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Can someone who has been playing Seven talk about the crafting system? I want to know how it works. Like do you collect items and see an NPC who will craft / upgrade with specific formulas, or do you have to find out the formulas yourself, or what?
Vendors know some formulas, which you learn when you look at the list. Basically you just collect up enough monster drops and junk and pay a small fee to have the thing crafted.
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Is it the main system of getting items (or the good times)?
No, you can avoid synthing anything. The weapons you can make really only exist to learn new skills. Armor is just whatever. They're never much better than what you can buy. There's also a quest to make some medicines and that quest looks to be a pain in the ass. It seems to require a bunch of rare seeds and I'm short by like four for each one.
Oh. Damn. I was not expecting that for a plot twist. Huh. Well you surprised me game, you were pretty cliche up to this point and this was still kind of cliche, but I wasn't expecting it.
Generally speaking, the Ys games don't relate too much, Adol's usually getting shipwrecked in some new corner of the world, but according to Gilder's spoiler, they're at least slightly related.
Napishtim was awesome, though, you should beat it.
Generally speaking, the Ys games don't relate too much, Adol's usually getting shipwrecked in some new corner of the world, but according to Gilder's spoiler, they're at least slightly related.
Napishtim was awesome, though, you should beat it.
I did get really far and I have it on the PSP. And I'm sick. Maybe I'll lie in bed and play through it today.
I decided to just buy it as a dl title, playing through it now. I have to say, I like the translation. Dogi keeps ribbing Adol about his luck with boats, he swears where appropriate, and in general the text flows well. Someone mentioned in the thread earlier that you can't skip in engine cutscenes, but if you hold down Circle you'll see a >> in the corner showing that you're fast-forwarding through the animations and dialog.
Comparisons to Napishtim and Oath - I do kinda miss the jump button, but the dash/dodge makes up for it. Enemies drop a lot of items, which seems like kind of a hassle to pick up, but the AI is pretty good about scooping up anything in reach. The multi-character party works really well - even at low health they're good at staying alive, and switching is pretty easy. If there is any fault in the system, I kinda wish that when you switched active characters, they switch positions. Sometimes when the camera jumps from one to the other, I have to refocus. But that's very minor, and I'm sure I'll get used to it.
Edit: Also, I suspect Ocean Group may be behind the voice acting. Adol sounds suspiciously like Megaman.
Edit 2: There are some pretty good jokes in here, too. Nothing like the in-your-face pop-culture of the lat 90's Working Designs translations, but there's a guy at the bar who says something like "That girl in the town center selling flowers sure is pretty. What was her name again? Eris? Arith?"
I have finished the game. Goddamn. Goddamn this game was good. I had so much fun playing it. The only problems are mission 7 and that if you want the best equipment on everybody you are going to grind so much. You need 450 soul stones (last dungeon only item) just for the weapons, and then about another 100 for the armors. Plus you'll need 60 titano spines which are incredibly rare, I only got 20 of them naturally and 20 through a treasure chest. Aside from that though I loved this game. I'll start Napishtim soon as well.
Oh and by the way, the computer can't die from what I could tell. They always got knocked down to 1 HP. The only time they might die is if they get frozen or petrified.
Edit: Oh and I forgot that the 3rd altar boss sucks. He's way harder than any of the other bosses, because for that point in the game he has too much health. Later on you take out 80k like it's nothing, but 30k at that point is just too much with his defense. One or the other needed to go.
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You can choose whatever party setup you want once you have more than 3 characters. I kept Adol in there just because but you didn't seem to have to.
I just got the bow girl in my party, and her voice is really annoying. I'd rather have Elk in my party but I can't seem to change it. I assume that you mean at some point you have more than 3 characters with you and you can select who you want.
Also, while looking through the options, I thought it was pretty funny that they gave you the option to turn off just Adol's voice, since the game makes so much of him not having any dialogue.
Eventually you'll get a total of 7 characters. Adol can also never be removed from the party except for one section. He's the only one that needs to stay though, and right before the halfway point you're going to open up a bunch of weapon options for him. For the point you're at you can't have Elk because he's not with you anymore. He just decided to stick around in Shannoa. Don't worry though, they didn't create a bunch of characters just so they could fight for one dungeon.
Oh and also if you just got the bow girl then go get quest 7. If you finish the cave you're fucked and you'll forever have a failed quest until you start a new game. There is no NG+ for this so you can't correct it that way.
I never actually tried removing Adol just figured you could so sorry about that mis-information.
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It's kinda funny that Adol is the only serious take of the hero who loves adventure more than women, when I've seen that caricature parodied a bunch across many mediums.
I only tried removing him when I had situations where Elk and Aisha needed a level to catch up or something. I really don't like Adol with a strike weapon and I liked having all 3 attack types at once.
Also, there's not a whole lot of girls falling for Adol in this. There's like two? Maybe? Just Aisha and Tia, but Aisha not really and Tia.... she's got her own thing going on between her and her CHILDHOOD FRIEND.
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Adol has no time for women when there's worlds to save.
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Edit: Oh and I forgot that the 3rd altar boss sucks. He's way harder than any of the other bosses, because for that point in the game he has too much health. Later on you take out 80k like it's nothing, but 30k at that point is just too much with his defense. One or the other needed to go.
Fuck me, you're not kidding. When it took a full minute to whittle off about 2k I just put the PSP in sleep mode, because tomorrow I'm clearly going to have to improve my gear and gain some levels.
Edit: Flash Guard? Did the game tell me about this and I just missed it?
The in-game tutorial never teaches you about flash guarding. Just press L while holding R. You'll hold up your shield (Or something else if you're controlling somebody not Adol) with a quick flash. If you get hit while the shield is up you'll block the damage completely and gain a little extra gauge. If you get hit while raising it up I think it counts as a normal hit. However if you get hit while it's going down you're really screwed, because then the attack does double damage. And never, never do flash guards against attacks that stay focused on you. Like any kind of beam attack or slow moving projectile. You'll block one hit, but then get hit immediately afterward and take double damage. Guarding is only for things like smashes, swipes, punches and quick projectiles. Dodge everything else.
Edit: The 3rd altar boss is actually a good test subject for flash guarding. He has a bunch of attacks so you can see what works and what doesn't. If I'm remembering correctly the quick wind blades were good. The normal attacks were good. But things like the electric field? Bad. Very very bad.
I just started playing Napishtim on PS2 recently. That was definitely not the time and place for it. These voices..... wow. Also I really wish Napishtim had a dodge button like 7. I feel like I have to just take almost every hit because all I can do is walk away or jump over them. There's no blocking or dodging or anything.
I made it through all of Ys 7 on normal difficulty without ever using Flash Guard. Don't know about harder difficulties, but dodge got me through everything.
I just started playing Napishtim on PS2 recently. That was definitely not the time and place for it. These voices..... wow. Also I really wish Napishtim had a dodge button like 7. I feel like I have to just take almost every hit because all I can do is walk away or jump over them. There's no blocking or dodging or anything.
I just started playing Napishtim on PS2 recently. That was definitely not the time and place for it. These voices..... wow. Also I really wish Napishtim had a dodge button like 7. I feel like I have to just take almost every hit because all I can do is walk away or jump over them. There's no blocking or dodging or anything.
I just started playing Napishtim on PS2 recently. That was definitely not the time and place for it. These voices..... wow. Also I really wish Napishtim had a dodge button like 7. I feel like I have to just take almost every hit because all I can do is walk away or jump over them. There's no blocking or dodging or anything.
In the options menu there are separate volume sliders for music, sfx, and voice. Just put voice at 0.
But some of the voices are hilariously bad. So I kind of want them. What actually bothers me the most is how the art for characters show up in the dialogue box. Because it seems like what they did was make the full character art a size that they could just crop out the head for. Then when they do the full character portrait they just used the shrunk down art and magnified it by 500%. It looks so blurry and horrible. I know the PS2 is ugly on good TVs, but in games like Disgaea the art looks fine. Not in Napishtim though.
Also how does the dash jump work? Because it seems like I'm doing it wrong as "performing" the dash makes me move at the same speed as I run. But there can't be that many ways to do "Hold a direction after attacking to dash, and then jump."
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Dash jumping is really fiddly in Napishtim. There's like a 1 frame window of opportunity. I think you double tap to dash, but don't hold down the direction - you have to release the direction, and then you have 1 frame to press attack. It's been a while since I played it, but I think that's right.
Ohhh okay. I'll practice that then. I figured whatever they were telling me was wrong. All it says to do is tap a direction after attacking. Kainy I probably will enter the code at least to test it out. But some voices are so hilarious!
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Speaking of awesome Ys music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN3CGAU4Z0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6G_nFcAjDk
Holy shit I'm pumped to play this, even if it's just to hear the music.
Napishtim was awesome, though, you should beat it.
I did get really far and I have it on the PSP. And I'm sick. Maybe I'll lie in bed and play through it today.
Comparisons to Napishtim and Oath - I do kinda miss the jump button, but the dash/dodge makes up for it. Enemies drop a lot of items, which seems like kind of a hassle to pick up, but the AI is pretty good about scooping up anything in reach. The multi-character party works really well - even at low health they're good at staying alive, and switching is pretty easy. If there is any fault in the system, I kinda wish that when you switched active characters, they switch positions. Sometimes when the camera jumps from one to the other, I have to refocus. But that's very minor, and I'm sure I'll get used to it.
Edit: Also, I suspect Ocean Group may be behind the voice acting. Adol sounds suspiciously like Megaman.
Edit 2: There are some pretty good jokes in here, too. Nothing like the in-your-face pop-culture of the lat 90's Working Designs translations, but there's a guy at the bar who says something like "That girl in the town center selling flowers sure is pretty. What was her name again? Eris? Arith?"
Oh and by the way, the computer can't die from what I could tell. They always got knocked down to 1 HP. The only time they might die is if they get frozen or petrified.
Edit: Oh and I forgot that the 3rd altar boss sucks. He's way harder than any of the other bosses, because for that point in the game he has too much health. Later on you take out 80k like it's nothing, but 30k at that point is just too much with his defense. One or the other needed to go.
Ys 3's LE will be $39.99. That, I can do.
I don't need another game right now. I've got enough on my plate.
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I just got the bow girl in my party, and her voice is really annoying. I'd rather have Elk in my party but I can't seem to change it. I assume that you mean at some point you have more than 3 characters with you and you can select who you want.
Also, while looking through the options, I thought it was pretty funny that they gave you the option to turn off just Adol's voice, since the game makes so much of him not having any dialogue.
Oh and also if you just got the bow girl then go get quest 7. If you finish the cave you're fucked and you'll forever have a failed quest until you start a new game. There is no NG+ for this so you can't correct it that way.
Also, there's not a whole lot of girls falling for Adol in this. There's like two? Maybe? Just Aisha and Tia, but Aisha not really and Tia.... she's got her own thing going on between her and her CHILDHOOD FRIEND.
Wait, Ys is a sci-fi setting?
Fuck me, you're not kidding. When it took a full minute to whittle off about 2k I just put the PSP in sleep mode, because tomorrow I'm clearly going to have to improve my gear and gain some levels.
Edit: Flash Guard? Did the game tell me about this and I just missed it?
Edit: The 3rd altar boss is actually a good test subject for flash guarding. He has a bunch of attacks so you can see what works and what doesn't. If I'm remembering correctly the quick wind blades were good. The normal attacks were good. But things like the electric field? Bad. Very very bad.
Enter the Japanese voices "cheat" found here.
It'll make your life much better.
The "dash" jump helps a lot, though.
You'll have to use it with precision to get a lot of the neat items later, and it does function as a dodge moderately well.
In the options menu there are separate volume sliders for music, sfx, and voice. Just put voice at 0.
Also how does the dash jump work? Because it seems like I'm doing it wrong as "performing" the dash makes me move at the same speed as I run. But there can't be that many ways to do "Hold a direction after attacking to dash, and then jump."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzqOqfpOBy8
It's on the PSP version.
Seriously, Gilder, enter the Japanese voices code. The original voices aren't bad at all.