If Mark Hamill isn't playing the Joker, then screw it. They lost their chance to get me watching Batman movies again.
While I don't think he's fit to physically play the part of Joker, I will accept no other voice. All they need to do is get someone else to play the Joker physically and voice over him with Hamill.
I love all stories about the DCU's future, and have Batman being the voice of reason that brings everyone back.
I liked DKR, and DKSA for these very reasons. They hate Batman now because he's always toeing the line, but when they cross that line in the future, he's always there to bring them back.
So I finally picked up DC All-Star Batman and Robin issue 2 today. I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not I like it. On one hand, I'm not all too thrilled about the psychotic kidnapper that Miller has turned Batman into, but on the other hand I'm rather intrigued by the whole corrupt cop story. I also think that Batman being dramatically insane kind of makes sense, but Miller has portrayed him to have lost all sense of rationality in this story. Seriously, having him fry all of those cops really crossed the line if you ask me. That kind of shit could fly in Dark Knight Returns because Wayne was getting old and frustrated, but having Batman pull that crap in his prime is illogical and stupid. Oh yes, and those scenes with Vicki were absolutely horrendous.
I have heard that Jim Carrey had been approached to be The Joker, but that came by way of mouth to me, and could well be bollocks.
That is bollocks, no way they would get someone who was a completly different villian in the second shittiest bat movie to play the joker, never.
Look everyone its a 2 minute paul bettany joker!
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God help us if Jim Carrey plays the Joker in the next Batman movie. Paul Bettany looks like he could fit, though I'm still a strong supporter of Adrian Brody. With a Brittany Murphy Harley Quinn.
I really wish someone would make another Batman elseworlds, with a pulp Batman. Did Batman ever appear in Sandman Mystery Theater?
If you haven't yet gotten a chance, track down Batman: Black and White, both columes. It is deliciously chockfull of Batman goodness, some pulp, but just good stories overall. Lotta great writers have stories in it
That would be cool. I am a big fan of pulp characters. I really want to see pulpy Batman using pistols and stuff, driving around in a 30s car, having a gyrocopter or biplane. Basically, put Batman in some period pulp thing, like ths Shadow, The Rocketerr, sky Captain, etc. I really loved JSA Liberty Files. that was some great stuff. Loved the character designs and everything.
I think that is the general consesus. Certainly dont read Year Two. It is an awful awful story that doesnt exist. La lalalala
Batman Archives Volume is pretty amazing. Batman was much harder edged back then. At least before Robin showed up.
I am really not comfortable with the idea of youth sidekicks at all. Batman training an apprentice for a really long time is one thing. Do not permit the apprentice to act as a vigilante until the kid is 16 or 18. Put him through a thorough training program/education until then. You shouldnt be taking a kid along with you while you fight crime.
I understand that teen sidekicks were originally created for a variety of reasons. It gives the main character someone to explain things to, instead of all the monologues, so the reader knows what is going on. Sidekicks also give the reader someone to relate. IT makes a lot easier for kids to be pretned to be a boy who is helping a superhero if there really is a sidekick.
The entire idea of official sidekicks is problematic with the increase in realism. Books like Young Avengers handle the teen superhero thing a little more realistically I suppose. I really should try a few issues of that out. The Legion of Superheroes also makes sense. They are kids that dont have the approval of otherwise sane and respectable superheroes.
Batgirl makes much more sense to me as Batman's apprentice due to her situation. Dick could have easily been placed with foster parents. Ditto for Jason. Tim could have done something to help Batman withuot becoming Robin. Something similar to an info gather maybe. I dont know anything about Spoiler.
Suspension of disbelief can only go so far against hte current trend of making comics more real.
The man who laughs is a great story too that introduces the Joker and takes place not long inbetween Year 1 and the Long Halloween. It wasn't released that long ago so it shouldn't be too hard to get hold of either.
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I think I'll pick that up, then. Man, I need to find a comic shop close to me. I know of one sort of close, but it's still a bit far and I don't drive.
Also, I'm afraid of going in to comic shops because I fear the people there are all like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, even though I know they aren't.
I think I'll pick that up, then. Man, I need to find a comic shop close to me. I know of one sort of close, but it's still a bit far and I don't drive.
Also, I'm afraid of going in to comic shops because I fear the people there are all like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, even though I know they aren't.
I think I'll pick that up, then. Man, I need to find a comic shop close to me. I know of one sort of close, but it's still a bit far and I don't drive.
Also, I'm afraid of going in to comic shops because I fear the people there are all like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, even though I know they aren't.
Upper right hand corner, click on "Find comic shops"
Helped me find a couple in my area that I didn't know existed.
There's actually a store pretty close to me, but they don't have The Man Who Laughs in.
Edit: I called the one I knew about before (my boss goes there all the time, he gave me their business card). They don't have it in (just sold their last one today), but he took down my name and number and will call me if they get more in.
Would I "lose anything" if I read the Long Halloween or anything else before The Man Who Laughs?
Damn you Batman for grabbing ahold of me. I don't want to order any more off the internet, because it sucks to wait a week for something to come in, and then finish it in 2 hours or so. It just makes me want more.
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My store got in a copy of Batman Begins (DVD), just the normal edition. It doesn't include shit on it. It's literally just the movie.
Oh well, I'll be getting the Deluxe Edition. Circuit City and Best Buy are advertising it for $23, which is fine. I would've paid more than that from Amazon (who has it for $15) with 1-day shipping, because I'm an impatient bastard.
Would I "lose anything" if I read the Long Halloween or anything else before The Man Who Laughs?
Nothing whatsoever. It's pretty much a stand-alone story that introduces the Joker so the only thing you're "losing" is a great Joker story. It won't really change anything if you read the long halloween before.
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Would I "lose anything" if I read the Long Halloween or anything else before The Man Who Laughs?
Nothing whatsoever. It's pretty much a stand-alone story that introduces the Joker so the only thing you're "losing" is a great Joker story. It won't really change anything if you read the long halloween before.
Alright, I think I'll do that.
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This is getting a bit off topic, but what is Bizarro's origin in the post-Crisis DCU? The original Bizarro was an imperfect clone of Superboy, then there was the Bizarro world where there were bizarro versions of everybody (Superman, Batman, Lois, Perry)... What's the deal now? Are they from another dimension?
Bizarro World was erased from the history of the DC Universe during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Since then, two Bizarros have been created by Lex Luthor. However, in the post-Crisis version, the imperfections in the duplicates are eventually fatal. The first Bizarro created Post-Crisis appeared in Man of Steel #5 (1986). A Bizarro-Superboy was created by Project Cadmus, when they used the same process in their attempts to clone Superman. It was also used to create a Bizarro-Harley Quinn after Bizarro developed a crush on Quinn. The current version of Bizarro has a very different origin, having been created by the Joker by the use of the powers of Mr. Mxyzptlk; his first appearance was in Superman Vol. 2 #160, and he seems to be the longest lived Post-Crisis Bizarro yet.
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Appearance
Unlike the original Bizarro, the Post-Crisis Bizarro is not chalky and angular. Instead, he has a greyish skin-tone, yellow eyes, an overly muscular body, and a maniacal smile. Bizarro has a purple and green uniform, and the logo on his chest is inverted, so the "S" is backwards.
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Abilities
While in the past Bizarro's abilities have been the same as Superman's, it is now common for Bizarro's heat-vision and freezing-breath to be "reversed": flaming-breath and freezing-vision. He has also been discovered to be physically more powerful than Superman, but the nature of his fractured mind leaves him unable to access that potential.
Post-Crisis Bizarro has only encountered Blue Kryptonite on one occasion, when Batzarro presented him with a ring set with a stone of it. The ring caused Bizarro to speak normally and act rationally, but he was still afraid of the ring. The ring appeared to have no effect on Batzarro.
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Linguistics
Post-Crisis Bizarro adopted all of the linguistic idiosyncracies of his pre-crisis self, but also negates every possible word in the sentence. Though the usage is slightly inconsistent, this usually includes:
* Negating verbs.
* Replacing adjectives with their opposite.
* Replacing certain nouns with their opposite.
The ultimate end of this causes sentences to frequently have double and triple negatives. Combined with the fact that Bizarro's logic is already flawed, this causes some of his dialogue to be very difficult to follow.
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Batzarro
Recently, Jeph Loeb has introduced a Bizarro-Batman, "Batzarro", into the comic book universe in Superman/Batman. His origin is unknown, but his speech patterns are almost identical to those of Bizarro. Just as Bizarro has an inverted "S" on his chest, Batzarro has Batman's logo on his chest, but it is upside-down.
According to Bizarro "Him no come from same place as Bizarro #1. That am why we am so different." This may indicate that Batzarro was also created as part of Joker's World.
According to Bizarro "Him no come from same place as Bizarro #1. That am why we am so different." This may indicate that Batzarro was also created as part of Joker's World.
from wikipedia.
Wouldn't "Him no come from same place as Bizarro #1. That am why we am so different." mean they ARE from the same place and that's why they're so similar?
According to Bizarro "Him no come from same place as Bizarro #1. That am why we am so different." This may indicate that Batzarro was also created as part of Joker's World.
from wikipedia.
Wouldn't "Him no come from same place as Bizarro #1. That am why we am so different." mean they ARE from the same place and that's why they're so similar?
That's why it says 'This may indicate that Batzarro was also created as part of Joker's World'. That's where Bizarro is from.
According to Bizarro "Him no come from same place as Bizarro #1. That am why we am so different." This may indicate that Batzarro was also created as part of Joker's World.
from wikipedia.
Wouldn't "Him no come from same place as Bizarro #1. That am why we am so different." mean they ARE from the same place and that's why they're so similar?
That's why it says 'This may indicate that Batzarro was also created as part of Joker's World'. That's where Bizarro is from.
Upon reading the article, I see what that line meant. I feel like a fool. But moreso, I feel like DC fucked up in ever erasing as perfect a concept as Bizarro World.
Man I just got back into comics and quit Batman again. I stopped reading during the beginning of the mediocre War Games and promptly dropped all comics but Gotham Central and Y: The Last Man. Got some back issues from a friend and WTF...
1. Jason Todd is back from the dead for reals this time.
2. What I loved about Batman was he was an asshole that was grim and witty but still likeable. Now he's just a fucking dick who alienates everyone he knows.
3. The Clocktower is gone.
4. Praise the saints Stephanie Brown is dead, but they had to bring a villain back who had the perfect death scene to do the little brat in!
5. He is now an outlaw again due to being a huge fucking screw up.
6. Super pacifist/nice lady/surrogate mother Leslie Thompkins is now a murderer and disowned from the Bat-family.
7. The Joker isn't even a joke. He isn't funny. He is just a big fucking pussy who gets his ass handed to him by every new villain.
What did Batman do to the writers for them to hurt him so bad?
I have been reading a lot of Batman lately. The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told, Batman Archives v1, Batman World's Finest V1, The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told, etc. I really enjoy the very beginning of Batman, before Robin showed up. I also like Batman in the 70s and 80s. Current Batman, not so much.
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Man I just got back into comics and quit Batman again. I stopped reading during the beginning of the mediocre War Games and promptly dropped all comics but Gotham Central and Y: The Last Man. Got some back issues from a friend and WTF...
1. Jason Todd is back from the dead for reals this time.
2. What I loved about Batman was he was an asshole that was grim and witty but still likeable. Now he's just a fucking dick who alienates everyone he knows.
3. The Clocktower is gone.
4. Praise the saints Stephanie Brown is dead, but they had to bring a villain back who had the perfect death scene to do the little brat in!
5. He is now an outlaw again due to being a huge fucking screw up.
6. Super pacifist/nice lady/surrogate mother Leslie Thompkins is now a murderer and disowned from the Bat-family.
7. The Joker isn't even a joke. He isn't funny. He is just a big fucking pussy who gets his ass handed to him by every new villain.
What did Batman do to the writers for them to hurt him so bad?
Joker seemed to hand Black Mask his ass pretty easy.
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While I don't think he's fit to physically play the part of Joker, I will accept no other voice. All they need to do is get someone else to play the Joker physically and voice over him with Hamill.
Oh no...
The Joker!
I hope someone gets that from Mask of the Phantasm...
That is bollocks, no way they would get someone who was a completly different villian in the second shittiest bat movie to play the joker, never.
Look everyone its a 2 minute paul bettany joker!
Also, it's a good film.
I love all stories about the DCU's future, and have Batman being the voice of reason that brings everyone back.
I liked DKR, and DKSA for these very reasons. They hate Batman now because he's always toeing the line, but when they cross that line in the future, he's always there to bring them back.
It is in Spanish and I cant read it.
God help us if Jim Carrey plays the Joker in the next Batman movie. Paul Bettany looks like he could fit, though I'm still a strong supporter of Adrian Brody. With a Brittany Murphy Harley Quinn.
If you haven't yet gotten a chance, track down Batman: Black and White, both columes. It is deliciously chockfull of Batman goodness, some pulp, but just good stories overall. Lotta great writers have stories in it
This, this or this?
My personal favorite.
This one is also rather sexy.
Too small though.
http://comics.ign.com/articles/657/657965p1.html
Batman Archives Volume is pretty amazing. Batman was much harder edged back then. At least before Robin showed up.
I am really not comfortable with the idea of youth sidekicks at all. Batman training an apprentice for a really long time is one thing. Do not permit the apprentice to act as a vigilante until the kid is 16 or 18. Put him through a thorough training program/education until then. You shouldnt be taking a kid along with you while you fight crime.
I understand that teen sidekicks were originally created for a variety of reasons. It gives the main character someone to explain things to, instead of all the monologues, so the reader knows what is going on. Sidekicks also give the reader someone to relate. IT makes a lot easier for kids to be pretned to be a boy who is helping a superhero if there really is a sidekick.
The entire idea of official sidekicks is problematic with the increase in realism. Books like Young Avengers handle the teen superhero thing a little more realistically I suppose. I really should try a few issues of that out. The Legion of Superheroes also makes sense. They are kids that dont have the approval of otherwise sane and respectable superheroes.
Batgirl makes much more sense to me as Batman's apprentice due to her situation. Dick could have easily been placed with foster parents. Ditto for Jason. Tim could have done something to help Batman withuot becoming Robin. Something similar to an info gather maybe. I dont know anything about Spoiler.
Suspension of disbelief can only go so far against hte current trend of making comics more real.
Also, I'm afraid of going in to comic shops because I fear the people there are all like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, even though I know they aren't.
http://www.dccomics.com/
Upper right hand corner, click on "Find comic shops"
Helped me find a couple in my area that I didn't know existed.
There's actually a store pretty close to me, but they don't have The Man Who Laughs in.
Edit: I called the one I knew about before (my boss goes there all the time, he gave me their business card). They don't have it in (just sold their last one today), but he took down my name and number and will call me if they get more in.
Would I "lose anything" if I read the Long Halloween or anything else before The Man Who Laughs?
Damn you Batman for grabbing ahold of me. I don't want to order any more off the internet, because it sucks to wait a week for something to come in, and then finish it in 2 hours or so. It just makes me want more.
Oh well, I'll be getting the Deluxe Edition. Circuit City and Best Buy are advertising it for $23, which is fine. I would've paid more than that from Amazon (who has it for $15) with 1-day shipping, because I'm an impatient bastard.
Nothing whatsoever. It's pretty much a stand-alone story that introduces the Joker so the only thing you're "losing" is a great Joker story. It won't really change anything if you read the long halloween before.
Alright, I think I'll do that.
How the hell did Batzarro come to be?
from wikipedia.
is that what you are saying dex?
That's why it says 'This may indicate that Batzarro was also created as part of Joker's World'. That's where Bizarro is from.
Me think Bizarro speak sucks!
1. Jason Todd is back from the dead for reals this time.
2. What I loved about Batman was he was an asshole that was grim and witty but still likeable. Now he's just a fucking dick who alienates everyone he knows.
3. The Clocktower is gone.
4. Praise the saints Stephanie Brown is dead, but they had to bring a villain back who had the perfect death scene to do the little brat in!
5. He is now an outlaw again due to being a huge fucking screw up.
6. Super pacifist/nice lady/surrogate mother Leslie Thompkins is now a murderer and disowned from the Bat-family.
7. The Joker isn't even a joke. He isn't funny. He is just a big fucking pussy who gets his ass handed to him by every new villain.
What did Batman do to the writers for them to hurt him so bad?
Joker seemed to hand Black Mask his ass pretty easy.
Celibate me!
Me am not the religion approved Batzarro!