Oh god, I just had long facebook debate with a stupid conservative friend of mine and one of his buddies. Thanks to my years of bare-knuckle arguing here on PA, I made them give up. Thanks, PA Forums!
Seriously, though, the idiots were doing the whole "Obama's Katrina" bullshit and were just so upset that anyone had the temerity to disagree. I really question why I continue to be friends with that guy.
Let's look at it this way. Obama sent more cabinet members than Bush sent for all of FEMA
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Oh god, I just had long facebook debate with a stupid conservative friend of mine and one of his buddies. Thanks to my years of bare-knuckle arguing here on PA, I made them give up. Thanks, PA Forums!
Seriously, though, the idiots were doing the whole "Obama's Katrina" bullshit and were just so upset that anyone had the temerity to disagree. I really question why I continue to be friends with that guy.
Let's look at it this way. Obama sent more cabinet members than Bush sent for all of FEMA
There is seriously no parallel there. It's a ridiculous stretch and one of the more disgusting examples of tit-for-tat politics I've seen recently.
Oh god, I just had long facebook debate with a stupid conservative friend of mine and one of his buddies. Thanks to my years of bare-knuckle arguing here on PA, I made them give up. Thanks, PA Forums!
Seriously, though, the idiots were doing the whole "Obama's Katrina" bullshit and were just so upset that anyone had the temerity to disagree. I really question why I continue to be friends with that guy.
Let's look at it this way. Obama sent more cabinet members than Bush sent for all of FEMA
There is seriously no parallel there. It's a ridiculous stretch and one of the more disgusting examples of tit-for-tat politics I've seen recently.
Also, weren't the Coast Guard on the scene in a day or so? And aren't the Coast Guard part of the federal government?
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Of course, Wheeler never does that. He always do something stupid like melting the car tires so they wont get away, instead of just roasting everybody in the car.
Considering that one of the people I was arguing with about this issue basically said "the people in power [ie the media] aren't going to tell you the truth", I rather doubt that this would be taken as credible. This same person claimed to be an expert on what was going on because he's a remote submersible operator...that's not even working on this fucking situation.
Article in the Houston Chronicle today outlining a new tactical idea for sealing the well.
The runaway well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico might be sealed within as little as two weeks using a new, untested approach that has emerged in the last two days, BP CEO Tony Hayward told the Houston Chronicle today.
The method, which he called “top kill,” involves reconfiguring existing wellhead equipment to provide a conduit for pumping heavy fluids into the well. That would stop the flow and allow for a permanent seal, Hayward said during a visit to the BP operations center in west Houston that is headquarters for the spill response.
In an odd twist, the possible fix would use the blowout preventer that may have failed April 20 when a sudden burst of high-pressure hydrocarbons apparently blew out from the well and up to the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig, triggering a fire and explosion that killed 11 workers. The method has been used before to seal wells after blowouts on land, but has not been tried at the depths of the Macondo well on which the Deepwater Horizon was working.
The wellhead is under 5,000 feet of water and taps a reservoir 18,000 feet below the seabed.
In addition to laying out the possibility of a new tactic for sealing the well, Hayward clarified another BP executive's statement Tuesday that the well could pour as much as 60,000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf, 12 times the current official estimate of 5,000 barrels, or about 210,000 gallons.
The higher figure, Hayward said, represented an “absolute worst case scenario,” if the well were flowing totally unobstructed. Oil now is leaking from a pipe called a riser that had connected the well with the rig above. The riser, lying crimped on the ocean floor, is helping impede the speed of the flow, as is the damaged blowout preventer sitting atop the well head, which appears to be partially closed, he said.
Hayward acknowledged that no one knows the exact flow rate now.
“A guesstimate is a guesstimate. And the guesstimate remains 5,000 barrels a day,” Hayward said.
BP said earlier today it had sealed off one of three leaks in well equipment feeding the massive oil slick on the surface. But officials said the move was not expected to reduce the volume of oil coming from the well.
Hayward said the while the “top kill” option “has come to the fore” in the last 48 hours, engineers are continuing with plans to put a giant containment box over the leaks to gather the oil and send it to surface vessels. The short-term solution, which is being carried by ship today to the well site, should be operational by the weekend, he said. But he cautioned that because such an option has never been tried at these water depths, there could be some trial and error involved early on. “This will not work perfectly at all when we first do it,” Hayward said.
Meanwhile, the company also continues moving forward on a last-resort method of permanently sealing the well. A rig has begun drilling a new well to intercept the existing one and plug it.
Article in the Houston Chronicle today outlining a new tactical idea for sealing the well.
The runaway well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico might be sealed within as little as two weeks using a new, untested approach that has emerged in the last two days, BP CEO Tony Hayward told the Houston Chronicle today.
The method, which he called “top kill,” involves reconfiguring existing wellhead equipment to provide a conduit for pumping heavy fluids into the well. That would stop the flow and allow for a permanent seal, Hayward said during a visit to the BP operations center in west Houston that is headquarters for the spill response.
In an odd twist, the possible fix would use the blowout preventer that may have failed April 20 when a sudden burst of high-pressure hydrocarbons apparently blew out from the well and up to the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig, triggering a fire and explosion that killed 11 workers. The method has been used before to seal wells after blowouts on land, but has not been tried at the depths of the Macondo well on which the Deepwater Horizon was working.
The wellhead is under 5,000 feet of water and taps a reservoir 18,000 feet below the seabed.
In addition to laying out the possibility of a new tactic for sealing the well, Hayward clarified another BP executive's statement Tuesday that the well could pour as much as 60,000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf, 12 times the current official estimate of 5,000 barrels, or about 210,000 gallons.
The higher figure, Hayward said, represented an “absolute worst case scenario,” if the well were flowing totally unobstructed. Oil now is leaking from a pipe called a riser that had connected the well with the rig above. The riser, lying crimped on the ocean floor, is helping impede the speed of the flow, as is the damaged blowout preventer sitting atop the well head, which appears to be partially closed, he said.
Hayward acknowledged that no one knows the exact flow rate now.
“A guesstimate is a guesstimate. And the guesstimate remains 5,000 barrels a day,” Hayward said.
BP said earlier today it had sealed off one of three leaks in well equipment feeding the massive oil slick on the surface. But officials said the move was not expected to reduce the volume of oil coming from the well.
Hayward said the while the “top kill” option “has come to the fore” in the last 48 hours, engineers are continuing with plans to put a giant containment box over the leaks to gather the oil and send it to surface vessels. The short-term solution, which is being carried by ship today to the well site, should be operational by the weekend, he said. But he cautioned that because such an option has never been tried at these water depths, there could be some trial and error involved early on. “This will not work perfectly at all when we first do it,” Hayward said.
Meanwhile, the company also continues moving forward on a last-resort method of permanently sealing the well. A rig has begun drilling a new well to intercept the existing one and plug it.
Oh god, I just had long facebook debate with a stupid conservative friend of mine and one of his buddies. Thanks to my years of bare-knuckle arguing here on PA, I made them give up. Thanks, PA Forums!
Seriously, though, the idiots were doing the whole "Obama's Katrina" bullshit and were just so upset that anyone had the temerity to disagree. I really question why I continue to be friends with that guy.
Let's look at it this way. Obama sent more cabinet members than Bush sent for all of FEMA
There is seriously no parallel there. It's a ridiculous stretch and one of the more disgusting examples of tit-for-tat politics I've seen recently.
Also, weren't the Coast Guard on the scene in a day or so? And aren't the Coast Guard part of the federal government?
Yeah but you can say the same about Katrina. We're fast and agile and no one really knows what we're up to. In Katrina we just started getting shit done without someone higher up telling us to.
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So, question about the "dome." If I'm understanding things correctly, we drop this dome on top of the leak, and they we're going to pump out the oil as it collects in the dome. What are we doing with the oil? Putting it in the strategic reserves? Selling it on the market to help pay for cleanup?
How bad is it exactly? Is it getting better, or worse?
Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
Huh, if you remove the word "foreign" from that it's the most sane thing she's ever said.
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But the single word is exactly what makes it as batshit as normal. (If you take the implication that all domestic oil companies are 100% on the up and up)
How bad is it exactly? Is it getting better, or worse?
Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
That's a big twinkie.
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Wouldn't the weight of the water pressing down on it be stronger than anything we could pump in?
If I'm understanding the dome idea correctly, no need for a pump. The oil is at 12,000 PSI, the water is only at like 2300. The trick is to make sure the dome will have enough weight/downward pressure to contain the oil and force it up the pipe, and also keep the oil from leaking out the bottom. The dome+the pipe should then fill with oil, which can be dumped into a tanker or something.
Wouldn't the weight of the water pressing down on it be stronger than anything we could pump in?
If I'm understanding the dome idea correctly, no need for a pump. The oil is at 12,000 PSI, the water is only at like 2300. The trick is to make sure the dome will have enough weight/downward pressure to contain the oil and force it up the pipe, and also keep the oil from leaking out the bottom. The dome+the pipe should then fill with oil, which can be dumped into a tanker or something.
But the single word is exactly what makes it as batshit as normal. (If you take the implication that all domestic oil companies are 100% on the up and up)
Exxon spilled a jillion gallons of oil in Alaska.
Exxon is originally from Ohio, ia direct descendant of Standard Oil. It's currently headquartered in Texas.
Therefore, the lesson of Alaska is to not trust foreign oil companies?
What am I missing here?
Did the Alaskan Indpendence Party actually succeed and secede without anyone knowing about it?
How bad is it exactly? Is it getting better, or worse?
Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
That's a big twinkie.
I read somewhere that a twinkie that size would actually weigh something like 3-4 tons.
Wouldn't the weight of the water pressing down on it be stronger than anything we could pump in?
If I'm understanding the dome idea correctly, no need for a pump. The oil is at 12,000 PSI, the water is only at like 2300. The trick is to make sure the dome will have enough weight/downward pressure to contain the oil and force it up the pipe, and also keep the oil from leaking out the bottom. The dome+the pipe should then fill with oil, which can be dumped into a tanker or something.
has a much better explanation than what i just wrote.
Talking about the notion of pumping stuff in to stop the leak.
Cement is denser than water so it will sink. IDK how they manage to actually get the cement to stay/set in the well, and not just get blasted right out, but they seal exploratory wells all the time, so I'm sure theres some procedure for it.
edit: Its actually pretty obvious how they seal the well, as a 22,000 ft tall tower of concrete easily has 12,000 PSI of force behind it.
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How bad is it exactly? Is it getting better, or worse?
Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
That's a big twinkie.
I read somewhere that a twinkie that size would actually weigh something like 3-4 tons.
I thought that myself, but after watching the clip I put it back.
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I haven't been following this. Have they blocked the leak yet?
They managed to seal 1 minor leak from the rig(1 other leak+ the well itself remaining). The first of the domes is being shipped there right now and figure to have it deployed by the end of the weekend, but they aren't even sure it will work. They have started drilling the relief well, but that will take a couple months, even if they hit it the first time.
The one with Sydney in the wrong place is even more baffling to me. Not really because of Sydney, either, but because of the bizarre assortment of locations deemed worthy of HUGE CAPTIONS. Easter Island? Chile? What on earth was this originally about, anyway?
So, question about the "dome." If I'm understanding things correctly, we drop this dome on top of the leak, and they we're going to pump out the oil as it collects in the dome. What are we doing with the oil? Putting it in the strategic reserves? Selling it on the market to help pay for cleanup?
Probably not? That oil will have been contaminated by sea water and god knows what else, because it won't be a perfect seal. I imagine it'll be like regular oil spill oil which is largely unrecoverable, but maybe it'll be a lower level of contamination?
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But the single word is exactly what makes it as batshit as normal. (If you take the implication that all domestic oil companies are 100% on the up and up)
Exxon spilled a jillion gallons of oil in Alaska.
Exxon is originally from Ohio, ia direct descendant of Standard Oil. It's currently headquartered in Texas.
Therefore, the lesson of Alaska is to not trust foreign oil companies?
What am I missing here?
Did the Alaskan Indpendence Party actually succeed and secede without anyone knowing about it?
Is Palin learning geography from Fox News?
Gee, aren't you paying attention? It was the Exxon-Valdez. Obviously an immigrant tanker that took a job from an Exxon-Frank or an Exxon-Tom.
So, question about the "dome." If I'm understanding things correctly, we drop this dome on top of the leak, and they we're going to pump out the oil as it collects in the dome. What are we doing with the oil? Putting it in the strategic reserves? Selling it on the market to help pay for cleanup?
Probably not? That oil will have been contaminated by sea water and god knows what else, because it won't be a perfect seal. I imagine it'll be like regular oil spill oil which is largely unrecoverable, but maybe it'll be a lower level of contamination?
They can remove the salt and water from the oil...in fact pumping sea water down into oil reserves to increase oil production is not too uncommon...at least for the ones "past their prime"
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Article in the Houston Chronicle today outlining a new tactical idea for sealing the well.
The runaway well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico might be sealed within as little as two weeks using a new, untested approach that has emerged in the last two days, BP CEO Tony Hayward told the Houston Chronicle today.
The method, which he called “top kill,” involves reconfiguring existing wellhead equipment to provide a conduit for pumping heavy fluids into the well. That would stop the flow and allow for a permanent seal, Hayward said during a visit to the BP operations center in west Houston that is headquarters for the spill response.
In an odd twist, the possible fix would use the blowout preventer that may have failed April 20 when a sudden burst of high-pressure hydrocarbons apparently blew out from the well and up to the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig, triggering a fire and explosion that killed 11 workers. The method has been used before to seal wells after blowouts on land, but has not been tried at the depths of the Macondo well on which the Deepwater Horizon was working.
The wellhead is under 5,000 feet of water and taps a reservoir 18,000 feet below the seabed.
In addition to laying out the possibility of a new tactic for sealing the well, Hayward clarified another BP executive's statement Tuesday that the well could pour as much as 60,000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf, 12 times the current official estimate of 5,000 barrels, or about 210,000 gallons.
The higher figure, Hayward said, represented an “absolute worst case scenario,” if the well were flowing totally unobstructed. Oil now is leaking from a pipe called a riser that had connected the well with the rig above. The riser, lying crimped on the ocean floor, is helping impede the speed of the flow, as is the damaged blowout preventer sitting atop the well head, which appears to be partially closed, he said.
Hayward acknowledged that no one knows the exact flow rate now.
“A guesstimate is a guesstimate. And the guesstimate remains 5,000 barrels a day,” Hayward said.
BP said earlier today it had sealed off one of three leaks in well equipment feeding the massive oil slick on the surface. But officials said the move was not expected to reduce the volume of oil coming from the well.
Hayward said the while the “top kill” option “has come to the fore” in the last 48 hours, engineers are continuing with plans to put a giant containment box over the leaks to gather the oil and send it to surface vessels. The short-term solution, which is being carried by ship today to the well site, should be operational by the weekend, he said. But he cautioned that because such an option has never been tried at these water depths, there could be some trial and error involved early on. “This will not work perfectly at all when we first do it,” Hayward said.
Meanwhile, the company also continues moving forward on a last-resort method of permanently sealing the well. A rig has begun drilling a new well to intercept the existing one and plug it.
Rest assured that the crisis is in the capable hands of a dude who uses the word 'guesstimate'.
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dude: "What's up with Obama? All these attempted terrorists attack and a successful attack on a oil rig, Bush kept us much safer!"
me: "You mean, if you don't take in account of 9/11? Also, the oil rig wasn't a terrorist attack."
Dude: "Well...umm...2007 and onwards, Bush was doing things right!"
Let's look at it this way. Obama sent more cabinet members than Bush sent for all of FEMA
There is seriously no parallel there. It's a ridiculous stretch and one of the more disgusting examples of tit-for-tat politics I've seen recently.
Also, weren't the Coast Guard on the scene in a day or so? And aren't the Coast Guard part of the federal government?
They don't blame Bush for being unable to stop the hurricane.
Also don't forget, "Doing a hell of a job, Brownie!"
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Considering that one of the people I was arguing with about this issue basically said "the people in power [ie the media] aren't going to tell you the truth", I rather doubt that this would be taken as credible. This same person claimed to be an expert on what was going on because he's a remote submersible operator...that's not even working on this fucking situation.
even if we demonstrably and undeniably prove that obama acted quickly
what is stopping the retards from going "ok he acted quickly but he did the wrong things and made it worse!!!"
this is politics, where cognitive bias > facts
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Yeah but you can say the same about Katrina. We're fast and agile and no one really knows what we're up to. In Katrina we just started getting shit done without someone higher up telling us to.
In other news, I guess tomorrow they'll attempt to drop that "dome" over the wellhead. Hopefully that works out.
How bad is it exactly? Is it getting better, or worse?
Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
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That's a big twinkie.
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http://inhabitat.com/2010/05/05/first-oil-containment-dome-shipped-to-deepwater-horizon-spill/
has a much better explanation than what i just wrote.
Talking about the notion of pumping stuff in to stop the leak.
Exxon spilled a jillion gallons of oil in Alaska.
Exxon is originally from Ohio, ia direct descendant of Standard Oil. It's currently headquartered in Texas.
Therefore, the lesson of Alaska is to not trust foreign oil companies?
What am I missing here?
Did the Alaskan Indpendence Party actually succeed and secede without anyone knowing about it?
Is Palin learning geography from Fox News?
I read somewhere that a twinkie that size would actually weigh something like 3-4 tons.
Cement is denser than water so it will sink. IDK how they manage to actually get the cement to stay/set in the well, and not just get blasted right out, but they seal exploratory wells all the time, so I'm sure theres some procedure for it.
edit: Its actually pretty obvious how they seal the well, as a 22,000 ft tall tower of concrete easily has 12,000 PSI of force behind it.
I thought that myself, but after watching the clip I put it back.
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They really didn't do that?
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They managed to seal 1 minor leak from the rig(1 other leak+ the well itself remaining). The first of the domes is being shipped there right now and figure to have it deployed by the end of the weekend, but they aren't even sure it will work. They have started drilling the relief well, but that will take a couple months, even if they hit it the first time.
Probably not? That oil will have been contaminated by sea water and god knows what else, because it won't be a perfect seal. I imagine it'll be like regular oil spill oil which is largely unrecoverable, but maybe it'll be a lower level of contamination?
Gee, aren't you paying attention? It was the Exxon-Valdez. Obviously an immigrant tanker that took a job from an Exxon-Frank or an Exxon-Tom.
And that map is epic.
They can remove the salt and water from the oil...in fact pumping sea water down into oil reserves to increase oil production is not too uncommon...at least for the ones "past their prime"
Rest assured that the crisis is in the capable hands of a dude who uses the word 'guesstimate'.
Yeah.