I'm actually already halfway through the form I was just curious if anyone was going to say "no"
EDIT: Arivia: It's 1.8 hours pay gone, actually
We don't know enough about Norse Employment law to give anything more than simple non specific answers.
See, if this was NZ I'd probably say no, as by law you are entitled to the same contract terms as union members and if it is a reasonably casual job you are unlikely to encounter serious enough employment problems so as to require assistance from such a body.
If this was the UK I'd still say no, unless you were planning to fall out with your employer. In which case, just wait till the time comes, then join.
Glorious Norway is an entirely different matter.
So, how serious is the job and how worried are you about being mistreated?
It's not a very serious job, which is exactly why mistreatment is a risk.
A friend of mine has a boss who constantly pulls illegal shit on her young and unknowledgeable employees
like, she fired one after she got back problems so severe she only almost made it to a doctor let alone work, and when she was going to come back she was just told she didn't need to come in tomorrow. She did that with all her shifts for a week then told her she was fired. That's like, three laws broken right there.
But when my friend, who knows about this stuff, calls in sick, it's perfectly ok.
Young people in these kinds of jobs are the ones most at risk for being fucked over at the workplace.
Well young people are certainly pretty vulnerable to this kind of abuse. I certainly was taken advantage of when I was out working during high school, so on that basis, it probably isn't a bad idea. However these days it is not very hard to get good, very basic employment law advice (at least in English speaking countries that I have lived in) for free. So there is always that.
application already sent because it's 1.8 hours worth of pay, and they don't just give advice they basically do everything for you should you need anything.
Also I might be entitled to higher pay.
Well if you get more money, then hoorah!
Trade Unions can be pretty neat, quite often their representatives will be like trained attack dogs working for you. Which is nice if you are having trouble with your employers.
Goddamnit, I did ANOTHER phallic doodle, complete with lazers coming out the end!
Make the balls floating robotic orbs like Darth Maul's probe droids in Episode I, and have them find the Jedi and then there's a fight and they use their light dildos to whack at each other and Natalie Portman comes out of the ship and says how bout we just fuck it out gentleman and Jar Jar takes her roughly from behind thrusting in and out passionately as his elongated tongue whips around the air out of control and C-3PO polishes her ass while making very polite assessments of her form and purposeful motions as she grinds up and down on gungan cock and then Jabba shows up and makes them fight in the pits and the loser falls into the giant vagina metaphor because George Lucas's girlfriend at the time of making Return of the Jedi gave him the herp and he was very sore about it
Nah, you have rights that can be violated. You just don't have as much recourse if they are. If it is health or safety it goes to OSHA. If it deals with disability it falls under the American's with Disabilities Act and so on. But if it is just wanting a raise or benefits. Or numerous other things that collective bargaining can bring since it can produce a semi-equal footing with employers that is where unions become extremely important.
Until, as was the case with the various unions I have ever encountered, they become corrupt and are just another huge drain on the workers paycheck for no benefit.
Even a "good" union can be a huge disadvantage if you are newly entering the job given how heavily they favor seniority.
And seriously, who the hell wants to work at a department store for 20 years?
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my sister has read all the twilight books but I'm not really worried it'll fuck her up
I mean, it's not like she reads other trashy books
and I've been mocking them as mormon propaganda enough that she'll think a little about the stuff in it
although I think she'd do that anyway, she's a very smart girl
EDIT: Kalkino: Trained attack dogs are exactly what they are. They actually have packs of them roaming the streets looking for employers to feed upon. For serious!
Dan Brown also makes people (not only children - far far too many adults don't read as well) read, but Dan Brown isn't full of creepy messages about abstinence and beastiality/necrophilia.
don't forget fucking till the girls' passed out and covered in bruises
man, i have a feeling obama is going to be a one termer
Its partially his own fault trying to be compromising and not trying to ram his policies through congress with an iron fist. The right wing was going to go after him no matter what he did, even if he put through every single policy they wanted it didn't matter. So better to go full bore and at least try to get things done and not piss off your base by giving in on the things we voted him in to do.
I am disappointed in Obama, but not enough to vote for the other side whose ideas and actions I still believe are far far worse.
"it's good if it makes children read" is always something that bugged me
I like reading as much as the next guy but man watching a good film or whatever is going to be way better than reading a shitty book
I don't know, there's shitty and there's shitty. I wouldn't want my kids reading Twilight but that's more to do with the weird messages it sends. If they want to read 5,000 Star Wars or Hardy Boys novels or whatever that's still building a habit that will serve them well later.
but so anyway
do you want to land some borders soon? I have been invited to go see Predators at 8 your time so I can't do an all-nighter but we could rock something for a while
Dan Brown also makes people (not only children - far far too many adults don't read as well) read, but Dan Brown isn't full of creepy messages about abstinence and beastiality/necrophilia.
don't forget fucking till the girls' passed out and covered in bruises
Dan Brown also makes people (not only children - far far too many adults don't read as well) read, but Dan Brown isn't full of creepy messages about abstinence and beastiality/necrophilia.
"it's good if it makes children read" is always something that bugged me
I like reading as much as the next guy but man watching a good film or whatever is going to be way better than reading a shitty book
I don't know, there's shitty and there's shitty. I wouldn't want my kids reading Twilight but that's more to do with the weird messages it sends. If they want to read 5,000 Star Wars or Hardy Boys novels or whatever that's still building a habit that will serve them well later.
but so anyway
do you want to land some borders soon? I have been invited to go see Predators at 8 your time so I can't do an all-nighter but we could rock something for a while
I can be on in a few minutes
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Nah, you have rights that can be violated. You just don't have as much recourse if they are. If it is health or safety it goes to OSHA. If it deals with disability it falls under the American's with Disabilities Act and so on. But if it is just wanting a raise or benefits. Or numerous other things that collective bargaining can bring since it can produce a semi-equal footing with employers that is where unions become extremely important.
Until, as was the case with the various unions I have ever encountered, they become corrupt and are just another huge drain on the workers paycheck for no benefit.
Even a "good" union can be a huge disadvantage if you are newly entering the job given how heavily they favor seniority.
And seriously, who the hell wants to work at a department store for 20 years?
They are still a large group of people with power, of course they get corrupt. I think they have a purpose, an important purpose for a lot of people. But being organizations made up of people they will never ever perfect.
man, i have a feeling obama is going to be a one termer
Its partially his own fault trying to be compromising and not trying to ram his policies through congress with an iron fist. The right wing was going to go after him no matter what he did, even if he put through every single policy they wanted it didn't matter. So better to go full bore and at least try to get things done and not piss off your base by giving in on the things we voted him in to do.
I am disappointed in Obama, but not enough to vote for the other side whose ideas and actions I still believe are far far worse.
So, you are disappointed that he is behaving in the way he said he would during the campaign?
There's a lot of hyperbolic nonsense that gets thrown around in Chat about Obama lately that all boils down to "la la la I wasn't listening during the entire freaking election season".
America needs a good ass-kicking. I need immigration papers.
emigration papers
Well, those too. I need to emigrate from the US and immigrate to... wherever.
Might I suggest Canada? Our women are better looking, our country's got a lot of wide open space for you to run around in, we've got the French... I guess that's a negative actually - but we've got the health care and politics aren't a big thing really, and there's multi-culturalism and other nice things.
Nah, you have rights that can be violated. You just don't have as much recourse if they are. If it is health or safety it goes to OSHA. If it deals with disability it falls under the American's with Disabilities Act and so on. But if it is just wanting a raise or benefits. Or numerous other things that collective bargaining can bring since it can produce a semi-equal footing with employers that is where unions become extremely important.
Until, as was the case with the various unions I have ever encountered, they become corrupt and are just another huge drain on the workers paycheck for no benefit.
Even a "good" union can be a huge disadvantage if you are newly entering the job given how heavily they favor seniority.
And seriously, who the hell wants to work at a department store for 20 years?
I have no idea what you mean by this. How can it be a disadvantage?
Also I think I should mention that this union encompasses nearly every store worker in the country and is a subsidiary of the largest union in the country which wields very considerable amounts of power given how strong their ties are to the biggest of the ruling party are
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so us developer folks got iPhone OS 4.1 for our iphones today.
My signal bars look different, and it says I have 4 bars in my apartment when it said I had 5 all the time before.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
man, i have a feeling obama is going to be a one termer
Its partially his own fault trying to be compromising and not trying to ram his policies through congress with an iron fist. The right wing was going to go after him no matter what he did, even if he put through every single policy they wanted it didn't matter. So better to go full bore and at least try to get things done and not piss off your base by giving in on the things we voted him in to do.
I am disappointed in Obama, but not enough to vote for the other side whose ideas and actions I still believe are far far worse.
So, you are disappointed that he is behaving in the way he said he would during the campaign?
There's a lot of hyperbolic nonsense that gets thrown around in Chat about Obama lately that all boils down to "la la la I wasn't listening during the entire freaking election season".
Dems were secretly hoping he would just ram through all legislation with his supercongress.
Dan Brown also makes people (not only children - far far too many adults don't read as well) read, but Dan Brown isn't full of creepy messages about abstinence and beastiality/necrophilia.
don't forget fucking till the girls' passed out and covered in bruises
Nah, you have rights that can be violated. You just don't have as much recourse if they are. If it is health or safety it goes to OSHA. If it deals with disability it falls under the American's with Disabilities Act and so on. But if it is just wanting a raise or benefits. Or numerous other things that collective bargaining can bring since it can produce a semi-equal footing with employers that is where unions become extremely important.
Until, as was the case with the various unions I have ever encountered, they become corrupt and are just another huge drain on the workers paycheck for no benefit.
Even a "good" union can be a huge disadvantage if you are newly entering the job given how heavily they favor seniority.
And seriously, who the hell wants to work at a department store for 20 years?
I have no idea what you mean by this. How can it be a disadvantage?
Also I think I should mention that this union encompasses nearly every store worker in the country and is a subsidiary of the largest union in the country which wields very considerable amounts of power given how strong their ties are to the biggest of the ruling party are
In case I wasn't clear, I was talking about the US here.
An example, when I was working at The Bon (mall store, now it's just called "Macys") the union took a big chunk of every paycheck (and had an outrageous "admin fee" when you started compared to the amount I was paid) but offered absolutely to services to people who were not long-timers at the store. You had to put in years to work up to the class of job where the union actually started giving a shit about you.
For short time workers, it was just another burden.
"it's good if it makes children read" is always something that bugged me
I like reading as much as the next guy but man watching a good film or whatever is going to be way better than reading a shitty book
I don't know, there's shitty and there's shitty. I wouldn't want my kids reading Twilight but that's more to do with the weird messages it sends. If they want to read 5,000 Star Wars or Hardy Boys novels or whatever that's still building a habit that will serve them well later.
but so anyway
do you want to land some borders soon? I have been invited to go see Predators at 8 your time so I can't do an all-nighter but we could rock something for a while
I can be on in a few minutes
hey are you guys bordering your lands on the PC or the 360
"it's good if it makes children read" is always something that bugged me
I like reading as much as the next guy but man watching a good film or whatever is going to be way better than reading a shitty book
I don't know, there's shitty and there's shitty. I wouldn't want my kids reading Twilight but that's more to do with the weird messages it sends. If they want to read 5,000 Star Wars or Hardy Boys novels or whatever that's still building a habit that will serve them well later.
but so anyway
do you want to land some borders soon? I have been invited to go see Predators at 8 your time so I can't do an all-nighter but we could rock something for a while
I can be on in a few minutes
hey are you guys bordering your lands on the PC or the 360
360
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"it's good if it makes children read" is always something that bugged me
I like reading as much as the next guy but man watching a good film or whatever is going to be way better than reading a shitty book
I don't know, there's shitty and there's shitty. I wouldn't want my kids reading Twilight but that's more to do with the weird messages it sends. If they want to read 5,000 Star Wars or Hardy Boys novels or whatever that's still building a habit that will serve them well later.
but so anyway
do you want to land some borders soon? I have been invited to go see Predators at 8 your time so I can't do an all-nighter but we could rock something for a while
I can be on in a few minutes
hey are you guys bordering your lands on the PC or the 360
Nah, you have rights that can be violated. You just don't have as much recourse if they are. If it is health or safety it goes to OSHA. If it deals with disability it falls under the American's with Disabilities Act and so on. But if it is just wanting a raise or benefits. Or numerous other things that collective bargaining can bring since it can produce a semi-equal footing with employers that is where unions become extremely important.
Until, as was the case with the various unions I have ever encountered, they become corrupt and are just another huge drain on the workers paycheck for no benefit.
Even a "good" union can be a huge disadvantage if you are newly entering the job given how heavily they favor seniority.
And seriously, who the hell wants to work at a department store for 20 years?
I have no idea what you mean by this. How can it be a disadvantage?
Also I think I should mention that this union encompasses nearly every store worker in the country and is a subsidiary of the largest union in the country which wields very considerable amounts of power given how strong their ties are to the biggest of the ruling party are
In case I wasn't clear, I was talking about the US here.
An example, when I was working at The Bon (mall store, now it's just called "Macys") the union took a big chunk of every paycheck (and had an outrageous "admin fee" when you started compared to the amount I was paid) but offered absolutely to services to people who were not long-timers at the store. You had to put in years to work up to the class of job where the union actually started giving a shit about you.
For short time workers, it was just another burden.
wow that's bullshit.
I'm paying maybe 2%
and since I'm young and new I'm the type of person they even sometimes actively seek out and talk to about their workplace to see if we're getting screwed over
people who've been working long don't need help much
man, i have a feeling obama is going to be a one termer
Its partially his own fault trying to be compromising and not trying to ram his policies through congress with an iron fist. The right wing was going to go after him no matter what he did, even if he put through every single policy they wanted it didn't matter. So better to go full bore and at least try to get things done and not piss off your base by giving in on the things we voted him in to do.
I am disappointed in Obama, but not enough to vote for the other side whose ideas and actions I still believe are far far worse.
Yeah, the democrats and obama have been pretty retarded about that. extending a hand and talking about bipartisanship for over a year didn't really bear any fruit.
even with the writing mostly on the wall for the elections later this year, the democrats still haven't gotten their shit together 'cause they think that going along with Obama's policies will sink them in their local elections.
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Well if you get more money, then hoorah!
Trade Unions can be pretty neat, quite often their representatives will be like trained attack dogs working for you. Which is nice if you are having trouble with your employers.
Make the balls floating robotic orbs like Darth Maul's probe droids in Episode I, and have them find the Jedi and then there's a fight and they use their light dildos to whack at each other and Natalie Portman comes out of the ship and says how bout we just fuck it out gentleman and Jar Jar takes her roughly from behind thrusting in and out passionately as his elongated tongue whips around the air out of control and C-3PO polishes her ass while making very polite assessments of her form and purposeful motions as she grinds up and down on gungan cock and then Jabba shows up and makes them fight in the pits and the loser falls into the giant vagina metaphor because George Lucas's girlfriend at the time of making Return of the Jedi gave him the herp and he was very sore about it
Until, as was the case with the various unions I have ever encountered, they become corrupt and are just another huge drain on the workers paycheck for no benefit.
Even a "good" union can be a huge disadvantage if you are newly entering the job given how heavily they favor seniority.
And seriously, who the hell wants to work at a department store for 20 years?
Not the show to try and relax to after a smoking session, that's for sure.
america didn't really want a centrist president, clearly
I mean, it's not like she reads other trashy books
and I've been mocking them as mormon propaganda enough that she'll think a little about the stuff in it
although I think she'd do that anyway, she's a very smart girl
EDIT: Kalkino: Trained attack dogs are exactly what they are. They actually have packs of them roaming the streets looking for employers to feed upon. For serious!
don't forget fucking till the girls' passed out and covered in bruises
and tearing her uterus open with your teeth
Its partially his own fault trying to be compromising and not trying to ram his policies through congress with an iron fist. The right wing was going to go after him no matter what he did, even if he put through every single policy they wanted it didn't matter. So better to go full bore and at least try to get things done and not piss off your base by giving in on the things we voted him in to do.
I am disappointed in Obama, but not enough to vote for the other side whose ideas and actions I still believe are far far worse.
emigration papers
On the flip side, though, who are the Republicans going to run? Palin/Bachmann '12?
Well, those too. I need to emigrate from the US and immigrate to... wherever.
I don't know, there's shitty and there's shitty. I wouldn't want my kids reading Twilight but that's more to do with the weird messages it sends. If they want to read 5,000 Star Wars or Hardy Boys novels or whatever that's still building a habit that will serve them well later.
but so anyway
do you want to land some borders soon? I have been invited to go see Predators at 8 your time so I can't do an all-nighter but we could rock something for a while
wait
what are objecting to here
exactly
I can be on in a few minutes
Exactly. People are talking the shit right now, but I don't see who could run against him in '12 and win it.
I mean maybe it'll be closer than the first election, but republicans still ain't got shit.
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They are still a large group of people with power, of course they get corrupt. I think they have a purpose, an important purpose for a lot of people. But being organizations made up of people they will never ever perfect.
So, you are disappointed that he is behaving in the way he said he would during the campaign?
There's a lot of hyperbolic nonsense that gets thrown around in Chat about Obama lately that all boils down to "la la la I wasn't listening during the entire freaking election season".
Might I suggest Canada? Our women are better looking, our country's got a lot of wide open space for you to run around in, we've got the French... I guess that's a negative actually - but we've got the health care and politics aren't a big thing really, and there's multi-culturalism and other nice things.
I have no idea what you mean by this. How can it be a disadvantage?
Also I think I should mention that this union encompasses nearly every store worker in the country and is a subsidiary of the largest union in the country which wields very considerable amounts of power given how strong their ties are to the biggest of the ruling party are
My signal bars look different, and it says I have 4 bars in my apartment when it said I had 5 all the time before.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Dems were secretly hoping he would just ram through all legislation with his supercongress.
PSN/XBL: Zampanov -- Steam: Zampanov
Twilight
we tried that a while back so it's a running joke with us now
we got so fucking freaked out just watching it, it's an awful trick to play on someone
In case I wasn't clear, I was talking about the US here.
An example, when I was working at The Bon (mall store, now it's just called "Macys") the union took a big chunk of every paycheck (and had an outrageous "admin fee" when you started compared to the amount I was paid) but offered absolutely to services to people who were not long-timers at the store. You had to put in years to work up to the class of job where the union actually started giving a shit about you.
For short time workers, it was just another burden.
Y'know what's just great? Ever since I updated my 2nd gen ipod touch with iOS4 it has a tendency to freeze up at times.
Bristol Palin, Levi Johnston to star in reality show? Surprise engagement announcement sparks rumors
See, her daughter isn't a single mother anymore! They totally love each other.
hey are you guys bordering your lands on the PC or the 360
360
360
wow that's bullshit.
I'm paying maybe 2%
and since I'm young and new I'm the type of person they even sometimes actively seek out and talk to about their workplace to see if we're getting screwed over
people who've been working long don't need help much
http://digitalwpc.com/Videos/VisionKeynoteVideos10/2/BradBrooksAndAndyLees
even with the writing mostly on the wall for the elections later this year, the democrats still haven't gotten their shit together 'cause they think that going along with Obama's policies will sink them in their local elections.