A derailed line of discussion was started in the Apple to Developers thread.
The discussion begain with this article
Tl;dr: A dude was banned from buying iPads forever because he was buying way too many and was reselling them on Ebay.
Apparently, many people in the Apple thread cried foul, saying you should be able to purchase as many iPads as you want and blacklisting undesirable customers forever from buying things you make is an evil practice that should be made illegal through government interaction: See this quote tree.
Corporate Soup Nazi tactics don't sit well with me. I don't think corporations should even be legally entitled to blacklist certain customers, at least not for something as silly as this.
Corporations are not governments.
You should not be forced to conduct business with anyone if you don't want to, for any reason. The reason could be because of something complex such as "We don't want to sell to you because you take our product and resell it in an unauthorized store." or even as simple and asinine as "We don't want to sell to you because you're black."
This is just how business works. You do not
have a right to buy any (legal) product you can afford.
Seriously? You... really think this is how it should be?
I don't give my opinion, this is just how it is.
The real world is full of waitlists, blacklists, and whitelists.
but the story doesn't end right there.
When a company refuses a sale to a consumer, that consumer has a right to inform others about this, and to try to pressure that company in to making the sale threw other means.
There is no point where one side gets to say "and now the whole thing is over, I win". It is a constant struggle. A company is free to refuse a sale, and a consumer is free to attempt to pressure them back in to it.
The guy who wrote that article said it himself that he's not angry or even annoyed.
So yeah. You guys are definitely making too big a deal about this.
The fact that Apple has a lifetime ban policy that they refuse to inform customers about is a serious thing. So what if the guy doesn't care?
I don't see what's so serious about it. Like I said, many companies have blacklist policies for people who try to circumvent terms of service and similar rules. And they don't go around advertising those blacklist policies either.
They had no proof of him reselling, so there was nothing at all wrong that he was doing, as per their posted rules.
I know that people tend to treat suppliers as though they are in charge of all transactions, but that is not true. It is a transaction involving equal partners. What Apple is doing by refusing to inform consumers of their policy is showing a GREAT disrespect, and as a consumer, I take issue with that.
Go walk in to a store, start a transaction, and then walk out at the last minute, right before you were supposed to pay, not giving any reason. Technically, that is within your right, but can you imagine how those actions on your part would be taken? Why is it any different the other way around?
If you have a problem with it, you can just decide not to buy anything from them anymore. Stop buying stuff from people who don't respect you. It's that simple.
You must be really pissed off that the consumerist webpage exists, aren't you.
I mean, why don't all of those people just not buy things, instead of informing each other.
But before this, there was been general discontent brewing toward Apple.
Apparently, many people in that thread also want the FCC to investigate Apple because they believe the Appstore is creating a monopoly on iPhone and iPad apps. With the banning of third party iPhone app compilers developers are now being FORCED to learn how to make iPhoneOS apps the traditional way in order to sell anything on the privately owned Apple app store. It is now much more difficult for developers to make apps that can run on many platforms, because they now have to make their software specifically for other platforms from the ground up!
As a result, Adobe has terminated any possibility of ever bringing Flash to the iPhone or iPad.
Adobe will no longer pursue its plans to bring Flash to Apple’s iPhone and the iPad.
Adobe on Tuesday evening said it is ceasing investment in a software tool that enables Flash developers to port software into native iPhone and iPad apps, according to Mike Chambers, Adobe’s principal product manager for Flash developer relations.
“The primary goal of Flash has always been to enable cross-browser, platform and device development,” Chambers wrote in a blog post. “This is the exact opposite of what Apple wants. They want to tie developers down to their platform, and restrict their options to make it difficult for developers to target other platforms.”
Adobe is reacting to a new rule in the iPhone developer agreement, which stipulates that iPhone and iPad apps must be coded with Apple-approved programming languages, such as C++ or Objective C. If enforced, the rule would effectively ban any apps coded with Adobe’s Packager for iPhone, a tool enabling Flash-coded software to be easily converted into native iPhone apps, released last week with Adobe CS5.
Faced with Apple’s new rule, Adobe pulled the plug on Packager for iPhone. That ends, for now, any hope that Flash apps (or apps that incorporate Flash) will ever be able to run on the iPad or iPhone.
Apple’s new app policy has been met with furious debate. Critics say Apple is depriving consumers of choice, because Flash apps that could have been on the iPhone will never see the light of day. Supporters of Apple’s decision, including Steve Jobs, say the move was necessary to retain quality of apps in the App Store and nimbleness of updating the platform.
Apple has been steadfast with its lack of support for Flash on the iPhone OS. Some customers have complained that without Flash, iPhone and iPad users are missing out on a big chunk of the internet. Jobs said during a staff meeting that Flash was not supported because it is “buggy” and frequently causes crashes on the Mac OS, according to a secondhand account first reported by Wired.com.
Apple said Adobe was incorrect to accuse Apple of locking in developers by not supporting Flash.
However, as simple as it may sound for web developers to switch to different standards, Wired.com’s Webmonkey editor Mike Calore said the transition to HTML5 for video playback would be complex. He explained that there’s no agreed upon video format for HTML5, and support varies greatly from browser to browser.
“Not to be overly critical of Apple — anyone pushing for open web standards deserves kudos — but the company seems more deeply concerned with digging Flash’s grave than it does with promoting semantic markup,” Calore wrote.
Is Apple evil? Or chaotic neutral?