Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
If they fired the bullet straight up, it will come down at its terminal velocity or near it, but won't be going any faster than if you simply dropped it from its peak height. Its the same idea as throwing a penny of the Empire State Building. Its highly unlikely for the speed to be fast enough to kill someone. The way someone can die from a bullet being shot at an upward angle such that it retains enough of its horizontal velocity when it comes down to earth.
I am more outraged at what I see as a sheer disregard for Occam's razor by you people than I am at the prospect of someone shooting a bullet through an empty building's window as a form of domestic terrorism!
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Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
Firing into water is quite different from piercing two or maybe three layers of 1,5mm thick glass.
Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
Yes but I seriously, seriously doubt that 1 pane of glass was enough to keep it from going through a paper thin set of window blinds, although obviously I'm no expert.
Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
Yes, however the resistance given by a fraction of an inch of glass is vastly less than 60+ inches of water.
And I loved that episode.
Watching them fire a 50 caliber sniper rifle into a swimming pool never gets old.
Almost as much fun as watching them vaporize a cement truck with high explosives.
They really have the best job in the world.
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Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
I just watched an episode of Human Target where the guy shot a gun underwater and killed a guy on the edge of the pool.
Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
Yes but I seriously, seriously doubt that 1 pane of glass was enough to keep it from going through a paper thin set of window blinds, although obviously I'm no expert.
Couldn't the bullet have knocked the blinds out of the way rather than penetrate them? I mean, they're more flexible and less immobile than a pane of glass.
Though, I admit I'm not a ballistics expert. Or a physics expert for that matter.
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Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
I just watched an episode of Human Target where the guy shot a gun underwater and killed a guy on the edge of the pool.
I love the physics in this show.
Well, you could kill him through the shockwave the shot creates and sends through the water. But not from the bullet itself.
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Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
Water creates tons of drag, and it's a continuous force. Windows are thin and brittle, and represent one point of impact to slow a bullet.
I am more outraged at what I see as a sheer disregard for Occam's razor by you people than I am at the prospect of someone shooting a bullet through an empty building's window as a form of domestic terrorism!
I just think it's weird that you're only questioning that one specific peice of the report, and not curious about what info we don't have. Like the state of the round after passing through the window, the caliber, any kind of actual expert talking about the force it would be entering the window, what kind of glass (in a first floor window, I wouldn't think it would be reinforced, but who knows), etc.
I'm not an expert or anything, but having fired a few different types of guns in my life I personally think it sounds much weirder that a bullet would go through the window and land like it sounds like it landed on the floor if it was fired directly at the window on purpose. If it was fired from so great a distance, and was such a low powered weapon that it lost all effective momentum after the glass, I question how the person firing it was able to hit the window at all in one shot. If there were a bunch of rounds found outside that hit the wall next to the window, then of course that's what I would assume happned. But one shot perfectly lined up to hit the window, with the distance and/or type of round/weapon allowing it to lose enough momentum to fall harmlessly to the floor? Yes, that sounds more strange to me.
Once again, I might be wrong, and I'll wait for the ballistics report, but that's why it sounds like the random occurrence is more likely.
Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
I just watched an episode of Human Target where the guy shot a gun underwater and killed a guy on the edge of the pool.
I love the physics in this show.
Well, you could kill him through the shockwave the shot creates and sends through the water. But not from the bullet itself.
No you are reading the situation backwards.
The gun was fired underwater and killed someone who was standing not in the water at the edge of the pool. So there was no shockwave reaching the dude because he was not in the water.
Anyways the point is it's an awesome show and I don't care if it was possible or not, that was really cool.
There is obviously much more information we don't have and the two sentences of that police report would inherently limit the certainty of any conclusion we might draw.
What I am responding to is this jumping to the conclusion that the bullet was randomly fired and arced downward through the window.
Don't bullets lose significant momentum when they travel through stuff? I saw a Mythbusters where bullets lost all momentum like 5 feet after being shot into water.
Yes but I seriously, seriously doubt that 1 pane of glass was enough to keep it from going through a paper thin set of window blinds, although obviously I'm no expert.
Couldn't the bullet have knocked the blinds out of the way rather than penetrate them? I mean, they're more flexible and less immobile than a pane of glass.
Though, I admit I'm not a ballistics expert. Or a physics expert for that matter.
Possible, but the bullet was on the floor like a foot away. So either the blinds are bullet proof or the glass absorbed most of the velocity.
There is obviously much more information we don't have and the two sentences of that police report would inherently limit the certainty of any conclusion we might draw.
What I am responding to is this jumping to the conclusion that the bullet was randomly fired and arced downward through the window.
That is not a conclusion that the people in this thread came to, it was a conclusion that the police who actually saw the scene came to. That is the situation that is related to us in the report. Essentially you're saying the police are jumping to conclusions, when they have the full facts, and we don't. That's what seems weird about what you're arguing.
Next thing you know, a black democrat will attack a poor innocent white girl from Pennsylvania and carve a backwards B into her face, for Barack.. or oBama... or... healthcare.. Bill...
Qingu's right. We should probably wait until a more complete report is released.
It would be an awful weird coincidence that a bullet could land in the very office used by a guy rallying against HCR during a string of violent threats, and while weirder coincidences have happened before, we shouldn't jump to any conclusions until more is known.
Law enforcement officials say a package with white powder was sent to Congressman Weiner's Queens office today.
A preliminary review shows the letter in part complained about the historic health care legislation passed by Congress this week, according to the source.
Weiner's office is on the fifth floor of a building on Kew Gardens Road in Queens. Law enforcement officials said a doctor's office and a law office on the floor were among those evacuated as a precaution. Nine people were inside Weiner's office at the time.
In a statement, Weiner acknowledged that his office received a suspicious envelope and said his prime concern is the safety of his staff and others in the area.
"Earlier today an envelope containing white powder and a threatening letter was delivered to my community office in Kew Gardens. The NYPD was immediately alerted and have responded appropriately by sending a Haz-Mat team," the statement read. "Any questions related to their response should be directed to the NYPD. My first priority is the safety of my staff and neighbors, and the authorities are currently taking steps to investigate and resolve the situation."
The NYPD, the FBI and other emergency management officials are at the scene as a precaution, spokesmen for the agencies say. Weiner's Kew Gardens office will be closed pending the completion of the investigation. As is routine, preliminary field testing is underway to determine whether the substance is in any way hazardous. Then it will be sent to a lab for further detailed testing as a precaution. Officials say most often, these letters are hoaxes.
Q: Do you hope to get this to the Supreme Court sooner rather than later. Some of the provisions are already going into effect.
A: One thing I want to make clear is our lawsuit targets very specific provisions. We don’t have constitutional concerns with many aspects of the bill. It’s clearly within the federal power to regulate healthcare insurance, for example…. This is about specific provisions … and as to how the federal government is expanding its power through those provisions. So these are questions that should be resolved, but those provisions which take effect this year are addressed in our lawsuit. Some of the provisions don’t take effect until 2014.
Q: But it has to do with how this is all tied together, does it not?
A: Yes. The individual insurance mandate doesn’t take effect until 2014 – so that if you are right, the Congress doesn’t implement them for four years. So there is time here ... to calm down and allow the process of checks and balances to do its work.
What is he referring to that takes place this year?
Unless the vandal was a computer, the odds of someone intentionally firing a round and hitting something on the downward arc is nil. Rounds can travel long distances, it was likely from an unrelated incident.
What are the odds of anyone's window being shattered from a bullet arcing downwards from being fired into the air? Has that happened, ever?
I'm going to believe the police's report over some guy on the internet's wild conjecture.
I don't know Richmond very well; are there any taller buildings around Cantor's office? Or, was there a helicopter around there dispensing bullets and folksy winking gibberish about failure to stop socialism?
Those are the only two scenarios I can think of for a direct shot.
Looks like a couple multi-story buildings around, but no sky scrapers, and it doesn't look like anything high enough to get an angle that let's you shoot the window without penetrating the blinds.
The staffers who wrote Obamacare slipped in a hidden gem: They exempted themselves, Obama, and his staff from the new regulations. Should this exemption be repealed?
I am more outraged at what I see as a sheer disregard for Occam's razor by you people than I am at the prospect of someone shooting a bullet through an empty building's window as a form of domestic terrorism!
To apply Occam's razor first we need to know the number of guns in America, then the number of those that are fired in the air every week and now often. Then we can work out building densities in the area's that guns are most likely fired into the air, then frontage of buildings with glass, then factor in the number of people who fail to report and BAM! before you know it it turns out that 17 windows are broken in America every second by falling bullets.
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There's no way the Klobb could pierce a windowpane.
Firing into water is quite different from piercing two or maybe three layers of 1,5mm thick glass.
Yes but I seriously, seriously doubt that 1 pane of glass was enough to keep it from going through a paper thin set of window blinds, although obviously I'm no expert.
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Seriously. A Klobb couldn't shoot its way out of a paper bag.
Yes, however the resistance given by a fraction of an inch of glass is vastly less than 60+ inches of water.
And I loved that episode.
Watching them fire a 50 caliber sniper rifle into a swimming pool never gets old.
Almost as much fun as watching them vaporize a cement truck with high explosives.
They really have the best job in the world.
I just watched an episode of Human Target where the guy shot a gun underwater and killed a guy on the edge of the pool.
I love the physics in this show.
Damn you kevin Lobb!
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Couldn't the bullet have knocked the blinds out of the way rather than penetrate them? I mean, they're more flexible and less immobile than a pane of glass.
Though, I admit I'm not a ballistics expert. Or a physics expert for that matter.
Well, you could kill him through the shockwave the shot creates and sends through the water. But not from the bullet itself.
I actually drove by his childhood home yesterday. And he's a Massachusetts Dem but this is OT.
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They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I just think it's weird that you're only questioning that one specific peice of the report, and not curious about what info we don't have. Like the state of the round after passing through the window, the caliber, any kind of actual expert talking about the force it would be entering the window, what kind of glass (in a first floor window, I wouldn't think it would be reinforced, but who knows), etc.
I'm not an expert or anything, but having fired a few different types of guns in my life I personally think it sounds much weirder that a bullet would go through the window and land like it sounds like it landed on the floor if it was fired directly at the window on purpose. If it was fired from so great a distance, and was such a low powered weapon that it lost all effective momentum after the glass, I question how the person firing it was able to hit the window at all in one shot. If there were a bunch of rounds found outside that hit the wall next to the window, then of course that's what I would assume happned. But one shot perfectly lined up to hit the window, with the distance and/or type of round/weapon allowing it to lose enough momentum to fall harmlessly to the floor? Yes, that sounds more strange to me.
Once again, I might be wrong, and I'll wait for the ballistics report, but that's why it sounds like the random occurrence is more likely.
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No you are reading the situation backwards.
The gun was fired underwater and killed someone who was standing not in the water at the edge of the pool. So there was no shockwave reaching the dude because he was not in the water.
Anyways the point is it's an awesome show and I don't care if it was possible or not, that was really cool.
What I am responding to is this jumping to the conclusion that the bullet was randomly fired and arced downward through the window.
Possible, but the bullet was on the floor like a foot away. So either the blinds are bullet proof or the glass absorbed most of the velocity.
With or without it, Cantor is a tool that is blaming the victim.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Smartly dumb, more like. Or dumbly smart.
Anyway, so, like, yeah.
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That is not a conclusion that the people in this thread came to, it was a conclusion that the police who actually saw the scene came to. That is the situation that is related to us in the report. Essentially you're saying the police are jumping to conclusions, when they have the full facts, and we don't. That's what seems weird about what you're arguing.
Edit: and yeah wow super off-topic, I'll stop!
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They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
It would be an awful weird coincidence that a bullet could land in the very office used by a guy rallying against HCR during a string of violent threats, and while weirder coincidences have happened before, we shouldn't jump to any conclusions until more is known.
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What is he referring to that takes place this year?
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Looks like a couple multi-story buildings around, but no sky scrapers, and it doesn't look like anything high enough to get an angle that let's you shoot the window without penetrating the blinds.
Why do I not believe this?
To apply Occam's razor first we need to know the number of guns in America, then the number of those that are fired in the air every week and now often. Then we can work out building densities in the area's that guns are most likely fired into the air, then frontage of buildings with glass, then factor in the number of people who fail to report and BAM! before you know it it turns out that 17 windows are broken in America every second by falling bullets.
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