There was a suggestion in the Toronto Star today that Ignatieff should probably try and get Paul Martin back in some kind of financial advisor status, given the fact people do consider him one of the best financial ministers. The argument being that doing such would lend credibility to Ignatieff's economic policies and compete with Harper's new 'focus' on the economy that he seems to think the prorogation was for.
Behold the answer!
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Also, I just read that article and holy HELL. He sounds like a Pompous British Ass written by someone out to make the British seem nefarious. (Seriously, doesn't he sound like one of the bad guys in a Jane Austen novel or something?)
Further, either he's dissembling pretty fiercely or he has absolutely no idea about how Canadians actual feel. To claim that the Afghanistan issue is not something that resonates with Canadians is preposterous. My mother is possibly the least politically active creature I know, and she's pissed as hell about it.
Regarding H1N1 in Alberta: 69 total deaths, and that includes every person that died from causes other than H1N1 but also tested positive for H1N1.
Right; so let's say that just 10 of those 69 people would not have died if Stelmach wasn't delusional about the virus.
Stalmach just fucking killed 10 people with his insane delusions.
And as has already been pointed out, even that damning fact alone doesn't address the larger issue. If the virus had mutated into something much more deadly, Stelmach's inability to keep his decisions bound the real world could've killed millions of people, and rendered vaccines elsewhere ineffective.
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Any chance we can get Jean Chrétien back? I'm honestly starting to miss that guy.
This.
Only starting?
I mean, he was a corrupt SOB, but I expect nothing less.
But seriously, think of what he did for us:
- Invented the Shawinigan Handshake
- didn't fuck everything up when everything was doing good on it's own
- Knife vs Inuit Carving: The Ultimate Canadian Showdown
- smart enough to appoint a guy smart enough to keep us from getting fucked when the economy blew up
- made us all feel better cause we elected a guy who didn't look normal
- kept us out of Iraq ("You need our forces Mr. Bush? I'm sorry, their not home right now. You just missed them!")
And so on. He really was our Clinton. Not perfect in the least, but fuckloads better then what you normally seem to get.
Of course, we then elected Canadian Al Gore for awhile and then let him get stomped by Canadian GWB. I'm waiting for Canadian Obama to show up and save us all.
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I'm on the Facebook group against the prorogation of Parliament, and of course there are some Conservative party trolls on there. What really gets me is how it seems to be that they really think Harper is something special, and people are just being "haters" for having a dissenting opinion or making fun of him. I've always thought that was the worst, most dangerous, political trait for some one to have. I'm from a "Red Tory" background, and I never once voted Liberal the whole time Chretien was in power (too young to vote the first time he was elected, though, and in fact I've never voted for a Liberal) and I certainly laughed at the Chretien jokes, but I always had a certain respect for the guy and I have to admit he did a pretty decent job as PM. Harper simply isn't in the same league (though neither was Martin), not by a long shot. What I don't get, though, are the people who not only think he is, but take it all incredibly personally. One of the supporters of the Conservative parachute candidate who ran against Bill Casey after he was booted from caucus described Harper as "an arrow in God's hand". Really? That's something like what a crazy person would say about any politician.
The guy who started the "Canadians for proroguing parliament" facebook group (current membership: 196) wrote a blog post wherein he attempts to liken us to Birthers
The other similarity here is that a lot of this is driven by re-directed anger. Let’s face it - a lot of the more fanatical “Birther” people really are just angry that one of “those people” is the President and are in search of a somewhat more socially acceptable way of expressing it. Similarly, many on the Canadian left harbour an inchoate and inexpressible rage against the Prime Minister because he is, in their minds, a usurper, since only Liberals are entitled to rule the country. Since most of these people have enough sense to know that publicly declaring that, “the idea of a Prime Minister who isn’t a Liberal is fundamentally un-Canadian” they have instead made a habit of proclaiming that everything he does is somehow a violation of some basic democratic principle, a reflex rooted in their unspoken belief that his mere incumbency in office is some vast disturbance in the force.
Our MP bald-facedly lied in the local paper saying "nobody has contacted me saying they care about the proroguing of parliament!"
My parents and at least four of their friends here have emailed his office about it, and sent registered mail.
Dude, CONTACT THE REPORTER. I can't imagine a news reporter who wouldn't jump all over that shit, if you have PROOF that people have contacted the MP about it.
Our MP bald-facedly lied in the local paper saying "nobody has contacted me saying they care about the proroguing of parliament!"
My parents and at least four of their friends here have emailed his office about it, and sent registered mail.
Dude, CONTACT THE REPORTER. I can't imagine a news reporter who wouldn't jump all over that shit, if you have PROOF that people have contacted the MP about it.
My parents don't want to become "politicized" as it were, because they're fairly recent transplants. It's maddening because this dick is a real establishment figure to the area, and my parents don't want to become those guys who came from Toronto and are sticking their goddamn noses where they don't belong by god.
I actually didn't know a website like that existed, props to the G of C for putting out MPs votes like that
Because I am a numbers man, I have gone through all 157 recorded divisions of this past session and 86% of the time, the vote went strictly along party lines. However, amongst that 14% where there was some breaking of the ranks, only a grand total of 204 votes deviated from the party line. That's 204 votes out of more than 30,000. Am I alone in finding that completely obscene?
I actually didn't know a website like that existed, props to the G of C for putting out MPs votes like that
Because I am a numbers man, I have gone through all 157 recorded divisions of this past session and 86% of the time, the vote went strictly along party lines. However, amongst that 14% where there was some breaking of the ranks, only a grand total of 204 votes deviated from the party line. That's 204 votes out of more than 30,000. Am I alone in finding that completely obscene?
I bet I know which party broke party lines the most often. I'm also betting there's a big fat "0" for one party in particular.
I actually didn't know a website like that existed, props to the G of C for putting out MPs votes like that
Because I am a numbers man, I have gone through all 157 recorded divisions of this past session and 86% of the time, the vote went strictly along party lines. However, amongst that 14% where there was some breaking of the ranks, only a grand total of 204 votes deviated from the party line. That's 204 votes out of more than 30,000. Am I alone in finding that completely obscene?
I bet I know which party broke party lines the most often. I'm also betting there's a big fat "0" for one party in particular.
I happen to have those numbers as well.
Liberals 135, NDP 38, Conservatives 30, BQ 1. So no 0's, but damned if the Bloc didn't come close.
Attn: Rt. Hon. Prime Minister Stephen Harper
CC: Her Excellency the Governor General Michaelle Jean, Hon. Member John Cummins, Hon. Leader of the Opposition Michael Ignatieff
Prime Minister,
I am writing to express my extreme disappointment in your decision to prorogue Parliament for the second time in a single year, and my consternation at your office's attempt to convince Canadians that this is a precedented and necessary procedure.
You and your acolytes have repeatedly claimed that because previous Prime Ministers prorogued Parliament, you have the automatic right to do so whenever it suits. What you have failed to mention, quite conveniently, is that those Prime Ministers prorogued when their respective governments had accomplished their goals for that session of Parliament. Indeed, historically the prorogue has been used in Westminster Parliaments all over the world to signal that the formal work of the legislature has come to a halt. There can be no argument that the 40th Canadian Parliament did not succeed in fulfilling its goals and priorities as outlined in the Throne Speech of 26 January 2009.
In the Speech from the Throne, you promised a swift and complete economic recovery, outclassing all other G8 nations. In the end, Canada's economy recovered more slowly than any other G8 nation -- somehow, even the lumbering USA managed to outperform us. Key indicators such as unemployment and child poverty remain unacceptably high. By no reasonable assessment can this Parliament's business with regards to economic recovery be described as "complete".
Furthermore, the prorogue has resulted in all legislation dying on the table. This includes your vaunted reforms to criminal justice; reforms which you have repeatedly described as critical to protecting the safety of Canadians. Apparently our safety is not as important to you as we have been led to believe.
Your misuse of Parliamentary procedure to escape accountability to the legislature has inflicted grievous damage to the Constitutional order and stretches the limits of the power of the Prime Minister’s Office. It is my hope that you will take this letter, and recent polls showing that over 65 per cent of Canadians are unhappy with your decision, as a warning that Canadians are not at all pleased with your treatment of Canada's democratic institutions.
Sincerely
Next week I plan to show up at my MP's office and yell at his staffers. Write letters and call your MPs you fucks
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I was just lamenting this to my mother the other night.
Seriously, we traded a $2 million scandal for *this*?
Behold the answer!
Psh, the liberals needed to be punished.
by punishing the entire country.
Also, I just read that article and holy HELL. He sounds like a Pompous British Ass written by someone out to make the British seem nefarious. (Seriously, doesn't he sound like one of the bad guys in a Jane Austen novel or something?)
Further, either he's dissembling pretty fiercely or he has absolutely no idea about how Canadians actual feel. To claim that the Afghanistan issue is not something that resonates with Canadians is preposterous. My mother is possibly the least politically active creature I know, and she's pissed as hell about it.
Absolutely confounding.
It serves us right for voting Liberal!
Jesus fuck...
Also I concur with the sentiment that I'd rather petty corruption than this bullshit.
Right; so let's say that just 10 of those 69 people would not have died if Stelmach wasn't delusional about the virus.
Stalmach just fucking killed 10 people with his insane delusions.
And as has already been pointed out, even that damning fact alone doesn't address the larger issue. If the virus had mutated into something much more deadly, Stelmach's inability to keep his decisions bound the real world could've killed millions of people, and rendered vaccines elsewhere ineffective.
Only starting?
I mean, he was a corrupt SOB, but I expect nothing less.
But seriously, think of what he did for us:
- Invented the Shawinigan Handshake
- didn't fuck everything up when everything was doing good on it's own
- Knife vs Inuit Carving: The Ultimate Canadian Showdown
- smart enough to appoint a guy smart enough to keep us from getting fucked when the economy blew up
- made us all feel better cause we elected a guy who didn't look normal
- kept us out of Iraq ("You need our forces Mr. Bush? I'm sorry, their not home right now. You just missed them!")
And so on. He really was our Clinton. Not perfect in the least, but fuckloads better then what you normally seem to get.
Of course, we then elected Canadian Al Gore for awhile and then let him get stomped by Canadian GWB. I'm waiting for Canadian Obama to show up and save us all.
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He was very poopular with da pubic!
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Yes come to Canada where we might have committed war crimes! Enjoy the donuts!
Yeah, but that's a positive. Imagine what it would have done to our immigration numbers!
Well, I don't know what gay marriage did, but the pot would have made it look like they were flying.
Really, this.
I'm on the Facebook group against the prorogation of Parliament, and of course there are some Conservative party trolls on there. What really gets me is how it seems to be that they really think Harper is something special, and people are just being "haters" for having a dissenting opinion or making fun of him. I've always thought that was the worst, most dangerous, political trait for some one to have. I'm from a "Red Tory" background, and I never once voted Liberal the whole time Chretien was in power (too young to vote the first time he was elected, though, and in fact I've never voted for a Liberal) and I certainly laughed at the Chretien jokes, but I always had a certain respect for the guy and I have to admit he did a pretty decent job as PM. Harper simply isn't in the same league (though neither was Martin), not by a long shot. What I don't get, though, are the people who not only think he is, but take it all incredibly personally. One of the supporters of the Conservative parachute candidate who ran against Bill Casey after he was booted from caucus described Harper as "an arrow in God's hand". Really? That's something like what a crazy person would say about any politician.
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What the christ.
The best air farce show in history was when him and the bald headed reporter dude kicked their imposters off
assuming he means liberal and not Liberal :P
took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
Our MP bald-facedly lied in the local paper saying "nobody has contacted me saying they care about the proroguing of parliament!"
My parents and at least four of their friends here have emailed his office about it, and sent registered mail.
No, he's just an abject liar and generally all around awful person
http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/ProfileMP.aspx?Key=128368&SubSubject=1006&Language=E
spoiler: it's all going to shit
I like how the government is like CUT BACK SOCIAL SERVICES TO PAY OFF DEBT
then
HEY LETS SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS TO HOUSE POT SMOKERS FOR 5-10 YEARS
I hope harper slips and falls and snaps his boner in half
To what are you referring to? I guess harper's got a pretty big dick, considering Canada is sore already and he isn't finished yet
The money shot is going to be brutal
Dude, CONTACT THE REPORTER. I can't imagine a news reporter who wouldn't jump all over that shit, if you have PROOF that people have contacted the MP about it.
My parents don't want to become "politicized" as it were, because they're fairly recent transplants. It's maddening because this dick is a real establishment figure to the area, and my parents don't want to become those guys who came from Toronto and are sticking their goddamn noses where they don't belong by god.
Because I am a numbers man, I have gone through all 157 recorded divisions of this past session and 86% of the time, the vote went strictly along party lines. However, amongst that 14% where there was some breaking of the ranks, only a grand total of 204 votes deviated from the party line. That's 204 votes out of more than 30,000. Am I alone in finding that completely obscene?
I bet I know which party broke party lines the most often. I'm also betting there's a big fat "0" for one party in particular.
I happen to have those numbers as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast
That depends, they might have been voting that way because they were more [strike]right wing[/strike] crazy then Harper
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Next week I plan to show up at my MP's office and yell at his staffers. Write letters and call your MPs you fucks