I vote in favor of the active proposition, if you will
This is something that needs clarifying.
Earlier, I may have made it look like propositions are numbered. They are not. A number is only assigned when a proposal has been approved. Only when the first NEW RULE is successfully approved will number 301 be assigned.
103. A rule-change is any of the following: (1) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of a mutable rule; (2) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of an amendment of a mutable rule; or (3) the transmutation of an immutable rule into a mutable rule or vice versa.
(Note: This definition implies that, at least initially, all new rules are mutable; immutable rules, as long as they are immutable, may not be amended or repealed; mutable rules, as long as they are mutable, may be amended or repealed; any rule of any status may be transmuted; no rule is absolutely immune to change.)
103. A rule-change is any of the following: (1) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of a mutable rule; (2) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of an amendment of a mutable rule; or (3) the transmutation of an immutable rule into a mutable rule or vice versa.
(Note: This definition implies that, at least initially, all new rules are mutable; immutable rules, as long as they are immutable, may not be amended or repealed; mutable rules, as long as they are mutable, may be amended or repealed; any rule of any status may be transmuted; no rule is absolutely immune to change.)
so what happens when someone is like "I MAKE AN IMMUTABLE RULE THAT I"M THE WINNARRRR!!!!!!!111!!!!!"
Dude, I understand that you're probably joking here, and that's cool. But if you are genuinely interested in answers to questions like that, read the rules.
First, a rule only becomes a rule when it is approved by vote; people would be unlikely to approve a "i win olol" rule. Second, all rules are mutable upon creation, unless a rule has been enacted that changes that. Third and last, even immutable rules can be changed, although it would take at least two turns to do it; it can be changed from immutable to mutable, and then, once mutable, altered or removed entirely.
103. A rule-change is any of the following: (1) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of a mutable rule; (2) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of an amendment of a mutable rule; or (3) the transmutation of an immutable rule into a mutable rule or vice versa.
(Note: This definition implies that, at least initially, all new rules are mutable; immutable rules, as long as they are immutable, may not be amended or repealed; mutable rules, as long as they are mutable, may be amended or repealed; any rule of any status may be transmuted; no rule is absolutely immune to change.)
so what happens when someone is like "I MAKE AN IMMUTABLE RULE THAT I"M THE WINNARRRR!!!!!!!111!!!!!"
Dude, I understand that you're probably joking here, and that's cool. But if you are genuinely interested in answers to questions like that, read the rules.
First, a rule only becomes a rule when it is approved by vote; people would be unlikely to approve a "i win olol" rule. Second, all rules are mutable upon creation, unless a rule has been enacted that changes that. Third and last, even immutable rules can be changed, although it would take at least two turns to do it; it can be changed from immutable to mutable, and then, once mutable, altered or removed entirely.
Wow, I didn't even notice that. I just wanted to mutable so it was changeable. Well, I now vote in favor of the new (amended) rule.
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I should be, like, pm-ing people and forming alliances and whatnot, but frankly I'm not sure that would work in the end. I wouldn't even know how to use my alliance to my advantage. I'd probably end up voting for a measure that says "Monkeybomb always loses."
ok, so I am starting to get the hang of the politics that this game brings about. You can threaten to not vote for any of the other player's propositions if they vote against you.
Yes, but after the first round is over, you get points if you vote against a proposition that passes.
I don't get that. Voting against a proposition that passes earns you points, and causing a proposition to fail costs them points? Why would you vote in favor of anyone?
Because the only way to really guarantee a win is to form alliances. If everyone votes against a proposition, it fails. If it fails, no one gets points.
Also, I once played in a game where the winners changed the rules so that their whole alliance won, rather than just one person.
Votes should be cast based on whether or not you want a proposition to be passed, not because the system arbitrarily rewards you with points for taking a contrary position.
First, how are we designating "mutable" and "immutable" among the newly-adopted rules? I'm not sure I understand how the 100 and 200 series of rules will interact with the 300 series and what the purpose of those numbers really is.
I vote in favor of the active proposition, if you will
This is something that needs clarifying.
Earlier, I may have made it look like propositions are numbered. They are not. A number is only assigned when a proposal has been approved. Only when the first NEW RULE is successfully approved will number 301 be assigned.
I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation of the rules, even if they are your own rules. It looks like the props are supposed to be numbered when they are initially brought up. Might I suggest for clarity's sake that when proposing a change, new rule, etc. we all list the proposed item number, even if the assignment is not official?
This can be an official amendment later, but for now perhaps we can have a gentleman's agreement about it?
Monkeybomb, you are right. There is no rule saying that they cannot be numbered as proposals.
On the other hand, that would get confusing, since not all proposals pass, and those that do are assigned numbers based on the order in which they were adopted. Points and primacy of rules are determined by this number.
I just want to avoid a situation where you have three proposals that share the same number, before one actually takes it officially.
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Earlier, I may have made it look like propositions are numbered. They are not. A number is only assigned when a proposal has been approved. Only when the first NEW RULE is successfully approved will number 301 be assigned.
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I vote in favor of the active proposition.
you really should have thought about this before you started though
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If you would like to change your vote, in light of this, please clearly state so in the thread
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When was a rule enacted that changes that?
I was hoping that someone in the game would notice that the rule was illegal during the debate period, but as it happens, it was someone else.
Regardless, a legit rule-change has now been proposed, via a change from immutable to mutable.
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But they wouldn't be valid in most circumstances.
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That rule would have accomplished nothing had it been approved.
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I've already got a neat thing for my first prop, but I'm sure it will change by the time my turn rolls around.
In fact, this sounds like something that requires a Judgment.
But there's nobody preceding you, because you made the first move, so nobody to be the judge.
So the game cannot continue.
So you win, because you were the first person to be unable to complete a turn.
Cheater.
Lime and stuff.
The proposition passes.
As the active player, I receive 10 points ( (301-291) x (14/14) ).
It is now Zek's turn. He has until this time tomorrow to post his proposition.
Good first round, guys!
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Not an alliance, and probably burning a bridge, but there you go!
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I don't get that. Voting against a proposition that passes earns you points, and causing a proposition to fail costs them points? Why would you vote in favor of anyone?
Also, I once played in a game where the winners changed the rules so that their whole alliance won, rather than just one person.
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Votes should be cast based on whether or not you want a proposition to be passed, not because the system arbitrarily rewards you with points for taking a contrary position.
On the other hand, rewards for negative votes can make the game more interesting.
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First, how are we designating "mutable" and "immutable" among the newly-adopted rules? I'm not sure I understand how the 100 and 200 series of rules will interact with the 300 series and what the purpose of those numbers really is.
Second,
I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation of the rules, even if they are your own rules. It looks like the props are supposed to be numbered when they are initially brought up. Might I suggest for clarity's sake that when proposing a change, new rule, etc. we all list the proposed item number, even if the assignment is not official?
This can be an official amendment later, but for now perhaps we can have a gentleman's agreement about it?
On the other hand, that would get confusing, since not all proposals pass, and those that do are assigned numbers based on the order in which they were adopted. Points and primacy of rules are determined by this number.
I just want to avoid a situation where you have three proposals that share the same number, before one actually takes it officially.
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