I hope they fix the problem where most animals are livng without vital organs such as brains.
Like, I could see vital organs not dropping sometimes because you mangled or destroyed them while killing the creature, but some of them are just silly. Like orcs without blood, Murlocs without heads, humanoids that routinely possess fewer than two ears, etc.
This. I would much prefer a system where the creature always drops what you need but sometimes it's not usable. You need 17 Fel Boar Bladders but instead of not getting them sometimes you get ruptured, or sliced or punctured or imploded etc etc.
Yeah, because that's what I need: more useless shit cluttering my inventory.
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Realistically I can't shoot lightning out of my hands while standing or swimming in water. Or swim and hold my breath for five minutes. Or block blows from giant 5+ story tall robots and giants. Or swim in heavy armor. Or....
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Realistically I can't shoot lightning out of my hands while standing or swimming in water. Or swim and hold my breath for five minutes. Or block blows from giant 5+ story tall robots and giants. Or swim in heavy armor. Or....
You can't? You poor man. I should really get outside the super soldier program campus more. I am losing touch.
I hope they fix the problem where most animals are livng without vital organs such as brains.
Like, I could see vital organs not dropping sometimes because you mangled or destroyed them while killing the creature, but some of them are just silly. Like orcs without blood, Murlocs without heads, humanoids that routinely possess fewer than two ears, etc.
This. I would much prefer a system where the creature always drops what you need but sometimes it's not usable. You need 17 Fel Boar Bladders but instead of not getting them sometimes you get ruptured, or sliced or punctured or imploded etc etc.
Yeah, because that's what I need: more useless shit cluttering my inventory.
Didn't we go over this? You don't have to take the useless shit. You have a "choice" :P
I hate that part early in the game where you don't have enough bag space and have to figure out which junk is worth the least money so you can toss it.
I hate that part early in the game where you don't have enough bag space and have to figure out which junk is worth the least money so you can toss it.
Yeah, but nowadays the vendor value is built right into the UI, becomes much less of a guessing game.
Grey Items are a way for shit to drop money when it wouldn't make sense for them to drop money.
It's immersion
"Why did this boar drop a Jeweled Sword of the Wolf?"
"Immersion" and "when you kill shit, they drop fancy things" don't really go together all that well.
Yes, because one instance of "Gameplay > Immersion" means there can never be a single instance of "Immersion > Gameplay" anywhere in the game.
The whole thing is binary. You can only have one or the other.
Nope, but loot drops from shit you kill are a bad example of any kind of immersion.
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I've only responded to a gold begger once, and technically he was bag begging. I gave him 4 16-slot bags because he wasn't being a huge dick and he didn't seem to know anyone on the server. The bag situation early on is pretty sucky without established friends on the server.
Actually, the hearthstone *could* be moved to the spellbook, freeing up an inventory space. Everyone has one, so that'd be completely doable, and would remove the problems that come from losing yours. Make it a quest you have to do at level 5.
See, this here is a perfectly good idea. Freeing up needlessly wasted bag space by improving the game.
In fact, this idea is so good I wonder how come it isn't one of the big Cataclysm changes coming up. Someone go post it on the US official forums (mostly because I want to see how many people are completely opposed to the idea because "omg casuls ruin teh game").
Actually, the hearthstone *could* be moved to the spellbook, freeing up an inventory space. Everyone has one, so that'd be completely doable, and would remove the problems that come from losing yours. Make it a quest you have to do at level 5.
See, this here is a perfectly good idea. Freeing up needlessly wasted bag space by improving the game.
In fact, this idea is so good I wonder how come it isn't one of the big Cataclysm changes coming up. Someone go post it on the US official forums (mostly because I want to see how many people are completely opposed to the idea because "omg casuls ruin teh game").
Immersion, which is of dubious definition to begin with, is something that has to be balanced with the fact that you are playing a computer game over the internet. Changing game mechanics to cater to the tiny subset/demographic of players that, along with whatever their definition of immersion is, also enjoy having nails pounded through their dicks is just silly.
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Grey Items are a way for shit to drop money when it wouldn't make sense for them to drop money.
It's immersion
"Why did this boar drop a Jeweled Sword of the Wolf?"
"Immersion" and "when you kill shit, they drop fancy things" don't really go together all that well.
Yes, because one instance of "Gameplay > Immersion" means there can never be a single instance of "Immersion > Gameplay" anywhere in the game.
The whole thing is binary. You can only have one or the other.
Nope, but loot drops from shit you kill are a bad example of any kind of immersion.
No, not really.
Money dropping from a wolf makes no sense. So instead the wolf drops shit you trade in for money.
Same thing, except one makes the game more immersive.
Fair enough, but that immersion is ruined the moment the wolf drops an Emblazoned Buckler of Shadow's Wrath, so it might just as well be dropping money instead of inventory clogging crap.
edit: Or white items that are useful for some crafters somewhere out there. I'm not against wolves dropping claws as long as they are useful claws and not vendor trash claws.
Fair enough, but that immersion is ruined the moment the wolf drops an Emblazoned Buckler of Shadow's Wrath, so it might just as well be dropping money instead of inventory clogging crap.
edit: Or white items that are useful for some crafters somewhere out there. I'm not against wolves dropping claws as long as they are useful claws and not vendor trash claws.
Your argument seems to be that if the game isn't 100% immersive/"realistic," then they shouldn't even try. I.e, if animals are going to drop magical items, why bother pretending they don't carry money.
Out of curiosity, if you saw somebody order a big mac and then order a diet coke, would you give them shit about it? You don't seem really big on picking your battles/grey areas.
Fair enough, but that immersion is ruined the moment the wolf drops an Emblazoned Buckler of Shadow's Wrath, so it might just as well be dropping money instead of inventory clogging crap.
edit: Or white items that are useful for some crafters somewhere out there. I'm not against wolves dropping claws as long as they are useful claws and not vendor trash claws.
Your argument seems to be that if the game isn't 100% immersive/"realistic," then they shouldn't even try. I.e, if animals are going to drop magical items, why bother pretending they don't carry money.
That's nowhere near my argument. My argument is "don't waste my time with useless crap when you can streamline it". I'm very much in the "less clicks is better" crowd when it comes to game design.
Out of curiosity, if you saw somebody order a big mac and then order a diet coke, would you give them shit about it? You don't seem really big on picking your battles/grey areas.
Nope. Sugar is really, really bad for you. Sure, a Big Mac isn't exactly a healthy meal either, but if you're gonna eat a Big Mac, it just makes sense to reduce the unhealthiness of it all with a sugarless drink.
Nope. Sugar is really, really bad for you. Sure, a Big Mac isn't exactly a healthy meal either, but if you're gonna eat a Big Mac, it just makes sense to reduce the unhealthiness of it all with a sugarless drink.
But see this is my point. You seem to be saying they already ruined the immersion by having magic items drop off animals, why bother with the pretense of immersion with animal parts. My point is you can do things halfway.
The other day I hunting in the Barrens. I killed a fucking giraffe by throwing lightning from my fists and beating it with a staff. It almost killed me, but then I was able to summon my water magic to cast a healing wave on my battered body. I could still feel the adrenaline flowing through my veins as I inspected the corpse, hoping to find a good bit of meat, some skins, and perhaps a few useful organs.
As I lingered over the corpse, I pulled a magic sword off his body. And all of a sudden, the immersion was totally broken. I was alone, sweating, in my dingy apartment, sipping a warm Mountain Dew, wondering if I should keep leveling, or go whack off to some porn.
Stupid fucking break in immersion!
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The other day I hunting in the Barrens. I killed a fucking giraffe by throwing lightning from my fists and beating it with a staff. It almost killed me, but then I was able to summon my water magic to cast a healing wave on my battered body. I could still feel the adrenaline flowing through my veins as I inspected the corpse, hoping to find a good bit of meat, some skins, and perhaps a few useful organs.
As I lingered over the corpse, I pulled a magic sword off his body. And all of a sudden, the immersion was totally broken. I was alone, sweating, in my dingy apartment, sipping a warm Mountain Dew, wondering if I should keep leveling, or go whack off to some porn.
Stupid fucking break in immersion!
You really should stay away from the inn in Goldshire.....
They shouldn't be eating the big mac and supersized fries then either.
Salt, cholesterol, fat -- those are bad for a person with diabetes just as much as the minuscule amount of sugar in sodas are.
Their doctor would probably rather them drink normal soda than eat that monstrosity.
Now I'm no health nut, but I think your pushing your luck with that statement. Mostly its just plain wrong.
Salt is not bad for someone with diabetes or most people, its bad for someone with a pre-existing heart condition (READ: Salt does not give you heart disease.)
Cholestrol does not interact with diabetes in any appreciable way, its simply bad for you based on your body's ability to process it.
Fat are not good for Diabetics but not in the same way sugars are. Fat isn't going to turn your blood into acid.
Carbs & Sugars, things that non-diet Soda has in extreme excess, will be directly detrimental to a diabetic and generally unhelpful to regular people too.
Telling a diabetic that a Soda is a better choice than a big mac is like suggesting a Gun in lieu of a knife for self-destruction.
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The other day I hunting in the Barrens. I killed a fucking giraffe by throwing lightning from my fists and beating it with a staff. It almost killed me, but then I was able to summon my water magic to cast a healing wave on my battered body. I could still feel the adrenaline flowing through my veins as I inspected the corpse, hoping to find a good bit of meat, some skins, and perhaps a few useful organs.
As I lingered over the corpse, I pulled a magic sword off his body. And all of a sudden, the immersion was totally broken. I was alone, sweating, in my dingy apartment, sipping a warm Mountain Dew, wondering if I should keep leveling, or go whack off to some porn.
Stupid fucking break in immersion!
I guess it might ultimately be my fault because I never "lose myself into" a game like that. The whole concept seems alien to me.
I mean when is it a good idea for anyone to eat a Big Mac?
Meh, they won't kill you.
The hypothetical situation is usually some extremely obese person getting a super-sized meal, but holding the good stuff like tomatoes and lettuce, and doubling the bacon and cheese. They also get a diet coke to top it all off.
Saying the person has diabetes as if the 25 or so grams of sugar are the worst part of that whole equation.
The bread probably has more sugar than the soda, and they'll likely have to shoot up insulin anyways as a result.
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The other day I hunting in the Barrens. I killed a fucking giraffe by throwing lightning from my fists and beating it with a staff. It almost killed me, but then I was able to summon my water magic to cast a healing wave on my battered body. I could still feel the adrenaline flowing through my veins as I inspected the corpse, hoping to find a good bit of meat, some skins, and perhaps a few useful organs.
As I lingered over the corpse, I pulled a magic sword off his body. And all of a sudden, the immersion was totally broken. I was alone, sweating, in my dingy apartment, sipping a warm Mountain Dew, wondering if I should keep leveling, or go whack off to some porn.
Stupid fucking break in immersion!
I guess it might ultimately be my fault because I never "lose myself into" a game like that. The whole concept seems alien to me.
how anyone gets immersed in wow I just don't understand. I love the game, but I mean it is a very mechanical game that is constantly doing things that take you out of itself.
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Yeah, because that's what I need: more useless shit cluttering my inventory.
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You can't? You poor man. I should really get outside the super soldier program campus more. I am losing touch.
Didn't we go over this? You don't have to take the useless shit. You have a "choice" :P
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Yeah, but nowadays the vendor value is built right into the UI, becomes much less of a guessing game.
Yes, because one instance of "Gameplay > Immersion" means there can never be a single instance of "Immersion > Gameplay" anywhere in the game.
The whole thing is binary. You can only have one or the other.
Nope, but loot drops from shit you kill are a bad example of any kind of immersion.
Done.
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Posted a useful suggestion on the official forums. That's all.
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No, not really.
Money dropping from a wolf makes no sense. So instead the wolf drops shit you trade in for money.
Same thing, except one makes the game more immersive.
Fair enough, but that immersion is ruined the moment the wolf drops an Emblazoned Buckler of Shadow's Wrath, so it might just as well be dropping money instead of inventory clogging crap.
edit: Or white items that are useful for some crafters somewhere out there. I'm not against wolves dropping claws as long as they are useful claws and not vendor trash claws.
Your argument seems to be that if the game isn't 100% immersive/"realistic," then they shouldn't even try. I.e, if animals are going to drop magical items, why bother pretending they don't carry money.
Out of curiosity, if you saw somebody order a big mac and then order a diet coke, would you give them shit about it? You don't seem really big on picking your battles/grey areas.
See that's a silly argument because you are assuming they are ordering the diet coke to be "healthier" Maybe the person is just diabetic. :P
That's nowhere near my argument. My argument is "don't waste my time with useless crap when you can streamline it". I'm very much in the "less clicks is better" crowd when it comes to game design.
Nope. Sugar is really, really bad for you. Sure, a Big Mac isn't exactly a healthy meal either, but if you're gonna eat a Big Mac, it just makes sense to reduce the unhealthiness of it all with a sugarless drink.
Well yes, the implication in the analogy is that they were ordering it because it was healthier.
But see this is my point. You seem to be saying they already ruined the immersion by having magic items drop off animals, why bother with the pretense of immersion with animal parts. My point is you can do things halfway.
Salt, cholesterol, fat -- those are bad for a person with diabetes just as much as the minuscule amount of sugar in sodas are.
Their doctor would probably rather them drink normal soda than eat that monstrosity.
I know. I was just messing you. It was a reasonable analogy.
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When you want something delicious?
As I lingered over the corpse, I pulled a magic sword off his body. And all of a sudden, the immersion was totally broken. I was alone, sweating, in my dingy apartment, sipping a warm Mountain Dew, wondering if I should keep leveling, or go whack off to some porn.
Stupid fucking break in immersion!
You really should stay away from the inn in Goldshire.....
It would seem our definitions of delicious are different.
Now I'm no health nut, but I think your pushing your luck with that statement. Mostly its just plain wrong.
Salt is not bad for someone with diabetes or most people, its bad for someone with a pre-existing heart condition (READ: Salt does not give you heart disease.)
Cholestrol does not interact with diabetes in any appreciable way, its simply bad for you based on your body's ability to process it.
Fat are not good for Diabetics but not in the same way sugars are. Fat isn't going to turn your blood into acid.
Carbs & Sugars, things that non-diet Soda has in extreme excess, will be directly detrimental to a diabetic and generally unhelpful to regular people too.
Telling a diabetic that a Soda is a better choice than a big mac is like suggesting a Gun in lieu of a knife for self-destruction.
I guess it might ultimately be my fault because I never "lose myself into" a game like that. The whole concept seems alien to me.
Meh, they won't kill you.
The hypothetical situation is usually some extremely obese person getting a super-sized meal, but holding the good stuff like tomatoes and lettuce, and doubling the bacon and cheese. They also get a diet coke to top it all off.
Saying the person has diabetes as if the 25 or so grams of sugar are the worst part of that whole equation.
The bread probably has more sugar than the soda, and they'll likely have to shoot up insulin anyways as a result.
Taco Bell is my guilty pleasure.
Same, though the siren call of the Baconator does win out sometimes.
how anyone gets immersed in wow I just don't understand. I love the game, but I mean it is a very mechanical game that is constantly doing things that take you out of itself.