After that, if there's even a chance to get more, I'll go for Guardian or Force of Nature.
For his abilities, priority goes like W>E>R>Q? I tend to put a point in Q or E first, then max out W and E, then finish up Q.
Instead of rushing to Thornmail/Randuin, just stack triple hearts of gold. It'll give you a decent amount of income as well as health and armor. Then from there build what the other team has. Physical? THornmail/Sunfire. Magical? Banshees/Force O nature.
And don't forget to build your boots based on what the enemy team is. Which most of the time means Merc Treads.
It feels like I should get Mejiahs (or however it is spelled) on Karthus because of his ult, but I don't know where to fit it in.
Also, I keep thinking I want to try a Karthus with revive someday. Being able to fight, die + keep spamming Q for 8 seconds, then hit revive and cast his Ult would be delicious.
But then I'd be that guy that took revive....
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Patch notes. Where are you guys reading them? Namely the one about Shaco's nerf if that was recent. Announcements board only has the release notes as of last week's season one patch.
After that, if there's even a chance to get more, I'll go for Guardian or Force of Nature.
For his abilities, priority goes like W>E>R>Q? I tend to put a point in Q or E first, then max out W and E, then finish up Q.
Instead of rushing to Thornmail/Randuin, just stack triple hearts of gold. It'll give you a decent amount of income as well as health and armor. Then from there build what the other team has. Physical? THornmail/Sunfire. Magical? Banshees/Force O nature.
And don't forget to build your boots based on what the enemy team is. Which most of the time means Merc Treads.
Jesus christ, slice. Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
"Guys, should I build Tabi or Merc treads?"
"Treads."
"Guys, what do you think: Starks or Bloodthirster?"
It feels like I should get Mejiahs (or however it is spelled) on Karthus because of his ult, but I don't know where to fit it in.
Also, I keep thinking I want to try a Karthus with revive someday. Being able to fight, die + keep spamming Q for 8 seconds, then hit revive and cast his Ult would be delicious.
But then I'd be that guy that took revive....
Main items are usually a tier-3 item. (That is, it takes another built item to build it.) I will usually build the tier-2 item that leads to the tier-3 item, then get Soulstealer, then get the tier-3 item.
Now with RoA that gets screwed up a little, because both are over-time items. Getting Soulstealer of RoA basically means you are gambling that you will kill more than you will be killed in the immediate future. If you are confident of that, build Soulstealer. Otherwise get RoA first.
If at any time you are not confident about getting kills and not dying, do not buy a snowball item. It's just a waste of money, as you generally need 3-4 stacks consistently on it in order to make it worthwhile.
well, just because a person has a leave doesn't mean they will leave in this particular game. you never know how a person will act in that game unless they have like a ridiculous amount of leaves. it is all dependent on what happens during the game. what would they do if they calculated a person's leave chance was high? pair him with other leavers?
If someone has leaves they should just get thrown into a sort of 'bitch queue' with other players that have accumulated leaves. It wouldn't be hard to query the frequency that a player is leaving matchs and if they frequently or are on a streak of leaving then they get screwed accordingly. Not being able to play ranked games until 30 only hurts people that don't have a ton of time to play.
They should just lower the amount of experience it takes to get to 30, by a lot in my opinion. As it stands it takes a ridiculous amount of time to reach 30.
I got to 30 in under 2 months.
Not that hard/long.
do you know roughly how many games played it took you to get to 30?
Patch notes. Where are you guys reading them? Namely the one about Shaco's nerf if that was recent. Announcements board only has the release notes as of last week's season one patch.
Has a couple patches back actually, just scroll down or go to next page. All else fails google with site:leagueoflegends.com
So... is Karthus really OP or did I finally find a character I do well with?
I maintain quite good kill/death ratios (my games have been 8:5:1, 17:11:13, 9:4:11, 6:3:8, and 13:6:13). All but one of those is positive kill/death, and most have more kills than I get per game with other chars.
But then I thought, kills don't measure skill if you're letting your team lose. But so far, I've been 4:2 wins/losses with him.
So then I thought, maybe I don't contribute to team-fights. But I think that I do a ton of useful stuff in team fights, from the crazy aoe damage to the snaring wall.
And naturally, I'm quite a good creep killer.
So now I'm wondering whether I can get excited, pat myself on the back, and get ready to spend 6300 IP, or if I'm just playing a cheap OP character (and if so, why do I see so few of them)?
just play the character, especially if you're digging him and are performing well.
you seemed to be liking the character a bunch last night, plus you were killin mans left and right.
I think once you get down his wall of butts, you'll become a pretty solid Karthus.
Just stick with him and I'll stick with Rammus and we will be happy mans
After that, if there's even a chance to get more, I'll go for Guardian or Force of Nature.
For his abilities, priority goes like W>E>R>Q? I tend to put a point in Q or E first, then max out W and E, then finish up Q.
Instead of rushing to Thornmail/Randuin, just stack triple hearts of gold. It'll give you a decent amount of income as well as health and armor. Then from there build what the other team has. Physical? THornmail/Sunfire. Magical? Banshees/Force O nature.
And don't forget to build your boots based on what the enemy team is. Which most of the time means Merc Treads.
Jesus christ, slice. Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
It's for tanking! Tanks build almost everything based on what the other team is :P
Yea but Rammus benefits greatly with more armor + dodge, especially the armor since more armor for him = more damage and of course ARMOR.
I duno treads are cool and all, but I almost never use them. Unless the whole enemy team is magic.
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Wow, this is really enraging. Ranked games: 6/11 have had afks in my base. Yehaw.
After that, if there's even a chance to get more, I'll go for Guardian or Force of Nature.
For his abilities, priority goes like W>E>R>Q? I tend to put a point in Q or E first, then max out W and E, then finish up Q.
Instead of rushing to Thornmail/Randuin, just stack triple hearts of gold. It'll give you a decent amount of income as well as health and armor. Then from there build what the other team has. Physical? THornmail/Sunfire. Magical? Banshees/Force O nature.
And don't forget to build your boots based on what the enemy team is. Which most of the time means Merc Treads.
Jesus christ, slice. Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
It's for tanking! Tanks build almost everything based on what the other team is :P
Yea but Rammus benefits greatly with more armor + dodge, especially the armor since more armor for him = more damage and of course ARMOR.
I duno treads are cool and all, but I almost never use them. Unless the whole enemy team is magic.
You'll benefit much much much much much much more from 35% reduction on CC effects than you will from the +6 damage Ninja Tabi gives you. The dodge is nice of course but against the majority of team compositions you'll want Treads as a tank because they help against most physical and all magical heroes.
Yea but Rammus benefits greatly with more armor + dodge, especially the armor since more armor for him = more damage and of course ARMOR.
I duno treads are cool and all, but I almost never use them. Unless the whole enemy team is magic.
He benefits your team more if he's not cc'ed however. You don't usually get the treads for the MR, but for the CC reduction. The MR is just a side benefit.
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After that, if there's even a chance to get more, I'll go for Guardian or Force of Nature.
For his abilities, priority goes like W>E>R>Q? I tend to put a point in Q or E first, then max out W and E, then finish up Q.
Instead of rushing to Thornmail/Randuin, just stack triple hearts of gold. It'll give you a decent amount of income as well as health and armor. Then from there build what the other team has. Physical? THornmail/Sunfire. Magical? Banshees/Force O nature.
And don't forget to build your boots based on what the enemy team is. Which most of the time means Merc Treads.
Jesus christ, slice. Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
It's for tanking! Tanks build almost everything based on what the other team is :P
Yea but Rammus benefits greatly with more armor + dodge, especially the armor since more armor for him = more damage and of course ARMOR.
I duno treads are cool and all, but I almost never use them. Unless the whole enemy team is magic.
You'll benefit much much much much much much more from 35% reduction on CC effects than you will from the +6 damage Ninja Tabi gives you. The dodge is nice of course but against the majority of team compositions you'll want Treads as a tank because they help against most physical and all magical heroes.
I see. I will experiment when I get home in a bit. This sounds like the more reasonable fit than Ninja.
This game just sunk a bunch of ratings in my book. Got spoiled by ranked matches and being able to ban healbot Soraka and Heimer. Now I can't play ranked matches because I'm only level 24.
Now every single normal game I've been in now has Heimer in it, wherein we proceed to get stomped due to having no tier 1 towers.
I don't even want to bother playing all the way to get to 30 anymore.
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edited July 2010
Treads are usually the best purchase for a tank, though I grab Boots of Swiftness on a few tanks
As for level 30 for ranked, it was necessary for solo queue, though I don't see the point in changing it for arranged teams. If you have a level 25 on your team in arranged that's your choice, but they really did fuck up solo queue matches.
basically don't worry about rammus passive because it ain't that exciting
Just get as fat as possible and stack whatever resist is most relevant. The longer you're alive the more time the rest of your team gets to do legitimate damage while you taunt and rollerball everybody
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edited July 2010
Singed is a baller who doesn't give a shit about being CCed.
He was
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This game just sunk a bunch of ratings in my book. Got spoiled by ranked matches and being able to ban healbot Soraka and Heimer. Now I can't play ranked matches because I'm only level 24.
Now every single normal game I've been in now has Heimer in it, wherein we proceed to get stomped due to having no tier 1 towers.
I don't even want to bother playing all the way to get to 30 anymore.
I have a feeling they are going to change this very soon.
Is there a reason they don't just turn on draft mode for unraked normal mode?
Or at least give people an option between the two? I like draft and bans but dislike risking my rating by playing a new champion or playing with folks just for fun.
This game just sunk a bunch of ratings in my book. Got spoiled by ranked matches and being able to ban healbot Soraka and Heimer. Now I can't play ranked matches because I'm only level 24.
Now every single normal game I've been in now has Heimer in it, wherein we proceed to get stomped due to having no tier 1 towers.
I don't even want to bother playing all the way to get to 30 anymore.
So gank the crap out of heimer or just constantly destroy his turrets. Especially early game his cooldown is too much to drop 3 in quick succession.
This game just sunk a bunch of ratings in my book. Got spoiled by ranked matches and being able to ban healbot Soraka and Heimer. Now I can't play ranked matches because I'm only level 24.
Now every single normal game I've been in now has Heimer in it, wherein we proceed to get stomped due to having no tier 1 towers.
I don't even want to bother playing all the way to get to 30 anymore.
I have a feeling they are going to change this very soon.
Not a lot of people seem pleased.
I don't like the change, but they really shouldn't. Before there were a billion people whining and flaming at the fact that 20's could play. Now there are undoubtedly a billion people whining and flaming that they can't. There is no point trying to please your average internet user.
I have nothing to say other than this: Any system that encourages stat-whoring and last-hitting is going to be extremely bad for this game at a team level. If you think solo queue is bad now, just wait until last-hit hero killing is persistently rewarded. (ELO is forever; extra gold gain is only for that game.)
Here's an example of how even your expanded system is broken: What about Soraka players? They would be massively punished, because she generally has zero killing power for minions, heroes, or towers. So now you add in health healed.
OK, well what about Shen? His main purpose is to actually get attacked. So add damage taken as a stat?
The point is that this game is more complicated than a bunch of isolated stats can describe. Team composition and interaction are so important in this game, and that's simply not something you can quantify with individual per-champion statistics.
Pretty much the exact reasons the devs have stated such a system would not work and is not being implemented. I think pulling the 20s out of ranked will be a big improvement to the experience for those of us who are 30. There's nothing wrong with normal games.
I tower dived Ezrael while he was recalling using Kassadin. My projectile got so close to him it teleported back with him, killing him at his own fountain. I'll never forget the look of horror in Teemo's eyes.
edit: Minimum range on projectiles is a cool idea. The targetting circle could become a donut around you and would help to stop heimer from just stunning you at point blank, and proceeding to set up for another. Could be a neat theme for another hero as well.
Fellhand: Sorry, but I was referring to an enemy Heimer just paving his way through our towers.
As for coordinating ganks on Heimer: It's pretty difficult to coordinate anything amongst pubbies, and with blind pick the only option for normal games it often comes down to random chance that you'll have the team composition necessary to actually be effective against a competent Heimer.
Sorry, but I had just lost 5 games in a row before my previous post...all losing to teams that had Heimer. Then of course the game I just played had Heimer on my team, wherein we proceeded to stomp the hell out of the enemy team.
Also for the sub-30 people saying this change ruined the game and you don't like having to play against Heimer or whatever, what exactly do you think everyone else has done from the time they started playing to S1 release a week or two ago?
Yea but Rammus benefits greatly with more armor + dodge, especially the armor since more armor for him = more damage and of course ARMOR.
I duno treads are cool and all, but I almost never use them. Unless the whole enemy team is magic.
He benefits your team more if he's not cc'ed however. You don't usually get the treads for the MR, but for the CC reduction. The MR is just a side benefit.
I'm amazed that no one has brought up the obvious fact that getting both Thornmail and Ninja Tabi is basically wasting money. Either you want to get hit or you don't; pick one and go.
Also, I would recommend not getting Thornmail unless they have a serious auto-attack DPS on their team. Like Tristana or Yi or Jax. Otherwise that 2000YordleBux can be better spent on many other things.
Also for the sub-30 people saying this change ruined the game and you don't like having to play against Heimer or whatever, what exactly do you think everyone else has done from the time they started playing to S1 release a week or two ago?
Suck it up, ladies.
I regularly play with some folks that have been playing for awhile and are pretty good but still aren't 30
I don't know what it is about Master Yi, but whenever a Yi player is terrible they're SO TERRIBLE it's not even comparable to being terrible with any other champ.
Yea but Rammus benefits greatly with more armor + dodge, especially the armor since more armor for him = more damage and of course ARMOR.
I duno treads are cool and all, but I almost never use them. Unless the whole enemy team is magic.
He benefits your team more if he's not cc'ed however. You don't usually get the treads for the MR, but for the CC reduction. The MR is just a side benefit.
I'm amazed that no one has brought up the obvious fact that getting both Thornmail and Ninja Tabi is basically wasting money. Either you want to get hit or you don't; pick one and go.
Also, I would recommend not getting Thornmail unless they have a serious auto-attack DPS on their team. Like Tristana or Yi or Jax. Otherwise that 2000YordleBux can be better spent on many other things.
I believe thornmail will ALWAYS proc its damage based on the damage the attacking champion would have done had you been hit and had 0 armor. In other words, you will reflect back the same amount of damage regardless of your armor or dodge rating. A miss will still reflect damage back to the attacker.
I HAVE NOT TESTED THIS - It's just the word on the street.
plus there is no reason why normal mode can't be draftban as well
in my mind, at least
or just draft, don't complicate it with banning if you want
anything except blind pick
Yeah, this is pretty much the issue.
Having draft ban as an option would be great so that way the only people who get to experience the Soraka/Heimer hell games are the people who wish to do so (and presumably have the two on their team as well).
Yea but Rammus benefits greatly with more armor + dodge, especially the armor since more armor for him = more damage and of course ARMOR.
I duno treads are cool and all, but I almost never use them. Unless the whole enemy team is magic.
He benefits your team more if he's not cc'ed however. You don't usually get the treads for the MR, but for the CC reduction. The MR is just a side benefit.
I'm amazed that no one has brought up the obvious fact that getting both Thornmail and Ninja Tabi is basically wasting money. Either you want to get hit or you don't; pick one and go.
Also, I would recommend not getting Thornmail unless they have a serious auto-attack DPS on their team. Like Tristana or Yi or Jax. Otherwise that 2000YordleBux can be better spent on many other things.
I believe thornmail will ALWAYS proc its damage based on the damage the attacking champion would have done had you been hit and had 0 armor. In other words, you will reflect back the same amount of damage regardless of your armor or dodge rating. A miss will still reflect damage back to the attacker.
I HAVE NOT TESTED THIS - It's just the word on the street.
Yeah that sounds about right. I've seen my thornmail damage minions for much more than they were doing to me.
I'm amazed that no one has brought up the obvious fact that getting both Thornmail and Ninja Tabi is basically wasting money. Either you want to get hit or you don't; pick one and go.
Also, I would recommend not getting Thornmail unless they have a serious auto-attack DPS on their team. Like Tristana or Yi or Jax. Otherwise that 2000YordleBux can be better spent on many other things.
Thanks, I'll make a mental note of this.
Are there any bread/butter items with Rammus that I should be aware of?
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"Guys, should I build Tabi or Merc treads?"
"Treads."
Also, I keep thinking I want to try a Karthus with revive someday. Being able to fight, die + keep spamming Q for 8 seconds, then hit revive and cast his Ult would be delicious.
But then I'd be that guy that took revive....
"Guys, what do you think: Starks or Bloodthirster?"
"Treads."
Main items are usually a tier-3 item. (That is, it takes another built item to build it.) I will usually build the tier-2 item that leads to the tier-3 item, then get Soulstealer, then get the tier-3 item.
Now with RoA that gets screwed up a little, because both are over-time items. Getting Soulstealer of RoA basically means you are gambling that you will kill more than you will be killed in the immediate future. If you are confident of that, build Soulstealer. Otherwise get RoA first.
If at any time you are not confident about getting kills and not dying, do not buy a snowball item. It's just a waste of money, as you generally need 3-4 stacks consistently on it in order to make it worthwhile.
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Let me know you are from PA, otherwise I will likely ignore you.
do you know roughly how many games played it took you to get to 30?
OH FUCKING WELL
Has a couple patches back actually, just scroll down or go to next page. All else fails google with site:leagueoflegends.com
just play the character, especially if you're digging him and are performing well.
you seemed to be liking the character a bunch last night, plus you were killin mans left and right.
I think once you get down his wall of butts, you'll become a pretty solid Karthus.
Just stick with him and I'll stick with Rammus and we will be happy mans
Yea but Rammus benefits greatly with more armor + dodge, especially the armor since more armor for him = more damage and of course ARMOR.
I duno treads are cool and all, but I almost never use them. Unless the whole enemy team is magic.
You'll benefit much much much much much much more from 35% reduction on CC effects than you will from the +6 damage Ninja Tabi gives you. The dodge is nice of course but against the majority of team compositions you'll want Treads as a tank because they help against most physical and all magical heroes.
He benefits your team more if he's not cc'ed however. You don't usually get the treads for the MR, but for the CC reduction. The MR is just a side benefit.
that's why most people build them
I see. I will experiment when I get home in a bit. This sounds like the more reasonable fit than Ninja.
Thanks slice and everyone for the Rammus advice.
Now every single normal game I've been in now has Heimer in it, wherein we proceed to get stomped due to having no tier 1 towers.
I don't even want to bother playing all the way to get to 30 anymore.
As for level 30 for ranked, it was necessary for solo queue, though I don't see the point in changing it for arranged teams. If you have a level 25 on your team in arranged that's your choice, but they really did fuck up solo queue matches.
Just get as fat as possible and stack whatever resist is most relevant. The longer you're alive the more time the rest of your team gets to do legitimate damage while you taunt and rollerball everybody
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I know what these words mean, but not in the order that you've placed them. Do you mean the Heim is on your team and not upgrading his towers?
I have a feeling they are going to change this very soon.
Not a lot of people seem pleased.
Or at least give people an option between the two? I like draft and bans but dislike risking my rating by playing a new champion or playing with folks just for fun.
So gank the crap out of heimer or just constantly destroy his turrets. Especially early game his cooldown is too much to drop 3 in quick succession.
1: Remove tower damage from grenades
2: Grenades have a minimum range
I don't like the change, but they really shouldn't. Before there were a billion people whining and flaming at the fact that 20's could play. Now there are undoubtedly a billion people whining and flaming that they can't. There is no point trying to please your average internet user.
I'm guessing I just need to redownload.
Pretty much the exact reasons the devs have stated such a system would not work and is not being implemented. I think pulling the 20s out of ranked will be a big improvement to the experience for those of us who are 30. There's nothing wrong with normal games.
edit: Minimum range on projectiles is a cool idea. The targetting circle could become a donut around you and would help to stop heimer from just stunning you at point blank, and proceeding to set up for another. Could be a neat theme for another hero as well.
As for coordinating ganks on Heimer: It's pretty difficult to coordinate anything amongst pubbies, and with blind pick the only option for normal games it often comes down to random chance that you'll have the team composition necessary to actually be effective against a competent Heimer.
Sorry, but I had just lost 5 games in a row before my previous post...all losing to teams that had Heimer. Then of course the game I just played had Heimer on my team, wherein we proceeded to stomp the hell out of the enemy team.
I don't know how I feel about that.
Suck it up, ladies.
I'm amazed that no one has brought up the obvious fact that getting both Thornmail and Ninja Tabi is basically wasting money. Either you want to get hit or you don't; pick one and go.
Also, I would recommend not getting Thornmail unless they have a serious auto-attack DPS on their team. Like Tristana or Yi or Jax. Otherwise that 2000YordleBux can be better spent on many other things.
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Let me know you are from PA, otherwise I will likely ignore you.
It's better on Rammus since you stack it with Defensive Curl and do more damage
I regularly play with some folks that have been playing for awhile and are pretty good but still aren't 30
So no u.
in my mind, at least
or just draft, don't complicate it with banning if you want
anything except blind pick
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I believe thornmail will ALWAYS proc its damage based on the damage the attacking champion would have done had you been hit and had 0 armor. In other words, you will reflect back the same amount of damage regardless of your armor or dodge rating. A miss will still reflect damage back to the attacker.
I HAVE NOT TESTED THIS - It's just the word on the street.
Yeah, this is pretty much the issue.
Having draft ban as an option would be great so that way the only people who get to experience the Soraka/Heimer hell games are the people who wish to do so (and presumably have the two on their team as well).
Yeah that sounds about right. I've seen my thornmail damage minions for much more than they were doing to me.
Are there any bread/butter items with Rammus that I should be aware of?
Like - items that are a necessity for him?