Recently saw this scans_daily and now I think I'm going to look for Red by Warren Ellis & Cully Hamner.
Spoilery.
Main character and nasty retired CIA black ops guy, Paul Moses, gets revenge on his former employers. He bursts into the new director's office, shoots dude, and holds them both at gunpoint.
He tells the director of the cia that he has murdered his wife and kids.
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Some more fun from Joe Kelly's Action Comics run, from AC #768:
Basically Superman helps the Marvel family (they were all basically over caffeinated and cussing) save Captain Marvel from a magic messup, and they stop a frog queen or somesuch from messing with magic. And then some nice moments like this:
Superman totally took Krypto out the back and blew his brains out, Old Yeller style. That story of him going to live at the Fortress was just for Lois' benefit.
I don't know, something about him just massively pisses me off. I don't complain about him too much because I can't really explain it (though I do have some real reasons why I don't like to read his stuff), but I was just reading this and it grated for some reason.
a dude with a sentry avatar hating superman is blowing my mind here
Sentry is interesting. He has all this physical power, but his mental state is in total chaos. Whereas Superman is just perfect all over.
Plus with Sentry, you just know its only a matter of time before he cracks. His own teammates are pissing their pants, they're so scared of him. Whereas Superman, you can go out and have a beer (er, I mean soda) with.
Man that Krypto story totally reads like they were going to put him down but then somebody in editorial said "no don't do that" and then they went I MEAN HE LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER THE END.
a dude with a sentry avatar hating superman is blowing my mind here
Sentry is interesting. He has all this physical power, but his mental state is in total chaos. Whereas Superman is just perfect all over.
This is the kind of thing that no one who has ever read a good Superman story always says.
The fact is, Superman is awesome just as the Sentry is awesome, albeit in a different way. Many writers have actually tried to give Superman some sort of psychosis, making him afraid of his own power, or painting him as someone who's unsure of himself and his role in humanity's destiny. But those takes usually wind up making Supes appear like a whiny, navel-gazing punk.
Superman works best when he's portrayed as a smart, powerful, confident guy, whose only great flaw is that he cares so damn much about all the tiny, frail things he's chosen to surround himself with. The drama of a good Superman story is never whether he'll come out of a situation okay; of course he will, he's Superman. It's whether everyone and everything else will.
This is the kind of thing that no one who has ever read a good Superman story always says.
The fact is, Superman is awesome just as the Sentry is awesome, albeit in a different way. Many writers have actually tried to give Superman some sort of psychosis, making him afraid of his own power, or painting him as someone who's unsure of himself and his role in humanity's destiny. But those takes usually wind up making Supes appear like a whiny, navel-gazing punk.
Superman works best when he's portrayed as a smart, powerful, confident guy, whose only great flaw is that he cares so damn much about all the tiny, frail things he's chosen to surround himself with. The drama of a good Superman story is never whether he'll come out of a situation okay; of course he will, he's Superman. It's whether everyone and everything else will.
That's what I don't really get about Superman, he's just that damn perfect. Not his powers, I can live with that, but his personality, he's a truly heroic person, he never has to overcome his own fear, never has to struggle with the immense amount of power he has, never has to deal with the fact that he is effectively a God, because it doesn't occur to him that his power would ever get in the way of the right thing. Now, I'm not a massive fan of that kind of character, though I would in no way claim that he is a poor character or that others shouldn't like him or anything like (One of the things in comics that annoys me most is when people say they don't like a character and he should be removed from the setting. What, because you don't like him nobody who does can enjoy him anyway? Fuck you, hypothetical person.)
Whereas Sentry to me seems more relatable. He has all that power and it's a struggle for him every day. You look at Rob Reynolds and you see a man who wants desperately to be a hero but is crippled by not just awful things that have happened to him but also his own failings. Every time I see the Sentry I'm filled with hope that this time he'll step up to the line and be a hero, and that keep me coming back to the character again and again. I'm hyper-pumped for DA #13 and #14 because I think that time could be coming up and it will be (to me anyway) awesome to read.
It's just a personal thing really, and as I said, Supes seems to grate on me for the reasons above plus the unexplainable dislike I have for the character (and the fact that I really don't like the bumbling Clark Kent side of his persona). I don't really hate him, I just can't seem to like him.
Something I gotta give Superman (from what little I read) is that I enjoy what I seen of his relationship with Louis. It's beating a dead horse, but it shows that the marriage in Spider-man didn't have to be erased.
That's what I don't really get about Superman, he's just that damn perfect. Not his powers, I can live with that, but his personality, he's a truly heroic person, he never has to overcome his own fear, never has to struggle with the immense amount of power he has, never has to deal with the fact that he is effectively a God, because it doesn't occur to him that his power would ever get in the way of the right thing.
In my personal view of Superman, I think he does struggle with his own issues, and has doubts sometimes, but ultimately, he gets over them, because that's what a man does, never mind a super man. He doesn't wallow in his own insecurities and failings, because he doesn't have time to, and because it would be pointless.
I remember someone once likening Superman to a paternal figure, caring for the entire world, and that's how I've looked at him ever since. Sure, sometimes he gets out of bed, and his back hurts, and someone stole his newspaper, and he ran out of coffee filters, and his wife's on his ass to take her on a vacation, and he really, really just wants to go have a beer and enjoy five minutes of peace and quiet.
And then he remembers that he has responsibilities and work to do, so he puts on his pajamas and goes to punch an alien invader in the face, just so he can get up tomorrow and do the same thing all over again.
You know what, after reading that description of Supes, I'm going to make a concerted effort to buy a Superman comic (probably a trade) and give it a good go. You never know, I might like him if I read it properly.
Some of those ACTION issues were really good (the Byrne/Perez team-up in issue #600, for instance) - the Barda/Superman porno issue was an example of a not-so-good issue. Byrne is actually defending the story in a recent thread (he defends his Scarlet Witch blowjob story as well):
You know what, after reading that description of Supes, I'm going to make a concerted effort to buy a Superman comic (probably a trade) and give it a good go. You never know, I might like him if I read it properly.
I'd recommend All-Star Superman. It's collected in two hardcovers, and is basically just a big, iconic Superman story. It's not in continuity, and it's drawn by Frank Quitely, whose style isn't to some people's taste, but it's probably the best Superman story of the past decade.
Otherwise, Superman: Up, Up, and Away and Superman: Brainiac are both quite good.
Some of those ACTION issues were really good (the Byrne/Perez team-up in issue #600, for instance) - the Barda/Superman porno issue was an example of a not-so-good issue. Byrne is actually defending the story in a recent thread (he defends his Scarlet Witch blowjob story as well):
Honestly, John Byrne is already forever ensconced in my mind as King Shithead of Idiot Mountain due to a litany of offenses. But implying that Big Barda, one of the most powerful, well-regarded, pro-feminism superheroes in the DCU, who was also heavily based on Jack Kirby's wife, was brainwashed and basically raped in an Apokoliptian fuck-film still manages to grate on me.
I'm perfectly happy to pretend that, in-continuity, something much more subdued and less retarded happened, or that one Crisis or another wiped that issue out altogether, but man that whole situation was just really another example of how treating women poorly was, and still is to a point, endemic of superhero comics.
And by the way, who the fuck thought it was a good idea to dredge up all the creepy Lady Blackhawk brainwashed love-slave shit again, not once, but twice in the past year or so? Combined with the implication that she and Huntress had a threesome with Hal Jordan, and it seems like writers either really don't like the character, or can't think of anything cooler to do with a two-fisted, hard-drinking, time-displaced World War II fighter pilot.
The story has been told before, of course. Jack Abel was handed that issue
to proofread, brought that scene into Howard Mackie's (the editor) office,
and said "Well, she's blowing him…" From which point, no one could see
anything else. To forestall a negative response, Howard had the top of
Wanda's head added to the pertinent panels, putting her at just under eye
level with Wonder Man. To this day, tho, this is referred to as "the blowjob
scene" -- which really makes one ask what it is some people think makes
Simon a wonder!
It's the culmination of thirteen or so issues of Scarlet Witch being royally fucked with (Vision deconstructed and rebuilt with no emotions, kids turning out to be figments of her imagination). She teams up with Magneto and goes evil - unfortunately, Byrne left the title before he finished the story.
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Spoilery.
He tells the director of the cia that he has murdered his wife and kids.
A couple pages of talking later.
Looks like somebody's got a case of the mondays.
Seriously, what an asshole. He didn't even wait for an answer to his question.
Ha! Same here. The rest of the post on S_D makes it look pretty good.
But this... This is gold. From S_D:
Basically Superman helps the Marvel family (they were all basically over caffeinated and cussing) save Captain Marvel from a magic messup, and they stop a frog queen or somesuch from messing with magic. And then some nice moments like this:
From Man of Steel #112:
And then Superman has to keep Krypto at the Fortress of Solitude because he's too rough around the edges (he calms down after Our Worlds at War):
My other option is a Basset Hound names Hoover.
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Sentry is interesting. He has all this physical power, but his mental state is in total chaos. Whereas Superman is just perfect all over.
Plus with Sentry, you just know its only a matter of time before he cracks. His own teammates are pissing their pants, they're so scared of him. Whereas Superman, you can go out and have a beer (er, I mean soda) with.
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This is the kind of thing that no one who has ever read a good Superman story always says.
The fact is, Superman is awesome just as the Sentry is awesome, albeit in a different way. Many writers have actually tried to give Superman some sort of psychosis, making him afraid of his own power, or painting him as someone who's unsure of himself and his role in humanity's destiny. But those takes usually wind up making Supes appear like a whiny, navel-gazing punk.
Superman works best when he's portrayed as a smart, powerful, confident guy, whose only great flaw is that he cares so damn much about all the tiny, frail things he's chosen to surround himself with. The drama of a good Superman story is never whether he'll come out of a situation okay; of course he will, he's Superman. It's whether everyone and everything else will.
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Hehheheheh haha.
Good one.
*rimshot*
What kind of robot? I mean, a Roomba's cheap and pipe is plentiful.
That's what I don't really get about Superman, he's just that damn perfect. Not his powers, I can live with that, but his personality, he's a truly heroic person, he never has to overcome his own fear, never has to struggle with the immense amount of power he has, never has to deal with the fact that he is effectively a God, because it doesn't occur to him that his power would ever get in the way of the right thing. Now, I'm not a massive fan of that kind of character, though I would in no way claim that he is a poor character or that others shouldn't like him or anything like (One of the things in comics that annoys me most is when people say they don't like a character and he should be removed from the setting. What, because you don't like him nobody who does can enjoy him anyway? Fuck you, hypothetical person.)
Whereas Sentry to me seems more relatable. He has all that power and it's a struggle for him every day. You look at Rob Reynolds and you see a man who wants desperately to be a hero but is crippled by not just awful things that have happened to him but also his own failings. Every time I see the Sentry I'm filled with hope that this time he'll step up to the line and be a hero, and that keep me coming back to the character again and again. I'm hyper-pumped for DA #13 and #14 because I think that time could be coming up and it will be (to me anyway) awesome to read.
It's just a personal thing really, and as I said, Supes seems to grate on me for the reasons above plus the unexplainable dislike I have for the character (and the fact that I really don't like the bumbling Clark Kent side of his persona). I don't really hate him, I just can't seem to like him.
In my personal view of Superman, I think he does struggle with his own issues, and has doubts sometimes, but ultimately, he gets over them, because that's what a man does, never mind a super man. He doesn't wallow in his own insecurities and failings, because he doesn't have time to, and because it would be pointless.
I remember someone once likening Superman to a paternal figure, caring for the entire world, and that's how I've looked at him ever since. Sure, sometimes he gets out of bed, and his back hurts, and someone stole his newspaper, and he ran out of coffee filters, and his wife's on his ass to take her on a vacation, and he really, really just wants to go have a beer and enjoy five minutes of peace and quiet.
And then he remembers that he has responsibilities and work to do, so he puts on his pajamas and goes to punch an alien invader in the face, just so he can get up tomorrow and do the same thing all over again.
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I'd recommend All-Star Superman. It's collected in two hardcovers, and is basically just a big, iconic Superman story. It's not in continuity, and it's drawn by Frank Quitely, whose style isn't to some people's taste, but it's probably the best Superman story of the past decade.
Otherwise, Superman: Up, Up, and Away and Superman: Brainiac are both quite good.
Honestly, John Byrne is already forever ensconced in my mind as King Shithead of Idiot Mountain due to a litany of offenses. But implying that Big Barda, one of the most powerful, well-regarded, pro-feminism superheroes in the DCU, who was also heavily based on Jack Kirby's wife, was brainwashed and basically raped in an Apokoliptian fuck-film still manages to grate on me.
I'm perfectly happy to pretend that, in-continuity, something much more subdued and less retarded happened, or that one Crisis or another wiped that issue out altogether, but man that whole situation was just really another example of how treating women poorly was, and still is to a point, endemic of superhero comics.
And by the way, who the fuck thought it was a good idea to dredge up all the creepy Lady Blackhawk brainwashed love-slave shit again, not once, but twice in the past year or so? Combined with the implication that she and Huntress had a threesome with Hal Jordan, and it seems like writers either really don't like the character, or can't think of anything cooler to do with a two-fisted, hard-drinking, time-displaced World War II fighter pilot.
Which is terrible.
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christ what are some writers thinking.
Hmmm potentially NSFW I guess (not really), so here's the link.
And here's what Byrne said about it:
New's flash Byrne... it's obvious what you intended. Especially given that originally the top of her head wasn't shown in the last two panels!!
The funny thing is that Bob started off as being this potentially more-interesting Superman. And then he turned out to be pretty dull.
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But, uh, I haven't seen many.
yeah, I really don't understand what is going on in that scan.
I mean, I get the BJ, but I don't know why scarlet witch is acting that way.
OR why she's doing it in front of other people.
not touchin this
this one is too easy