BubbaT wrote: »
    FSU's run in the 90s with 14 straight top 5 finishes was unprecedented, probably the greatest sustained run of any CFB program ever. Holding anyone to that standard is myopic.

    I'm not holding him to that standard. I'm holding him to the "you haven't finished in the top 20 for six years running and don't show any signs of improving" standard. I'm holding him to the same standard I'd hold any coach of a team of national prominence. The fact that he's the one that built the team into one of national prominence is sadly not pertinent to the issue.
    Even holding anyone to the "you have to contend for the MNC every year" standard is unrealistic. USC and Carroll aren't contending this year, Florida and Urban Meyer didn't contend in 2007.

    You're making false equivalences. Bowden hasn't contended for eleven seasons in a row. Sure, you're going to have your down years, even Texas is due for one next year, but you don't get to have down decades and keep your job.
    As for the Paterno comparison, JoePa had 3 losing seasons at Penn State and still got through, to the benefit of their program.

    Sure. But he's also had five Top Ten finishes in the last decade and has kept his team in title contention or BCS bowl contention just about every time. It's still not apples and oranges.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    It's ESPN, so take it with a grain of salt, but they're saying Notre Dame is inexplicably uninterested in Brian Kelly.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    It's ESPN, so take it with a grain of salt, but they're saying Notre Dame is inexplicably uninterested in Brian Kelly.

    It's Notre Dame, so ESPN's burden of proof is low. I'm not expecting this coaching search to make sense. I'm expecting a circus.

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    FUCKING FUCK SHIT
    USA Today wrote:
    GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Florida's hopes of repeating as Southeastern Conference and national champions were dealt a major blow Tuesday morning.

    Gators junior defensive end Carlos Dunlap, the defensive MVP of last year's national championship game, was arrested by Gainesville Police officers Tuesday and booked in Alachua County jail on a DUI charge.

    ...

    The arrest figures to restart criticism of Florida's league issues. In the five years Urban Meyer has been the head coach there had been more than two dozen arrests prior to Dunlap's problems but none during the current season.

    The timing could not have been worse for Dunlap and the Gators. Dunlap has been forecast as a likely first-round NFL pick by some experts if he decides to leave school early. Florida (12-0 and ranked No. 1) meets No. 2 Alabama at 4 p.m. Saturday in Atlanta for the SEC title.

    The winner will advance to the national championship game and would faced Texas if the Longhorns win the Big 12 title on Saturday, as well.

    Florida has plenty of experienced backups to step in if Dunlap is suspended, which is almost certain.

    Hooray for depth I guess?
    god fucking dammit...

    Dunlap will be suspended for the first half

    ... of the bus ride to the game.

    Also, he gets last choice of orange slices at halftime.

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Bobble wrote: »
    It's ESPN, so take it with a grain of salt, but they're saying Notre Dame is inexplicably uninterested in Brian Kelly.

    It's Notre Dame, so ESPN's burden of proof is low. I'm not expecting this coaching search to make sense. I'm expecting a circus.

    Notre Dame to hire Larry Kehres. At 275-21-3 and 10 national championships, his clear record of dominance in Division 3 proves that he's the "can't miss" candidate for leading Notre Dame back to a leadership position in FBS football.

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    BubbaT wrote: »
    FSU's run in the 90s with 14 straight top 5 finishes was unprecedented, probably the greatest sustained run of any CFB program ever. Holding anyone to that standard is myopic.

    I'm not holding him to that standard. I'm holding him to the "you haven't finished in the top 20 for six years running and don't show any signs of improving" standard. I'm holding him to the same standard I'd hold any coach of a team of national prominence. The fact that he's the one that built the team into one of national prominence is sadly not pertinent to the issue.
    Even holding anyone to the "you have to contend for the MNC every year" standard is unrealistic. USC and Carroll aren't contending this year, Florida and Urban Meyer didn't contend in 2007.

    You're making false equivalences. Bowden hasn't contended for eleven seasons in a row. Sure, you're going to have your down years, even Texas is due for one next year, but you don't get to have down decades and keep your job.
    As for the Paterno comparison, JoePa had 3 losing seasons at Penn State and still got through, to the benefit of their program.

    Sure. But he's also had five Top Ten finishes in the last decade and has kept his team in title contention or BCS bowl contention just about every time. It's still not apples and oranges.

    From 1995-2004, 10 years, Penn State didn't contend for a title. They had 1 top 10 finish in that 10 year span. I was wrong, they didn't have 3 losing seasons, they had 4 losing seasons - including back to back 9th place finishes in the Big Ten in '03 and '04. The last 5 years the cumulative record was 26-33 (.440).


    BTW - I think FSU will improve next year, and challenge for the ACC. They return 16 of 22 starters next year, and Christian Ponder would have been All-ACC this year if not for injury.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    '97 PSU was definitely contending for the national title.

    Of course, then the national champs came into Happy Valley and beat the tar out of them, but they were ranked second at the time.

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  • langfor6langfor6 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I don't remember Nebraska going to Happy Valley in '97.
    You leave Spartan Bob alone.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    langfor6 wrote: »
    I don't remember Nebraska going to Happy Valley in '97.
    You leave Spartan Bob alone.

    Spartan Bob should be shot. Also, class acts you've got up there in East Lansing.

    8 more Spartans suspended for the bowl game, including two of the three starting receivers and a starting corner.

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  • DaMoonRulzDaMoonRulz Mare ImbriumRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Thank god it's just 8 players and not the entire football program.

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  • langfor6langfor6 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    langfor6 wrote: »
    I don't remember Nebraska going to Happy Valley in '97.
    You leave Spartan Bob alone.

    Spartan Bob should be shot. Also, class acts you've got up there in East Lansing.

    8 more Spartans suspended for the bowl game, including two of the three starting receivers and a starting corner.

    Michigan chicks are ugly.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    langfor6 wrote: »
    langfor6 wrote: »
    I don't remember Nebraska going to Happy Valley in '97.
    You leave Spartan Bob alone.

    Spartan Bob should be shot. Also, class acts you've got up there in East Lansing.

    8 more Spartans suspended for the bowl game, including two of the three starting receivers and a starting corner.

    Michigan chicks are ugly.

    Ah, the quote that tells any Michigan fan they won the argument.

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I know that we rotate our defense pretty well throughout the year, but not having Dunlap is going to be a killer considering we're playing Alabama and could just choose to run right at Dunlap's back up. Our linebackers are going to have to play lights out, and the back up (I think Lemmons is the back up) will have to deliver a game of his life.

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