Especially because when I say "I want to play an RPG" I mean "I want to play a game where the substance and plot of the game is primarily built of imagination and interaction instead of being prepackaged for me, and I want to make an original character with a unique backstory and interact with other players while roleplaying as this character."
The actual mechanics of how we beat shit up doesn't really matter to me.
I'm not going to lie to you, 4E appears to have less of this than previous editions.
O_o
I just don't really get how this would be a symptom of the game itself and not of the DM running it.
I mean, to me the actual game would just be a framework used to express the collective storytelling of the roleplaying.
Can you clarify a bit on how 4E dropped the RP from RPG?
It's a tactical miniatures game, with some very loosely tacked-on RPing rules.
Yes, Than, I'm aware your opinion on 4E is so extreme as to sound like straight hyperbole. While this may be true, just saying it isn't going to convince me.
I'm asking someone who believes roughly the same thing as you but less extremely to explain exactly what it is that makes 4e so much worse for actual roleplaying than previous editions.
Seems like there's still a gigantic divide between him and his fiancee. The type of divide that tends to exist between couples that aren't completely committed.
Share responsibilities. Don't worry about money.
Prenup? I dunno. I didn't get one because we're both lower middle class wankers.
You're going to have to explain how, exactly, what I said was inaccurate, or out of context.
Man that game was only worth owning once tav, even for someone whos irish.
Multiplayer was fucking tits until a few months later and there was still no balancing.
The Cops vs Robbers game type got pretty fucking boring when the Cops would spawn across town and the Robbers would spawn a lazy stroll away from the get away boat.
My, at least I managed to pull off about 45 minutes on the bike. I'm really out of shape.
i started back on my bike on the 20th. my quads have just now recovered.
45 minutes is pretty good though! flat or hilly?
I'm trying to walk more (at least an extended walk, 5 to 8 km, once a week) and ride the stationary (at least three times a week). It's hard to get started. Again.
get some wheels on that thing!
its much easier to get on a bike when it can take you somewhere!
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Writing slashfic of MTV's Daria
Arguing over editions of D&D
Realizing your dream of singing the Free Software Song with Stallman
Listening to each and every Futurama commentary track on your various DVD sets
Writing slashfic of MTV's Daria
Arguing over editions of D&D
Liebot what is the saddest thing?
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Seems like there's still a gigantic divide between him and his fiancee. The type of divide that tends to exist between couples that aren't completely committed.
Share responsibilities. Don't worry about money.
Prenup? I dunno. I didn't get one because we're both lower middle class wankers.
You're going to have to explain how, exactly, what I said was inaccurate, or out of context.
Well, for one thing, no where in my post is the text "just don't talk about it, and sweep it under the rug", or "if you're worried about it, you're not ready for marriage". Nor did I say that "in a marriage you shouldn't worry about money" or any derivative of that.
My concern was his strange preoccupation with money and the degree of separation he is keeping between himself and his fiancee, and his preoccupation with how much money she makes compared to himself, which is coming off like petty classism.
Sure, I could have thrown a couple of qualifiers in there to be more specific.
Especially because when I say "I want to play an RPG" I mean "I want to play a game where the substance and plot of the game is primarily built of imagination and interaction instead of being prepackaged for me, and I want to make an original character with a unique backstory and interact with other players while roleplaying as this character."
The actual mechanics of how we beat shit up doesn't really matter to me.
I'm not going to lie to you, 4E appears to have less of this than previous editions.
O_o
I just don't really get how this would be a symptom of the game itself and not of the DM running it.
I mean, to me the actual game would just be a framework used to express the collective storytelling of the roleplaying.
Can you clarify a bit on how 4E dropped the RP from RPG?
I wouldn't go that far. It hasn't dropped the RP, it just heavily emphasises the G. My impression is that 4E is very codified. In combat, rather than freely coming up with ideas which are adjudicated by the DM, you pick your actions from a list. Non-combat situations are seperated into discrete "skill challenges" revolving around succeeding at successive dice rolls.
I'm by no means saying that you can't RP in 4th edition, that's crazy. But technically you can roleplay with almost any game. The rules of 4th edition are put together more like those of a tactical wargame.
It's not really something I've put a lot of thought into, I only read the rules quite recently. I'd have trouble making myself any more clear without resorting to comparisons with my old games.
Seems like there's still a gigantic divide between him and his fiancee. The type of divide that tends to exist between couples that aren't completely committed.
Share responsibilities. Don't worry about money.
Prenup? I dunno. I didn't get one because we're both lower middle class wankers.
You're going to have to explain how, exactly, what I said was inaccurate, or out of context.
Well, for one thing, no where in my post is the text "just don't talk about it, and sweep it under the rug", or "if you're worried about it, you're not ready for marriage". Nor did I say that "in a marriage you shouldn't worry about money" or any derivative of that.
My concern was his strange preoccupation with money and the degree of separation he is keeping between himself and his fiancee, and his preoccupation with how much money she makes compared to himself, which is coming off like petty classism. I don't think that's a health mindset when going into a marriage.
Sure, I could have thrown a couple of qualifiers in there to be more specific.
I wouldn't go that far. It hasn't dropped the RP, it just heavily emphasises the G. My impression is that 4E is very codified. In combat, rather than freely coming up with ideas which are adjudicated by the DM, you pick your actions from a list. Non-combat situations are seperated into discrete "skill challenges" revolving around succeeding at successive dice rolls.
I'm by no means saying that you can't RP in 4th edition, that's crazy. But technically you can roleplay with almost any game. The rules of 4th edition are put together more like those of a tactical wargame.
It's not really something I've put a lot of thought into, I only read the rules quite recently. I'd have trouble making myself any more clear without resorting to comparisons with my old games.
Bike locks aren't that secure. There isn't anything on the market that'll stand up to bolt croppers (up to and including motorbike chains weighing multiple kilos). Using a four foot long tool on a bike lock does tend to get you noticed, though.
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Someone in my hometown did this with their McCain Palin sign last election because people kept stealing it. They got some kind of huge fine for exposed electrical device less than 4 feet from the sidewalk. They lived across from the local elementary school too, so it was extra mega dumb.
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Well, for one thing, no where in my post is the text "just don't talk about it, and sweep it under the rug", or "if you're worried about it, you're not ready for marriage". Nor did I say that "in a marriage you shouldn't worry about money" or any derivative of that.
Seems like there's still a gigantic divide between him and his fiancee. The type of divide that tends to exist between couples that aren't completely committed.
Share responsibilities. Don't worry about money.
Prenup? I dunno. I didn't get one because we're both lower middle class wankers.
My concern was his strange preoccupation with money and the degree of separation he is keeping between himself and his fiancee, and his preoccupation with how much money she makes compared to himself, which is coming off like petty classism.
Sure, I could have thrown a couple of qualifiers in there to be more specific.
Did you bother actually reading the OP? Or did you just decide to generalize a shitload based on some of the things that other people were saying?
I guess you're right, in order to show that he wasn't "pre-occupied with money" his OP should have consisted of "my parents are worried that my fiancee may be taking advantage of me; are they right?" with absolutely no other information. Because that would be certain to get him some useful advice.
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Man that game was only worth owning once tav, even for someone whos irish.
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Do it, you know I can take it.
Yes, Than, I'm aware your opinion on 4E is so extreme as to sound like straight hyperbole. While this may be true, just saying it isn't going to convince me.
I'm asking someone who believes roughly the same thing as you but less extremely to explain exactly what it is that makes 4e so much worse for actual roleplaying than previous editions.
You're going to have to explain how, exactly, what I said was inaccurate, or out of context.
Multiplayer was fucking tits until a few months later and there was still no balancing.
The Cops vs Robbers game type got pretty fucking boring when the Cops would spawn across town and the Robbers would spawn a lazy stroll away from the get away boat.
Wah? Just an act of random vandalism or what? On your Birthday???
Just remember don't hit the showers afterwards...
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Like 2 weeks ago someone stole the front wheel
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
get some wheels on that thing!
its much easier to get on a bike when it can take you somewhere!
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Get a new wheel.
Just don't go to the kind of bike shop that will try to sell you something made of carbon fibre.
this belongs in your podcast dammit!
get to makin it!
you could probably get one back on using the opposite of their technique
Half time's already over.
Liebot what is the saddest thing?
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daria slashfic you say...
well it would give me an answer to my original question of "what kind of dicksmack steals the wheel to a bike thats not worth anything already?"
Knew it! :P
And who just steals the front wheel?
Only thing to do now:
Well, for one thing, no where in my post is the text "just don't talk about it, and sweep it under the rug", or "if you're worried about it, you're not ready for marriage". Nor did I say that "in a marriage you shouldn't worry about money" or any derivative of that.
My concern was his strange preoccupation with money and the degree of separation he is keeping between himself and his fiancee, and his preoccupation with how much money she makes compared to himself, which is coming off like petty classism.
Sure, I could have thrown a couple of qualifiers in there to be more specific.
I wouldn't go that far. It hasn't dropped the RP, it just heavily emphasises the G. My impression is that 4E is very codified. In combat, rather than freely coming up with ideas which are adjudicated by the DM, you pick your actions from a list. Non-combat situations are seperated into discrete "skill challenges" revolving around succeeding at successive dice rolls.
I'm by no means saying that you can't RP in 4th edition, that's crazy. But technically you can roleplay with almost any game. The rules of 4th edition are put together more like those of a tactical wargame.
It's not really something I've put a lot of thought into, I only read the rules quite recently. I'd have trouble making myself any more clear without resorting to comparisons with my old games.
Someone who intends to immobilise it so they can come back when it's dark and steal the rest of it.
Cutting chains is also popular.
it was bolted up but the front wheel wasn't
so I guess spite?
Instead I will clean the kitchen. Maybe splash some water around from the sink.
Shit that reminds me I need to find a longer security chain since both wheels pop off.
Well, for one thing, no where in my post is the text "just don't talk about it, and sweep it under the rug", or "if you're worried about it, you're not ready for marriage". Nor did I say that "in a marriage you shouldn't worry about money" or any derivative of that.
My concern was his strange preoccupation with money and the degree of separation he is keeping between himself and his fiancee, and his preoccupation with how much money she makes compared to himself, which is coming off like petty classism. I don't think that's a health mindset when going into a marriage.
Sure, I could have thrown a couple of qualifiers in there to be more specific.
I see, thank you.
Seriously.
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Bike locks aren't that secure. There isn't anything on the market that'll stand up to bolt croppers (up to and including motorbike chains weighing multiple kilos). Using a four foot long tool on a bike lock does tend to get you noticed, though.
Someone in my hometown did this with their McCain Palin sign last election because people kept stealing it. They got some kind of huge fine for exposed electrical device less than 4 feet from the sidewalk. They lived across from the local elementary school too, so it was extra mega dumb.
Did you bother actually reading the OP? Or did you just decide to generalize a shitload based on some of the things that other people were saying?
I guess you're right, in order to show that he wasn't "pre-occupied with money" his OP should have consisted of "my parents are worried that my fiancee may be taking advantage of me; are they right?" with absolutely no other information. Because that would be certain to get him some useful advice.
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