In the states unions can be a mixed bag. They do wonderful things for lots of different jobs and sometimes are just a waste of money. Though a lot of union thought here is since Reagan this country has been fostering an anti-union sentiment even though many of those that believe this got a lot of what they take for granted from the work of unions during the 1930's through 1950's and so on.
I'm actually already halfway through the form I was just curious if anyone was going to say "no"
EDIT: Arivia: It's 1.8 hours pay gone, actually
We don't know enough about Norse Employment law to give anything more than simple non specific answers.
See, if this was NZ I'd probably say no, as by law you are entitled to the same contract terms as union members and if it is a reasonably casual job you are unlikely to encounter serious enough employment problems so as to require assistance from such a body.
If this was the UK I'd still say no, unless you were planning to fall out with your employer. In which case, just wait till the time comes, then join.
Glorious Norway is an entirely different matter.
So, how serious is the job and how worried are you about being mistreated?
It's not a very serious job, which is exactly why mistreatment is a risk.
A friend of mine has a boss who constantly pulls illegal shit on her young and unknowledgeable employees
like, she fired one after she got back problems so severe she only almost made it to a doctor let alone work, and when she was going to come back she was just told she didn't need to come in tomorrow. She did that with all her shifts for a week then told her she was fired. That's like, three laws broken right there.
But when my friend, who knows about this stuff, calls in sick, it's perfectly ok.
Young people in these kinds of jobs are the ones most at risk for being fucked over at the workplace.
Because corporations will always look out for their workers? Man, you have smoked way to much of the bs crack I guess.
this was un-necessary, duer
Maybe it is just because you watch shit take place day to day here in the states since there isn't as many protections for workers as there in the rest of the first world. Part of that was we had a balancing act with unions that has really disappeared in the last 30 years.
Unions in the United States historically were one way corporations were kept in check from being dickwads to employees. And saying they have outlived their usefulness is part of the bs you hear from the anti-union groups in the US.
If I was in a job where, from the point of view of my superiors, there is no meaningful difference between employees or the cost to replace an employee was very low I would look into joining a union. Otherwise, definetly not.
oh and the girl who got fired haven't got all her money yet
My friend is gonna call a meeting with everyone, bring up all grievances they have with the horrible job, then if it's not fixed, which it won't be as her boss is a right proper cunt, it'll be turned over to the union and the Labour Inspection Authority
I'm actually already halfway through the form I was just curious if anyone was going to say "no"
EDIT: Arivia: It's 1.8 hours pay gone, actually
We don't know enough about Norse Employment law to give anything more than simple non specific answers.
See, if this was NZ I'd probably say no, as by law you are entitled to the same contract terms as union members and if it is a reasonably casual job you are unlikely to encounter serious enough employment problems so as to require assistance from such a body.
If this was the UK I'd still say no, unless you were planning to fall out with your employer. In which case, just wait till the time comes, then join.
Glorious Norway is an entirely different matter.
So, how serious is the job and how worried are you about being mistreated?
It's not a very serious job, which is exactly why mistreatment is a risk.
A friend of mine has a boss who constantly pulls illegal shit on her young and unknowledgeable employees
like, she fired one after she got back problems so severe she only almost made it to a doctor let alone work, and when she was going to come back she was just told she didn't need to come in tomorrow. She did that with all her shifts for a week then told her she was fired. That's like, three laws broken right there.
But when my friend, who knows about this stuff, calls in sick, it's perfectly ok.
Young people in these kinds of jobs are the ones most at risk for being fucked over at the workplace.
Well young people are certainly pretty vulnerable to this kind of abuse. I certainly was taken advantage of when I was out working during high school, so on that basis, it probably isn't a bad idea. However these days it is not very hard to get good, very basic employment law advice (at least in English speaking countries that I have lived in) for free. So there is always that.
Nah, you have rights that can be violated. You just don't have as much recourse if they are. If it is health or safety it goes to OSHA. If it deals with disability it falls under the American's with Disabilities Act and so on. But if it is just wanting a raise or benefits. Or numerous other things that collective bargaining can bring since it can produce a semi-equal footing with employers that is where unions become extremely important.
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that overrated thread is awful
it's all like "Twilight is awful"
and then people are like "it's good if it makes children read"
people don't seem to get that the argument against it isn't that it's poorly written
I'm actually already halfway through the form I was just curious if anyone was going to say "no"
EDIT: Arivia: It's 1.8 hours pay gone, actually
We don't know enough about Norse Employment law to give anything more than simple non specific answers.
See, if this was NZ I'd probably say no, as by law you are entitled to the same contract terms as union members and if it is a reasonably casual job you are unlikely to encounter serious enough employment problems so as to require assistance from such a body.
If this was the UK I'd still say no, unless you were planning to fall out with your employer. In which case, just wait till the time comes, then join.
Glorious Norway is an entirely different matter.
So, how serious is the job and how worried are you about being mistreated?
It's not a very serious job, which is exactly why mistreatment is a risk.
A friend of mine has a boss who constantly pulls illegal shit on her young and unknowledgeable employees
like, she fired one after she got back problems so severe she only almost made it to a doctor let alone work, and when she was going to come back she was just told she didn't need to come in tomorrow. She did that with all her shifts for a week then told her she was fired. That's like, three laws broken right there.
But when my friend, who knows about this stuff, calls in sick, it's perfectly ok.
Young people in these kinds of jobs are the ones most at risk for being fucked over at the workplace.
Well young people are certainly pretty vulnerable to this kind of abuse. I certainly was taken advantage of when I was out working during high school, so on that basis, it probably isn't a bad idea. However these days it is not very hard to get good, very basic employment law advice (at least in English speaking countries that I have lived in) for free. So there is always that.
application already sent because it's 1.8 hours worth of pay, and they don't just give advice they basically do everything for you should you need anything.
Nah, you have rights that can be violated. You just don't have as much recourse if they are. If it is health or safety it goes to OSHA. If it deals with disability it falls under the American's with Disabilities Act and so on. But if it is just wanting a raise or benefits. Or numerous other things that collective bargaining can bring since it can produce a semi-equal footing with employers that is where unions become extremely important.
or if your employer tries to screw you over, that doesn't fall under safety, disability or benefits
and I'm not entirely convinced everything's on the level here so I'm being prepared
EDIT: I think my pay is already at what the unions have set, so...
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"it's good if it makes children read" is always something that bugged me
I like reading as much as the next guy but man watching a good film or whatever is going to be way better than reading a shitty book
See, for it to actually be a good thing you have to use it to trick them into reading books that aren't pieces of excrement. The people who say that aren't usually the people being active in this regard.
Nah, you have rights that can be violated. You just don't have as much recourse if they are. If it is health or safety it goes to OSHA. If it deals with disability it falls under the American's with Disabilities Act and so on. But if it is just wanting a raise or benefits. Or numerous other things that collective bargaining can bring since it can produce a semi-equal footing with employers that is where unions become extremely important.
or if your employer tries to screw you over, that doesn't fall under safety, disability or benefits
and I'm not entirely convinced everything's on the level here so I'm being prepared
Yup good plan there actually. Better safe than sorry.
Dan Brown also makes people (not only children - far far too many adults don't read as well) read, but Dan Brown isn't full of creepy messages about abstinence and beastiality/necrophilia.
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because they have outlived their usefulness?
are those civilians liberals/hippies?
SO EXCITES!
Seeing the midnight show with Sabs tomorrow. Hopefully you get further with her than I do with Sabs.
Also, it's probably not too late for that Dementor joke.
That's the reason I got one again. Having to constantly charge my phone off my car sucked pretty bad
Because corporations will always look out for their workers? Man, you have smoked way to much of the bs crack I guess.
It's not a very serious job, which is exactly why mistreatment is a risk.
A friend of mine has a boss who constantly pulls illegal shit on her young and unknowledgeable employees
like, she fired one after she got back problems so severe she only almost made it to a doctor let alone work, and when she was going to come back she was just told she didn't need to come in tomorrow. She did that with all her shifts for a week then told her she was fired. That's like, three laws broken right there.
But when my friend, who knows about this stuff, calls in sick, it's perfectly ok.
Young people in these kinds of jobs are the ones most at risk for being fucked over at the workplace.
my lady's really lukewarm to the idea but that's just because the trailers haven't really grabbed her
she's willing to give it a chance because she's a fan of leo di caprio
Is it a date?
this was un-necessary, duer
That was awesome.
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It'll be playing in IMAX at Scotiabank
goin' to the midnight showing
gonna be tiiiiight
Maybe it is just because you watch shit take place day to day here in the states since there isn't as many protections for workers as there in the rest of the first world. Part of that was we had a balancing act with unions that has really disappeared in the last 30 years.
Unions in the United States historically were one way corporations were kept in check from being dickwads to employees. And saying they have outlived their usefulness is part of the bs you hear from the anti-union groups in the US.
we get our bs crack for free because unions already got us those rights back when they provided some actual utility
i cry big tears
My friend is gonna call a meeting with everyone, bring up all grievances they have with the horrible job, then if it's not fixed, which it won't be as her boss is a right proper cunt, it'll be turned over to the union and the Labour Inspection Authority
knowing nothing about pot or scales has hampered my ability to relate to this joke
Right? Talk about a hook up
That has to be one of the best Louis CK stories ever, and I'm sad he didn't really use it much
An ounce is generally worth $100 or more
hrrrrrrrrrm
I desperately hope this becomes a proper IP sequel thingie.
cast off the yoke of capitalism!
RISE UP AND THROW SOME MOTHERFUCKERS OUT SOME WINDOWS!
MAN THE BARRICADES IT'S TIME FOR REVOLUTION!
Well young people are certainly pretty vulnerable to this kind of abuse. I certainly was taken advantage of when I was out working during high school, so on that basis, it probably isn't a bad idea. However these days it is not very hard to get good, very basic employment law advice (at least in English speaking countries that I have lived in) for free. So there is always that.
But I managed it... LIKE A BAWSS
it's all like "Twilight is awful"
and then people are like "it's good if it makes children read"
people don't seem to get that the argument against it isn't that it's poorly written
ahaha
application already sent because it's 1.8 hours worth of pay, and they don't just give advice they basically do everything for you should you need anything.
Also I might be entitled to higher pay.
I like reading as much as the next guy but man watching a good film or whatever is going to be way better than reading a shitty book
or if your employer tries to screw you over, that doesn't fall under safety, disability or benefits
and I'm not entirely convinced everything's on the level here so I'm being prepared
EDIT: I think my pay is already at what the unions have set, so...
well in fairness kids who like shitty books are probably going to like shitty films
See, for it to actually be a good thing you have to use it to trick them into reading books that aren't pieces of excrement. The people who say that aren't usually the people being active in this regard.
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Yup good plan there actually. Better safe than sorry.
yeah i've always considered this a bullshit argument
"well, okay yeah it's totally retarded, and teaches awful viewpoints on life and relationships, but at least it's getting kids to read!"
it's also fucking them up in the head
that is not worth the price of encouraging literacy
Easy nutrition and great for the environment.
Because farming bugs would be a pain in the ass and icky. I guess I could feed them the leftover mushrooms though.