Just came back from seeing this and I absolutely loved it! It was a really enjoyable movie from start to finish, I even place it above Spider-Man 2. 2 dragged in places, but this kept going and kept my attention from start to finish. Everything really clicked for me,
with the exception of Sandman's redemption at the end. That didn't really seem to work well. I would've liked to see Sandman cut entirely from the movie to focus more on Harry & Venom, but taking the movie as it was Sandman worked fine minus the redemption stuff at the end. He provided the need in Peter to give in and use the symbiote suit, which in turn lead to everything else. If the arc with Sandman would've ended there, it would've been fine but the redemption at the end was a bit much.
"Too much crying"? I keep hearing/seeing this complaint and I don't get it. We all must've been watching two different movies. Every note that had to be hit in the story for this all to work was hit; there were moments where there was going to be crying, but those moments made sense and had to come for the sake of the story. "Too much emoness"? That was the point. It was faintly humorous and enjoyable to watch Evil/Emo Peter, but just as in the story the ride stops when he hits MJ. I thought that bit played well; in the comics and '90s cartoon Peter gets a bit more cocky and arrogant from the symbiote and that got shown well in the movie, the strutting scene was a callback to the "Raindrops" scene from 2, and the hit of MJ was Peter's wake-up call.
I grew up as a comics nerd as well, although Spider-Man was secondary on my list to the X-Men. So just as I had been looking forward to seeing Doctor Octopus on screen, I was about DYING to see Venom and I wasn't disappointed. Topher Grace as a less musclehead, more arrogant jerk Eddie Brock clicked well and as he became Venom he was easily buyable as a villain. I do fear the nerd backlash against how Gwen Stacy was portrayed in the movie. "Just a girl from class"? Ouch.
Stand-outs: Bruce Campbell (obviously!), Topher Grace, and Stan Lee. 'Nuff said.
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I went to see the midnight showing on Thursday night, and I'll tell you that I will NEVER go to another mightnight showing again. The crowd was so childish I couldn't stand it. Since my friends and I wanted good seats, we got there at about 10:20. While we did get prime seating, we were subject to the idiotic ramblings and behavior of rabid fanboys for an hour and 40 minutes.
I was so disappointed in the movie that I was completely bummed out all day Friday.
I pretty much have the same complaints that most people here have had. The ending felt horribly rushed, the butler made me want to punch myself unconscious, letsrunsometestsonthispileofsandandseewhathappensolol, emohair, "oops, my partner touched me on the shoulder and I accidently shot your uncle"... the list goes on. They should have made the Venom arc an entire movie by itself.
The things I did like about the movie were few. While I thought Topher made an o.k. Ed Brock, I thought he made a great Venom. He definetly needed more screen time. Also... more Gwen please. Bruce Campbell was fantastic.
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Disappointed with the movie.
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I just got back, I loved it. I mean, it wasn't anywhere near perfect, but it was fun as hell. Alot of the Harry and Sandman moments felt cliche, but the movie itself was campy enough that it worked. EmoPete was hilarious and Venom looked fan-fucking-tastic.
Also,
We came to the movie straight from a formal dinner, lo and behold, when EmoPete comes out of the suit store, he wears the exact thing I am and starts dancing. I of course, had to put my hair in my face and dance my way out of the theatre.
I liked it, but I didn't love it. It was a decent action movie, but it had some serious problems.
To all the people saying we shouldn't take it seriously because it's based on a comic; where do you think you are? This is Graphic Violence. Comic books are serious business.
To summarize a very long review I wrote elsewhere; it could have been a very great movie. All the right ideas and themes and stories were in place. The problem is, they tried to add all kinds of other themes and stories in on top of that. The movie failed simply by trying to do too much; it lacked the intelligence or emotional charge of the other two movies because it just jumped from plot point to plot point without allowing any real time to comment or reflect on what was happening.
I mean, it turned out a decent movie, but it's disappointing when compared to what it so easily could have been.
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I think they mishandled every badguy in the film.
I mean come the fuck on.
The butler comes out suddenly and is like "Dude, there is no doubt in my mind that your dad killed himself. For reals." And suddenly Harry is all peachy keen.
Venom was marred totally. So little focus on him and so little time explaining how the suit worked. I mean, he was taking it off over and over until the church bells went off.
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The butler comes out suddenly and is like "Dude, there is no doubt in my mind that your dad killed himself. For reals." And suddenly Harry is all peachy keen.
Venom was marred totally. So little focus on him and so little time explaining how the suit worked. I mean, he was taking it off over and over until the church bells went off.
True enough, but I liked Harry as a good guy.
They really ought to have gotten a decent actor to be the butler. I appreciate them bringing back the old actors for the sake of continuity, but Jesus.
The butler comes out suddenly and is like "Dude, there is no doubt in my mind that your dad killed himself. For reals." And suddenly Harry is all peachy keen.
Venom was marred totally. So little focus on him and so little time explaining how the suit worked. I mean, he was taking it off over and over until the church bells went off.
i'd argue that the only baddie that got the shaft was venom. the way I see it is that this movie, even more so than the other 2, is about peter and his own struggle. the bad guys are just plot points that help move his own development. the exception was harry. franco did one hell of a bang up job and i absolutely loved his innocent (bop!) character. the inevitable 180 was so sinister that i actually felt bad for the guy. at that point i hated peter so much that i was really sad that harry's good side had to go away (that is, i'm glad that it did because it illicited a good emotional response). his redemption and his team up with peter was just a fantastic (though predictable) turn of events. And yeah, the butler sucked balls but i'll forgive a deux ex machina as long as it doesn't ruin the whole movie (which i dont think it did. it was more silly than anything else) Even sandman's story was adequately done (his origin was ridiculous but the scene with him emerging from the sand was one of my favorites), I thought, and when peter finally forgave him he in turn redeemed himself for all the shit that he had been doing. There wasn't a central "bad-guy" and while that could have been handled better I still enjoyed the fuck out of the characters. Poor Topher. He was pretty good too, for what little they gave him.
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You guys know what was one of my favorite parts in the movie?
When Spidey get's the key to the city, and he swings down. How he sticks to stage, does that little handstand, and then hangs upside down. There was that glimpse of the confident, funny spider-man that's rarely seen in the movie.
You guys know what was one of my favorite parts in the movie?
When Spidey get's the key to the city, and he swings down. How he sticks to stage, does that little handstand, and then hangs upside down. There was that glimpse of the confident, funny spider-man that's rarely seen in the movie.
Amen. The first thirty or so minutes of the film were good times, and I really wish they had maintained that momentum.
I went to see the midnight showing on Thursday night, and I'll tell you that I will NEVER go to another mightnight showing again. The crowd was so childish I couldn't stand it. Since my friends and I wanted good seats, we got there at about 10:20. While we did get prime seating, we were subject to the idiotic ramblings and behavior of rabid fanboys for an hour and 40 minutes.
I was so disappointed in the movie that I was completely bummed out all day Friday.
I pretty much have the same complaints that most people here have had. The ending felt horribly rushed, the butler made me want to punch myself unconscious, letsrunsometestsonthispileofsandandseewhathappensolol, emohair, "oops, my partner touched me on the shoulder and I accidently shot your uncle"... the list goes on. They should have made the Venom arc and entire movie by itself.
The things I did like about the movie were few. While I thought Topher made an o.k. Ed Brock, I thought me made a great Venom. He definetly needed more screen time. Also... more Gwen please. Bruce Campbell was fantastic.
Yeah, I don't really get why they were running tests on sand at 2am. Guess that's why I don't work in a science factory though.
I don't see what's hard to believe about how Sandman shot Ben. Petty thug is in the middle of a crime and gets startled, oh fuck, gun went off. I mean, sure, it's convenient that the guy who shot his uncle ended up being a supervillain but there are lots of conveniences like that.
I thought it was a pretty fun film. There were a number of things that made me roll my eyes a bit but damn, people expect way too much.
Every character must be just as I know them in the comic and well fleshed-out. They introduced a villain and killed him in the same movie, what kind of cheap bullshit is that!? I mean, there was no reason that that character ought to live, it would only be completely anti-climatic but, fuck Sam Raimi, I like him!
I thought the scene where Sandman pulls himself out of the sand for the first time was strangly beautiful. The parts where he, at first, can't hold himself together, but then manages to in order to get the locket were really well done. They could have filled that with cheese ("I can't pick this up I'm made of sand! I will become Sandman!") but instead it had sort of a silent dignity.
Overall I liked it. I went to enjoy a movie, I enjoyed a movie.
I thought the scene where Sandman pulls himself out of the sand for the first time was strangly beautiful. The parts where he, at first, can't hold himself together, but then manages to in order to get the locket were really well done. They could have filled that with cheese ("I can't pick this up I'm made of sand! I will become Sandman!") but instead it had sort of a silent dignity.
I agree with that. It was strangely beautiful.
Sandman in particular was handled quite well in this film with the possible exception of the weird face turns he kept pulling.
My two cents on the film are that up to the Jazz Club Shenanigans I was generally enjoying the film. It was easily on par with the second one and bar a few minor flaws which have already been discussed (Symbiote origin etc.) the film was good.
However, I did feel a marked change in the atmosphere of the theatre I was in as the emo/confident Peter Parker stuff dragged on. People began to look around nervously and laugh in high pitches. I would have happily seen that bit slimmed down in favour of an extra ten minutes or so of Venom Action (He could be sitting in a chair clipping his toenails for all I care)
All in all an okay film but I just pray they dont make a fourth one with different actors!
Saw it last night, and I'll be seeing it again tonight in IMAX (cause IMAX rocks, and I'm kind of curious what gets cut.)
Thought it was good. The action scenes where fucking amazing, in particular the saving of Gwen and the last tag team battle. The story was okay, though it did feel like they where trying to do to much. And MJ came off as really petty and selfish in the first half of the flick.
"Oh Peter, you just can't understand how I feel, what with me getting a bad review and fired from a play."
"Uh, have you looked at a Daily Bugle in the last 2 years? And you got fired, big whup, I nearly die all the damn time, don't see me bitching about it, do you?" (well, not anymore...)
I thought the scene where Sandman pulls himself out of the sand for the first time was strangly beautiful. The parts where he, at first, can't hold himself together, but then manages to in order to get the locket were really well done. They could have filled that with cheese ("I can't pick this up I'm made of sand! I will become Sandman!") but instead it had sort of a silent dignity.
I agree with that. It was strangely beautiful.
Sandman in particular was handled quite well in this film with the possible exception of the weird face turns he kept pulling.
My two cents on the film are that up to the Jazz Club Shenanigans I was generally enjoying the film. It was easily on par with the second one and bar a few minor flaws which have already been discussed (Symbiote origin etc.) the film was good.
However, I did feel a marked change in the atmosphere of the theatre I was in as the emo/confident Peter Parker stuff dragged on. People began to look around nervously and laugh in high pitches. I would have happily seen that bit slimmed down in favour of an extra ten minutes or so of Venom Action (He could be sitting in a chair clipping his toenails for all I care)
All in all an okay film but I just pray they dont make a fourth one with different actors!
I agree - that initial scene with Sandman was great. Very well done. Overall though, I felt really disappointed with the movie. I think it would have been a great movie if
Cut out the confident wink and the gun Peter and focused more on the angry\destructive Peter
That whole section of the movie was just a bit too much cheese for me and ruined the film for me.
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I liked the way they pulled off Venom but I would have liked to see them do the whole "becomes what ever you need" thing rather than just another costume varient. Venom used to be able to become clothing if Parker/Brock wanted and was never taken off.
But was it just me or
did raimi kill Venom and Brock the way he did to ensure neither return ever again. Oh well. The other piece of Venom can be used in the lizard serum or even become carnage at a later date
Other than that I thought it was a good movie, but not on par with the first film. The singing and the dancing felt really out of place but what ever. Was a fun film.
Great movie. I enjoyed the hell out of it, especially Peter when he had his Hitler Hair going on.
I don't know if Venom/Brock is really dead, as it didn't seem too conclusive to me, but either way, oh well. I had a good time, and Venom was done pretty well, considering his original origins.
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Again, Spider-man was totally lacking hilarious quips.
What the fuck.
Why do they never give him any fucking good lines?
The movie really should have just been about venom/harry. With the suit being used to beat harry, peter realizing that it was turning him into something he's not, then focusing on venom fucking around with peter.
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I thought the scene where Sandman pulls himself out of the sand for the first time was strangly beautiful. The parts where he, at first, can't hold himself together, but then manages to in order to get the locket were really well done. They could have filled that with cheese ("I can't pick this up I'm made of sand! I will become Sandman!") but instead it had sort of a silent dignity.
God, yes. I wish Sandman would have gotten more attention; could have drastically improved the movie. Overall I thought it was a pretty good movie. Amazing action scenes, an excellent first half, and Spidey acting like a gigantic asshole was easily worth my money. Seriously, watching Peter trying, and failing, to be a gigantic, cocky douche was hilarious. The cookie scene with Ursula (who looked strangely hotter in this movie) was a thing of beauty. Actually, they should have just had another thirty minutes of Harry eating pie while doing giant, crazy smiles, and Peter ordering russian girls to bake him cookies.
I do wish they'd have only focused on one or two villains for the movie, cut deus ex butler and Gwen Stacy, and added a little exposition where needed (fleshing out Harry's motivations better, explaining why the sand test was being done at night), but all in all it was a good film.
Oh, and 4th Letter has a pretty good little article about the Spidey novelization, and how it fills in some of the holes in the movie. It's worth a read to see how much better the movie could have been with a few little tweaks.
the omelet/dance scene. It felt more natural than many parts of the movies. Mostly because there was very little "heard" dialog, it sounded more like it was supposed to be cut, but James Franco and Kirsten Dunst just had too much fun. Especially when he flipped the omelet and missed. The reaction is too perfect to be written into the script.
I saw it again today to actually confirm that I thought it was a good movie. And I still loved it and think it might actually be the best in the series.
At the end of each showing I've attended, people have always been outside talking about the cheesy moments, how they made the movie bad, and how the second was so much better. It's ridiculous. Sure, there was some cheese here, but both the first and second were pretty much corndog city. If people are going to dislike the movie, I don't think they're doing it for the right reasons.
At the end of each showing I've attended, people have always been outside talking about the cheesy moments, how they made the movie bad, and how the second was so much better. It's ridiculous. Sure, there was some cheese here, but both the first and second were pretty much corndog city. If people are going to dislike the movie, I don't think they're doing it for the right reasons.
Yeah, I have to wonder if people have forgotten
-Peter webbing a lunch tray, and nobody really saying anything
-triple backflip in a high school fight
-Macho Man Randy Bonesaw
-Macy Gray
-the New York Patriotism Squad fending off Green Goblin
-Rain Drops Keep Fallin' On My Head montage
and so on. It seems like everyone's forgotten that the previous movies were just as heavy on the cheese.
I saw it again today to actually confirm that I thought it was a good movie. And I still loved it and think it might actually be the best in the series.
At the end of each showing I've attended, people have always been outside talking about the cheesy moments, how they made the movie bad, and how the second was so much better. It's ridiculous. Sure, there was some cheese here, but both the first and second were pretty much corndog city. If people are going to dislike the movie, I don't think they're doing it for the right reasons.
Yeah. I mean, this is Sam fucking Raimi we're talking about. I generally liked the movie because it didn't take itself super seriously.
I do wish Spidey would crack a joke once in awhile, and that movie venom would have shared a single characteristic with non-movie venom, but other than that, tis alright in my book.
Also: Big Willam Dafoe painting was creeeeeeeeepy.
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I saw it again today to actually confirm that I thought it was a good movie. And I still loved it and think it might actually be the best in the series.
At the end of each showing I've attended, people have always been outside talking about the cheesy moments, how they made the movie bad, and how the second was so much better. It's ridiculous. Sure, there was some cheese here, but both the first and second were pretty much corndog city. If people are going to dislike the movie, I don't think they're doing it for the right reasons.
Yeah. I mean, this is Sam fucking Raimi we're talking about. I generally liked the movie because it didn't take itself super seriously.
I do wish Spidey would crack a joke once in awhile, and that movie venom would have shared a single characteristic with non-movie venom, but other than that, tis alright in my book.
Also: Big Willam Dafoe painting was creeeeeeeeepy.
I loved how it was him in the chair, right next to his chair.
the omelet/dance scene. It felt more natural than many parts of the movies. Mostly because there was very little "heard" dialog, it sounded more like it was supposed to be cut, but James Franco and Kirsten Dunst just had too much fun. Especially when he flipped the omelet and missed. The reaction is too perfect to be written into the script.
The way people in D&D were ragging on it, I thought I was the only one who liked that scene. I agree completely; it just seemed fun in a really natural way.
the omelet/dance scene. It felt more natural than many parts of the movies. Mostly because there was very little "heard" dialog, it sounded more like it was supposed to be cut, but James Franco and Kirsten Dunst just had too much fun. Especially when he flipped the omelet and missed. The reaction is too perfect to be written into the script.
The way people in D&D were ragging on it, I thought I was the only one who liked that scene. I agree completely; it just seemed fun in a really natural way.
It's like they were just filming and James was all "There's a dance scene? What, is Tobey gonna do the twist?"
And they saw he could do the twist and thought "...This might be fun."
I thought the pie scene/cookie scene was a thing of beauty myself.
If you didn't enjoy the movie, its your perogative, but I feel sorry for you. While some things could have been done better, I think the main things (symbiote origin, symbiote effects on Peter, etc) were done well. I think all the charecters came across as human and fleshed out, and Venom was really fucking creepy. Reason I don't think the charecter is "dead" is how Brock admitted to liking the symbiote. I figure that its just setting the stage for Maximum Carnage myself, but we'll see.
I wouldn't mind seeing a city under siege scenario in the spirit of Maximum Carnage, with Spider-Man teaming up with Sandman and perhaps a third supporting hero (I'd hope for the Human Torch, but whatever) against an improved villain and a group of smaller rogues who couldn't sustain their own films.
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Venom and Scorpion have been stale for as long as I've known the characters. Putting them together was at least, you know, something.
"Too much crying"? I keep hearing/seeing this complaint and I don't get it. We all must've been watching two different movies. Every note that had to be hit in the story for this all to work was hit; there were moments where there was going to be crying, but those moments made sense and had to come for the sake of the story. "Too much emoness"? That was the point. It was faintly humorous and enjoyable to watch Evil/Emo Peter, but just as in the story the ride stops when he hits MJ. I thought that bit played well; in the comics and '90s cartoon Peter gets a bit more cocky and arrogant from the symbiote and that got shown well in the movie, the strutting scene was a callback to the "Raindrops" scene from 2, and the hit of MJ was Peter's wake-up call.
I grew up as a comics nerd as well, although Spider-Man was secondary on my list to the X-Men. So just as I had been looking forward to seeing Doctor Octopus on screen, I was about DYING to see Venom and I wasn't disappointed. Topher Grace as a less musclehead, more arrogant jerk Eddie Brock clicked well and as he became Venom he was easily buyable as a villain. I do fear the nerd backlash against how Gwen Stacy was portrayed in the movie. "Just a girl from class"? Ouch.
Stand-outs: Bruce Campbell (obviously!), Topher Grace, and Stan Lee. 'Nuff said.
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I was so disappointed in the movie that I was completely bummed out all day Friday.
The things I did like about the movie were few. While I thought Topher made an o.k. Ed Brock, I thought he made a great Venom. He definetly needed more screen time. Also... more Gwen please. Bruce Campbell was fantastic.
Also,
To all the people saying we shouldn't take it seriously because it's based on a comic; where do you think you are? This is Graphic Violence. Comic books are serious business.
To summarize a very long review I wrote elsewhere; it could have been a very great movie. All the right ideas and themes and stories were in place. The problem is, they tried to add all kinds of other themes and stories in on top of that. The movie failed simply by trying to do too much; it lacked the intelligence or emotional charge of the other two movies because it just jumped from plot point to plot point without allowing any real time to comment or reflect on what was happening.
I mean, it turned out a decent movie, but it's disappointing when compared to what it so easily could have been.
I mean come the fuck on.
The butler comes out suddenly and is like "Dude, there is no doubt in my mind that your dad killed himself. For reals." And suddenly Harry is all peachy keen.
Venom was marred totally. So little focus on him and so little time explaining how the suit worked. I mean, he was taking it off over and over until the church bells went off.
They really ought to have gotten a decent actor to be the butler. I appreciate them bringing back the old actors for the sake of continuity, but Jesus.
Lets not forget that in post-Civil War Venoms also a "good guy" working with the Thunderbolts, with rights to tv ads whoring action figures of him.
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Amen. The first thirty or so minutes of the film were good times, and I really wish they had maintained that momentum.
I don't see what's hard to believe about how Sandman shot Ben. Petty thug is in the middle of a crime and gets startled, oh fuck, gun went off. I mean, sure, it's convenient that the guy who shot his uncle ended up being a supervillain but there are lots of conveniences like that.
I thought it was a pretty fun film. There were a number of things that made me roll my eyes a bit but damn, people expect way too much.
Every character must be just as I know them in the comic and well fleshed-out. They introduced a villain and killed him in the same movie, what kind of cheap bullshit is that!? I mean, there was no reason that that character ought to live, it would only be completely anti-climatic but, fuck Sam Raimi, I like him!
Overall I liked it. I went to enjoy a movie, I enjoyed a movie.
I agree with that. It was strangely beautiful.
My two cents on the film are that up to the Jazz Club Shenanigans I was generally enjoying the film. It was easily on par with the second one and bar a few minor flaws which have already been discussed (Symbiote origin etc.) the film was good.
However, I did feel a marked change in the atmosphere of the theatre I was in as the emo/confident Peter Parker stuff dragged on. People began to look around nervously and laugh in high pitches. I would have happily seen that bit slimmed down in favour of an extra ten minutes or so of Venom Action (He could be sitting in a chair clipping his toenails for all I care)
All in all an okay film but I just pray they dont make a fourth one with different actors!
Thought it was good. The action scenes where fucking amazing, in particular the saving of Gwen and the last tag team battle. The story was okay, though it did feel like they where trying to do to much. And MJ came off as really petty and selfish in the first half of the flick.
"Oh Peter, you just can't understand how I feel, what with me getting a bad review and fired from a play."
"Uh, have you looked at a Daily Bugle in the last 2 years? And you got fired, big whup, I nearly die all the damn time, don't see me bitching about it, do you?" (well, not anymore...)
I agree - that initial scene with Sandman was great. Very well done. Overall though, I felt really disappointed with the movie. I think it would have been a great movie if
That whole section of the movie was just a bit too much cheese for me and ruined the film for me.
But was it just me or
Other than that I thought it was a good movie, but not on par with the first film. The singing and the dancing felt really out of place but what ever. Was a fun film.
I don't know if Venom/Brock is really dead, as it didn't seem too conclusive to me, but either way, oh well. I had a good time, and Venom was done pretty well, considering his original origins.
What the fuck.
Why do they never give him any fucking good lines?
God, yes. I wish Sandman would have gotten more attention; could have drastically improved the movie. Overall I thought it was a pretty good movie. Amazing action scenes, an excellent first half, and Spidey acting like a gigantic asshole was easily worth my money. Seriously, watching Peter trying, and failing, to be a gigantic, cocky douche was hilarious. The cookie scene with Ursula (who looked strangely hotter in this movie) was a thing of beauty. Actually, they should have just had another thirty minutes of Harry eating pie while doing giant, crazy smiles, and Peter ordering russian girls to bake him cookies.
I do wish they'd have only focused on one or two villains for the movie, cut deus ex butler and Gwen Stacy, and added a little exposition where needed (fleshing out Harry's motivations better, explaining why the sand test was being done at night), but all in all it was a good film.
Oh, and 4th Letter has a pretty good little article about the Spidey novelization, and how it fills in some of the holes in the movie. It's worth a read to see how much better the movie could have been with a few little tweaks.
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At the end of each showing I've attended, people have always been outside talking about the cheesy moments, how they made the movie bad, and how the second was so much better. It's ridiculous. Sure, there was some cheese here, but both the first and second were pretty much corndog city. If people are going to dislike the movie, I don't think they're doing it for the right reasons.
Yeah, I have to wonder if people have forgotten
-Peter webbing a lunch tray, and nobody really saying anything
-triple backflip in a high school fight
-Macho Man Randy Bonesaw
-Macy Gray
-the New York Patriotism Squad fending off Green Goblin
-Rain Drops Keep Fallin' On My Head montage
and so on. It seems like everyone's forgotten that the previous movies were just as heavy on the cheese.
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Yeah. I mean, this is Sam fucking Raimi we're talking about. I generally liked the movie because it didn't take itself super seriously.
I do wish Spidey would crack a joke once in awhile, and that movie venom would have shared a single characteristic with non-movie venom, but other than that, tis alright in my book.
Also: Big Willam Dafoe painting was creeeeeeeeepy.
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I loved how it was him in the chair, right next to his chair.
Very Mr. Burns.
The way people in D&D were ragging on it, I thought I was the only one who liked that scene. I agree completely; it just seemed fun in a really natural way.
It's like they were just filming and James was all "There's a dance scene? What, is Tobey gonna do the twist?"
And they saw he could do the twist and thought "...This might be fun."
If you didn't enjoy the movie, its your perogative, but I feel sorry for you. While some things could have been done better, I think the main things (symbiote origin, symbiote effects on Peter, etc) were done well. I think all the charecters came across as human and fleshed out, and Venom was really fucking creepy. Reason I don't think the charecter is "dead" is how Brock admitted to liking the symbiote. I figure that its just setting the stage for Maximum Carnage myself, but we'll see.
Anyway, FF4 trailer: Thumbs up or down?