I usually use just a black solid round at about 2-3px with size and opacity set to pressure sensitivity.
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BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
Would that Bargue book be good for someone who's significantly less experienced than WCK?
I'm kind of fed up that I haven't made any art progress with my creative work in the past year, all I do right now is graphic design.
I want to do some studies to start building up my core skills, but I'm not sure if Bargue would be too advanced for me.
I wish I had some good traditional media pieces to show you, but I don't have much that's recent. Here's the last digital piece I worked on (around April or so):
and here's a piece that's about a year old, but I suppose one of my better traditional media drawings:
Would that Bargue book be good for someone who's significantly less experienced than WCK?
As I understand it, in many Ateliers Bargue plates are used by first year students, but they are usually working under the guidance of experience instructors.
You could probably do one and it would probably teach you a lot, but you might have to recalibrate your expectations and make sure you understand what kind of self-discipline and time doing a proper Bargue study involves if you've never worked that meticulously before. (Lots of both)
Yeah, as Scos said the only thing particularly advanced about doing Bargue studies is the mindset. One of two things will happen if you try to do one. You will either do a great job and really develop the patience necessary to learn to draw well, or you will be a lazy fuck and do a shit job but call it quits because you don't feel like working on it anymore.
Really, it's almost as much to teach you about your own drive to learn to be a proficient artist as it is about developing observational skills.
The_Glad_HatterOne Sly FoxUnderneath a Groovy HatRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
Rolo, i think some of the basic drawing / anatomy books mentioned in the OP for the Questions thread would serve you better than a long study. i'f you try to copy a study afterwards, you'll find that you have a better understanding of what you're copying and that will make it more of a learning experience.
i'm going back to the basics right now (drawing-wise) and i find that stuff you learn there pops up everywhere in what you're drawing. Creative or copying.
So quick question for people who use photoshop, if anyone is, for sketches. Is there a decent pencil-like brush to use? If I use the default pencil, it doesn't give me any pressure options with my tablet, and is just a consistent width black line. I can't find any brushes that are similar to a pencil though.
I use a small round with a barely feathered edge, and set the color to dark grey instead of black.
I really enjoy sketching in dark grey more than I do in black, I'm not sure why.
Been working on loads of long/intense pencil studies lately, so decided to do a oil study to break things up a little. My mobile takes shitty photos so soz for the bad quality
So quick question for people who use photoshop, if anyone is, for sketches. Is there a decent pencil-like brush to use? If I use the default pencil, it doesn't give me any pressure options with my tablet, and is just a consistent width black line. I can't find any brushes that are similar to a pencil though.
use a brush, not a pencil
regular hard round brush, spacing at 4%, opacity set to tablet pressure, and flow turned down to 50%
This is a design i drew up last night. I came up with the name cardiac unrest a while ago after i drew that little heart thingy and i've been using it as a kind of placeholder for band names or clothing brands in my t-shirt designs.
Been working on loads of long/intense pencil studies lately, so decided to do a oil study to break things up a little. My mobile takes shitty photos so soz for the bad quality
The teeth and mandible are a little problematic I think, too bright and slightly malformed, respectively.
That said, I think this is probably the most successful oil painting I've ever seen you do. I encourage you to keep doing studies with a restricted palette.
honestly id like to see you do some stuff without any color or shading at all, so you can focus on the structure of it
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e: laptop screen why have you betrayed me ahhhhh the colors didnt look like that before ;.;
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Muse Among MenSuburban Bunny Princess?Its time for a new shtick Registered Userregular
edited September 2010
@ Tam: I think you need some more saturated colors in your sword-lady drawing, it is looking a bit too grey. The neck looks like it is held too far back as well. Buttstorm and Mr. Robot looks great though. In fact, buttstorm is excellent. It is a buttstorm afterall.
@ Rolo: in your first one the man seems to have a very shallow cranium, it should be deeper, extend farther past the ears. I think I would expect to see some intense highlights on the lower part of his robe too; just a touch along the edges
@ Iruka: those are some goddamn pretty moths. Are they really that brightly colored?
Hmm, anywho, personal conundrum in regards to a color pallet:
On the one hand, it is much better than the original pallet I'd created. On the other, I am iffy on the saturation levels. That red blob you see was a blend-test; I've applied and blended the base, light source, and shadow colors. The red is obviously quite saturated; the yellow light source is less saturated than the red (and of lower value obviously) but is of a higher saturation than the shadow color. The shadow color is both darker in value and lower in saturation than the red and yellow light source. What I am unsure about is the colors between the red, yellow, and shadow color. The color between the red and yellow is looking too desaturated, and the color between the red and shadow color is also looking too desaturated.
@ Tam: I think you need some more saturated colors in your sword-lady drawing, it is looking a bit too grey. The neck looks like it is held too far back as well. Buttstorm and Mr. Robot looks great though. In fact, buttstorm is excellent. It is a buttstorm afterall.
@ Tam: I think you need some more saturated colors in your sword-lady drawing, it is looking a bit too grey. The neck looks like it is held too far back as well. Buttstorm and Mr. Robot looks great though. In fact, buttstorm is excellent. It is a buttstorm afterall.
Muse, whats the color scheme for? I feel like pallets like this are kinda limiting if you are just sort of painting, I prefer color picking in the moment. I played with it a bit and made a sorta scale. Everything I do is pretty saturated though, so its more of an opinion. Just as a note, I wouldn't let PS think for you when it comes to color blending. If you are picking two colors that should come together and make a nice, deep purple, go ahead and dick around with the color pallet and try and find it.
on the moths, the Spiney Oak Moth is way more brown and the Warm Chevroned Moth is also alittle more dull, but I punched up the colors for fun.
Muse Among MenSuburban Bunny Princess?Its time for a new shtick Registered Userregular
edited September 2010
The color scheme is going to be for something super-nerdy, a Spiderman costume will be involved. I really do like using purple for shading red (personally, a red item's shadows seem to typically have blue tones), but went with the brown for the example's shadow because blue in general seems to have brown tones in its shadows. At least, it looks that way to me. So I uh, mixed the 'matching' colors, so smart -_-.
Also, gosh your pallet looks so much more organized than mine. I wasn't sure how to go about constructing it aside from being a mock-up with enough room for me to scribble notes on; yours is so much nicer and organized. I hope you don't mind but I am right-click/saving that so I can better create pallets in the future.
No problem, Glad it helped in some way, even if it wasn't what you were looking for. Generally I'd just suggest getting the colors in some sort of spectrum, because you want to see all the colors working together pleasantly. But its certainly not the only way.
I dunno, I find it hard to comment on a color scheme divorced from any sort of context.
It's like passing a gear to someone across the dinner table and saying, "do you think this will work?". What they're going to say is, "Well, what's it for? What is its function? How is it supposed to work in conjunction with the rest of whatever it is it's supposed to go in?" Only with those questions answered, can a useful reply be made to the original question.
Same is true here- What's the mood you're going for? Is it interior or exterior? Natural light or artificial? What are the local colors at play versus the global lighting colors? Is it intended to be bold and cartoony, or more desaturated and realistic? How do you plan on using the colors in a compositional sense? Without knowing these things, it's difficult to say whether or not you're looking at a successful color scheme or not- it may be or may not be, because I don't have what I need to see if it's actually working or not.
What would be more useful- both to yourself and us trying to give feedback, is to rough out some quick color comps. No details, just throwing out ideas on what works the best for the intended mood, like this:
For this and this, respectively.
The benefit to doing this is you get information that wouldn't be obvious if you took the colors purely by themselves. For example, on the last 4 comps, any one of those schemes could work, if all I wanted was to make a nice looking picture, but they all say different things.
The two on the right work as analogous colors, but the top one is too lit up to be properly creepy and the second one is too open and airy to be menacing as well. The one on the top right, taken just in terms of colors used, I like the best, because I generally dig the orange/blue complimentary color scheme, and kinda dug the sterile environs contrasted against the big blotch of color in the middle, but it didn't fit the "make it HELL!" direction I needed to shoot for. The last one is interesting because it's got colors that taken by themselves I would have been like, 'ew, gross', but it works because it is a little bit disturbing and disharmonious, and get the claustrophobic, disturbing mood across better than the others, so that's what I went with for the final. If I'd tried to predetermine what my colors would have been out of context, I'd never have gotten the colors to be what they needed to be to get that effect.
Muse Among MenSuburban Bunny Princess?Its time for a new shtick Registered Userregular
edited September 2010
I could probably manage a color mockup tomorrow morning. The general idea is for the piece to resemble a comic book cover (an all too elaborate joke haha); the emphasis is on the character.
And gosh the forums are mighty buggy tonight. How odd.
Bacon - Just wondering, how long would you spend doing colour studies like those? They look really good.
Scos - thanks for the comment. I think it was more successful because i wasnt aiming for anything that was beyond my skills. I'll definately do some more of these over the weekend.
BTW my colour palette consisted of
Burnt Sienna
Burnt Umber
Ultramarine Blue
Yellow Ochre
White
SarksusATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
Wakkawa, that is the most three dimensional looking thing I've seen you draw.
(I stalk you in the doodle thread)
The leg, the breast on her left, and the cloth are fantastic. Her right breast looks a little odd with the shadow at the top. I see that she's curling her toes but the three at the top are so tight that they look amputated :<
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I'm kind of fed up that I haven't made any art progress with my creative work in the past year, all I do right now is graphic design.
I want to do some studies to start building up my core skills, but I'm not sure if Bargue would be too advanced for me.
I wish I had some good traditional media pieces to show you, but I don't have much that's recent. Here's the last digital piece I worked on (around April or so):
and here's a piece that's about a year old, but I suppose one of my better traditional media drawings:
As I understand it, in many Ateliers Bargue plates are used by first year students, but they are usually working under the guidance of experience instructors.
You could probably do one and it would probably teach you a lot, but you might have to recalibrate your expectations and make sure you understand what kind of self-discipline and time doing a proper Bargue study involves if you've never worked that meticulously before. (Lots of both)
moths.
Really, it's almost as much to teach you about your own drive to learn to be a proficient artist as it is about developing observational skills.
i'm going back to the basics right now (drawing-wise) and i find that stuff you learn there pops up everywhere in what you're drawing. Creative or copying.
I use a small round with a barely feathered edge, and set the color to dark grey instead of black.
I really enjoy sketching in dark grey more than I do in black, I'm not sure why.
Been working on loads of long/intense pencil studies lately, so decided to do a oil study to break things up a little. My mobile takes shitty photos so soz for the bad quality
use a brush, not a pencil
regular hard round brush, spacing at 4%, opacity set to tablet pressure, and flow turned down to 50%
or get SketchbookPro
This is a design i drew up last night. I came up with the name cardiac unrest a while ago after i drew that little heart thingy and i've been using it as a kind of placeholder for band names or clothing brands in my t-shirt designs.
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The teeth and mandible are a little problematic I think, too bright and slightly malformed, respectively.
That said, I think this is probably the most successful oil painting I've ever seen you do. I encourage you to keep doing studies with a restricted palette.
honestly id like to see you do some stuff without any color or shading at all, so you can focus on the structure of it
somethin noo
e: laptop screen why have you betrayed me ahhhhh the colors didnt look like that before ;.;
@ Rolo: in your first one the man seems to have a very shallow cranium, it should be deeper, extend farther past the ears. I think I would expect to see some intense highlights on the lower part of his robe too; just a touch along the edges
@ Iruka: those are some goddamn pretty moths. Are they really that brightly colored?
Hmm, anywho, personal conundrum in regards to a color pallet:
On the one hand, it is much better than the original pallet I'd created. On the other, I am iffy on the saturation levels. That red blob you see was a blend-test; I've applied and blended the base, light source, and shadow colors. The red is obviously quite saturated; the yellow light source is less saturated than the red (and of lower value obviously) but is of a higher saturation than the shadow color. The shadow color is both darker in value and lower in saturation than the red and yellow light source. What I am unsure about is the colors between the red, yellow, and shadow color. The color between the red and yellow is looking too desaturated, and the color between the red and shadow color is also looking too desaturated.
I think this one is better but I am not sure
I can provide the HSV/RGB codes if that helps.
Also; damn I love warm lighting :9
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yeah tam, jeez. you better shape up.
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I've been playing a lot of Seiken Densetsu 3
on the moths, the Spiney Oak Moth is way more brown and the Warm Chevroned Moth is also alittle more dull, but I punched up the colors for fun.
I love me some Seiken Densetsu 3
It's supremely fun and gorgeous
Also, gosh your pallet looks so much more organized than mine. I wasn't sure how to go about constructing it aside from being a mock-up with enough room for me to scribble notes on; yours is so much nicer and organized. I hope you don't mind but I am right-click/saving that so I can better create pallets in the future.
It's like passing a gear to someone across the dinner table and saying, "do you think this will work?". What they're going to say is, "Well, what's it for? What is its function? How is it supposed to work in conjunction with the rest of whatever it is it's supposed to go in?" Only with those questions answered, can a useful reply be made to the original question.
Same is true here- What's the mood you're going for? Is it interior or exterior? Natural light or artificial? What are the local colors at play versus the global lighting colors? Is it intended to be bold and cartoony, or more desaturated and realistic? How do you plan on using the colors in a compositional sense? Without knowing these things, it's difficult to say whether or not you're looking at a successful color scheme or not- it may be or may not be, because I don't have what I need to see if it's actually working or not.
What would be more useful- both to yourself and us trying to give feedback, is to rough out some quick color comps. No details, just throwing out ideas on what works the best for the intended mood, like this:
For this and this, respectively.
The benefit to doing this is you get information that wouldn't be obvious if you took the colors purely by themselves. For example, on the last 4 comps, any one of those schemes could work, if all I wanted was to make a nice looking picture, but they all say different things.
The two on the right work as analogous colors, but the top one is too lit up to be properly creepy and the second one is too open and airy to be menacing as well. The one on the top right, taken just in terms of colors used, I like the best, because I generally dig the orange/blue complimentary color scheme, and kinda dug the sterile environs contrasted against the big blotch of color in the middle, but it didn't fit the "make it HELL!" direction I needed to shoot for. The last one is interesting because it's got colors that taken by themselves I would have been like, 'ew, gross', but it works because it is a little bit disturbing and disharmonious, and get the claustrophobic, disturbing mood across better than the others, so that's what I went with for the final. If I'd tried to predetermine what my colors would have been out of context, I'd never have gotten the colors to be what they needed to be to get that effect.
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And gosh the forums are mighty buggy tonight. How odd.
Scos - thanks for the comment. I think it was more successful because i wasnt aiming for anything that was beyond my skills. I'll definately do some more of these over the weekend.
BTW my colour palette consisted of
Burnt Sienna
Burnt Umber
Ultramarine Blue
Yellow Ochre
White
Dont think ill finish it but just some anatomy/form practice
(I stalk you in the doodle thread)
The leg, the breast on her left, and the cloth are fantastic. Her right breast looks a little odd with the shadow at the top. I see that she's curling her toes but the three at the top are so tight that they look amputated :<
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all that's left is the hand and some background details, i guess
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Yes, I was thinking the exact same thing. Great job Wak.
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