we will be derided for our inability to take furries seriously or something
like, we'll object to the little census boxes that lets you claim you're a fox or ocelot or something
and that will be bigotry
I actually think this is going to happen. Not to the suggested extent, but thanks to the internet (which is going to grow in dominance in our day to day life) will let various unusual or extreme subcultures thrive, and they'll end up being seen as 'a bit silly' as opposed to any massive flaw. And in general they'll be far more accepting of things that fall outside the norm.
Ah. I'm not sure how common it is in the United States. Pretty common, I'd guess, though I can only speculate (thankfully, having evidence would be....awkward...) compared to other parts of the world.
It's still prevelant in the U.S. and will be for a long time. It's still legal in places where it's very rare too. Decreasing rapidly as a practice in Canada. Still a long way off from being widely considered unacceptable.
Ah. I'm not sure how common it is in the United States. Pretty common, I'd guess, though I can only speculate (thankfully, having evidence would be....awkward...) compared to other parts of the world.
It's still prevelant in the U.S. and will be for a long time. It's still legal in places where it's very rare too. Decreasing rapidly as a practice in Canada. Still a long way off from being widely considered unacceptable.
I am willing to make a bet that nobody will be taking qualia very seriously in 50 years. Or John Searle's Chinese Room.
This is hilarious; I didn't even remember Searle's original argument using the thought experiment, and had to look it up just now. When I first read your post I was wondering what on earth the problem is with an explanation of Turing-completeness. I had entirely forgotten that the Chinese Room was originally formulated to dismiss strong AI, probably because I hang out with more computer scientists than philosophers. I guess we're fifty years ahead of the curve.
Seriously, the last several (and it really has been quite a few) times I've heard the thought experiment described, the end wasn't "a-ha, but that guy speaks English so the system doesn't really understand Chinese" it was "So we could replace this english-speaking guy reading from a book with a Quantum Gobbledygook Singularity Processor, and our examination of the system would be exactly the same because of Turing-completeness"
They'll all be wondering why the hell we made a film about them all which started with "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away". Pondering as to how we predicted it and yet thought it would be in another galaxy.
Prejudice against robots/AI stemming from the modern mythology of films like Terminator 2 and the Matrix.
Like shoe polish and black face from last century, humans will wear glued-on microchips and circuit boards?
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Seriously, the last several (and it really has been quite a few) times I've heard the thought experiment described, the end wasn't "a-ha, but that guy speaks English so the system doesn't really understand Chinese" it was "So we could replace this english-speaking guy reading from a book with a Quantum Gobbledygook Singularity Processor, and our examination of the system would be exactly the same because of Turing-completeness"
I like using it to explain to people why they don't understand English. And then they're all like WAIT YOU CAN'T DO THAT
Mandatory voting.
The fact that we only have a census every ten years and our stupid desire for privacy.
Walling off the cities and the war on townies.
Individual government watchdogs constantly monitoring every mine and oil rig.
Mass automation of manufacturing.
Why we didn't model society on Brave New World.
I'm not sure if it'll happen, but I kind of wonder how, in say, 50 years, our various media "eccentrics" will be looked at, especially at the height of their influence (assuming it hasn't happened already).
Very famous people like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, of course, but the more interesting view might be that of the huge wave of faceless personalities who merely refer to themselves as "your resident blogger" (like this chap) and have envisioned themselves as the natural evolution of media. Or did five to ten years ago anyway.
Of course, that assumes there is a decline in eccentric bloggers.
Oh, that's a little pessimistic. I guess I'd say the evils of our generation will be generally the same as those we ascribe of our forefathers. Sort of banal, but that's how I think these sort of things work.
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edited May 2010
Our generation's evilness, and this is going along with what the OP had in mind I think, is drinking culture.
Let me clarify; the glorifying of going out clubbing and getting drunk off our asses, etc. I think in 50 years time, people are going to look back on that shit and think "What in the fuck is the matter with you?"
The trick is, I think we're going to progress enough to where drinking becomes more widely accept, but as a result less people are going out to get shitfaced. I've seen lots of people get disinterested in alcohol with time and they only jump in because OMG IM 21 LETS DO THIS SHIT.
Our generation's evilness, and this is going along with what the OP had in mind I think, is drinking culture.
Let me clarify; the glorifying of going out clubbing and getting drunk off our asses, etc. I think in 50 years time, people are going to look back on that shit and think "What in the fuck is the matter with you?"
The trick is, I think we're going to progress enough to where drinking becomes more widely accept, but as a result less people are going out to get shitfaced. I've seen lots of people get disinterested in alcohol with time and they only jump in because OMG IM 21 LETS DO THIS SHIT.
This is a pretty good point. This whole culture of getting wasted is really fucking stupid. I mean, people got drunk on previous generations as well, but it wasn't nearly as obnoxious. And people didn't brag about how drunk they were last night either.
Prejudice against robots/AI stemming from the modern mythology of films like Terminator 2 and the Matrix.
Like shoe polish and black face from last century, humans will wear glued-on microchips and circuit boards?
That one, yeah, no. The Machines in the Matrix movies ended up that way because we were pompous pricks who reacted to our autonomous servants suddenly seeming to show emotion with "KILLITBURNITSMASHITUP".
Our generation's evilness, and this is going along with what the OP had in mind I think, is drinking culture.
Let me clarify; the glorifying of going out clubbing and getting drunk off our asses, etc. I think in 50 years time, people are going to look back on that shit and think "What in the fuck is the matter with you?"
The trick is, I think we're going to progress enough to where drinking becomes more widely accept, but as a result less people are going out to get shitfaced. I've seen lots of people get disinterested in alcohol with time and they only jump in because OMG IM 21 LETS DO THIS SHIT.
This is a pretty good point. This whole culture of getting wasted is really fucking stupid. I mean, people got drunk on previous generations as well, but it wasn't nearly as obnoxious. And people didn't brag about how drunk they were last night either.
It was extremely taboo back in the day too, but as things expanded for the youth the drinking came out of the closet (as it were). So now you've got shit where going to college for some people is defined by the parties they go to. You've got shows like Jersey Shore and The Real World playing up the drunken rampage / shitfaced antics and people find it entertaining and put themselves in those positions. You've got a genre of music talking about getting "crunk" or whatever (to be fair, I think a lot of 80's rock had that going on). And it's not helping that police let celebrities off the hook for drunken and disorderly conduct, which enables people...
I mean, one of these days the brakes are gonna be hit on that shit and it'll stop being cool.
All of our generations from the Boomers on will be seen the same way historians have traditionally seen the last days of the Western Roman Empire and the entirety of the Eastern. Extreme greed, decadence, lack of national character, concern only with personal pleasure.
It was extremely taboo back in the day too, but as things expanded for the youth the drinking came out of the closet (as it were). So now you've got shit where going to college for some people is defined by the parties they go to.
When, in the entire history of the Western University, have the students not drunk?
Also: see Mad Men for a portrayal of our grandparents' relationship to alcohol. I'll give you a hint: it involved a lot of drinking at work, a lot of drinking and driving, and a lot of getting absolutely three sheets to the wind at cocktail parties.
It was extremely taboo back in the day too, but as things expanded for the youth the drinking came out of the closet (as it were). So now you've got shit where going to college for some people is defined by the parties they go to.
When, in the entire history of the Western University, have the students not drunk?
Also: see Mad Men for a portrayal of our grandparents' relationship to alcohol. I'll give you a hint: it involved a lot of drinking at work, a lot of drinking and driving, and a lot of getting absolutely three sheets to the wind at cocktail parties.
We drink far less than our ancestors. And the people depicted in Mad Men have nothing on our founding generation and their children. Political rallies used to be excuses to just hand out alcohol to people and get drunk.
But we also have a more fucked up culture when it comes to drinking, and they didn't have automobiles.
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I actually think this is going to happen. Not to the suggested extent, but thanks to the internet (which is going to grow in dominance in our day to day life) will let various unusual or extreme subcultures thrive, and they'll end up being seen as 'a bit silly' as opposed to any massive flaw. And in general they'll be far more accepting of things that fall outside the norm.
Don't worry, meat will never be banned.
*stares longingly at Dalmation costume hanging in the closet*
Someday, people will understand someone like me ... *sighs*
We shall overcome.
It's still prevelant in the U.S. and will be for a long time. It's still legal in places where it's very rare too. Decreasing rapidly as a practice in Canada. Still a long way off from being widely considered unacceptable.
Prejudice against robots/AI stemming from the modern mythology of films like Terminator 2 and the Matrix.
Or the philosophical zombie.
Long live the zimboe!
I'm from East Asia, so it's a mystery to me.
This is hilarious; I didn't even remember Searle's original argument using the thought experiment, and had to look it up just now. When I first read your post I was wondering what on earth the problem is with an explanation of Turing-completeness. I had entirely forgotten that the Chinese Room was originally formulated to dismiss strong AI, probably because I hang out with more computer scientists than philosophers. I guess we're fifty years ahead of the curve.
Seriously, the last several (and it really has been quite a few) times I've heard the thought experiment described, the end wasn't "a-ha, but that guy speaks English so the system doesn't really understand Chinese" it was "So we could replace this english-speaking guy reading from a book with a Quantum Gobbledygook Singularity Processor, and our examination of the system would be exactly the same because of Turing-completeness"
Like shoe polish and black face from last century, humans will wear glued-on microchips and circuit boards?
I like using it to explain to people why they don't understand English. And then they're all like WAIT YOU CAN'T DO THAT
And I put on my awesome hat
like this
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For three or four nanoseconds, then it's back to pondering the nature of Cosmos.
Mandatory voting.
The fact that we only have a census every ten years and our stupid desire for privacy.
Walling off the cities and the war on townies.
Individual government watchdogs constantly monitoring every mine and oil rig.
Mass automation of manufacturing.
Why we didn't model society on Brave New World.
Very famous people like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, of course, but the more interesting view might be that of the huge wave of faceless personalities who merely refer to themselves as "your resident blogger" (like this chap) and have envisioned themselves as the natural evolution of media. Or did five to ten years ago anyway.
Of course, that assumes there is a decline in eccentric bloggers.
this guy
can't catch a break.
Your granddaughter brings her boyfriend to the family barbeque and he's wearing a fursuit
Your son has to tackle you before you can grab your shotgun
Nobody even knows if that shotgun even works - you haven't used it since the Zombie Apocalypse of 2023
Oh, that's a little pessimistic. I guess I'd say the evils of our generation will be generally the same as those we ascribe of our forefathers. Sort of banal, but that's how I think these sort of things work.
hard to see your navel through that fursuit
...
just sayin
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Let me clarify; the glorifying of going out clubbing and getting drunk off our asses, etc. I think in 50 years time, people are going to look back on that shit and think "What in the fuck is the matter with you?"
The trick is, I think we're going to progress enough to where drinking becomes more widely accept, but as a result less people are going out to get shitfaced. I've seen lots of people get disinterested in alcohol with time and they only jump in because OMG IM 21 LETS DO THIS SHIT.
This is a pretty good point. This whole culture of getting wasted is really fucking stupid. I mean, people got drunk on previous generations as well, but it wasn't nearly as obnoxious. And people didn't brag about how drunk they were last night either.
That one, yeah, no. The Machines in the Matrix movies ended up that way because we were pompous pricks who reacted to our autonomous servants suddenly seeming to show emotion with "KILLITBURNITSMASHITUP".
that's not a fursuit!
It was extremely taboo back in the day too, but as things expanded for the youth the drinking came out of the closet (as it were). So now you've got shit where going to college for some people is defined by the parties they go to. You've got shows like Jersey Shore and The Real World playing up the drunken rampage / shitfaced antics and people find it entertaining and put themselves in those positions. You've got a genre of music talking about getting "crunk" or whatever (to be fair, I think a lot of 80's rock had that going on). And it's not helping that police let celebrities off the hook for drunken and disorderly conduct, which enables people...
I mean, one of these days the brakes are gonna be hit on that shit and it'll stop being cool.
Except in that book it was teh gays
When, in the entire history of the Western University, have the students not drunk?
Also: see Mad Men for a portrayal of our grandparents' relationship to alcohol. I'll give you a hint: it involved a lot of drinking at work, a lot of drinking and driving, and a lot of getting absolutely three sheets to the wind at cocktail parties.
We drink far less than our ancestors. And the people depicted in Mad Men have nothing on our founding generation and their children. Political rallies used to be excuses to just hand out alcohol to people and get drunk.
But we also have a more fucked up culture when it comes to drinking, and they didn't have automobiles.