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PAX East 2011 PAX Forum Challenge Coin - ORDERS CLOSED. That's it!
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Edit: Orders for the production run have been completed. No more are being produced. Sorry if you didn't get one! You might want to consider posting in here and asking others if they'd be willing to trade or sell you their coins.
Begin Karmacappa:
<deleted>
See the post for full details.
Here is how it is going to go:
Any orders that were submitted earlier via Paypal are being refunded. If you ordered by credit card, you will not be charged and that order will be cancelled.
Moving ahead. USCC has adjusted their production pipeline in order to ensure that it is possible to get coins by PAX and to make sure shipping is billed appropriately. The other side to this is that coins will be billed at a rate of $4.50 a coin (tax and shipping included). My apologies for quoting the earlier price, I didn't mean to get anyone's hopes up in vain.
US Challenge Coins is ordering the coins produced in lots. It's a little bit more expensive this way, but they're keeping track of stock on hand, and they will be able to receive and ship these out in a very timely manner this way. The coins can be ordered through their site for the next two weeks, but the sooner you order, the sooner you get your coins. If you order two weeks from now, there is no guarantee you will get your coin before PAX. If you order now, Patrick at USCC assures me you WILL get your coin before PAX (barring unforseen circumstances, like a single person ordering 300 coins at once). So to be clear, if you want coins before PAX, get your orders in ASAP. Orders will be shipped in the order they are received.
The coins will be available at http://www.uschallengecoins.com/store/ pax-east?___SID=U (delete the spaces in the URL, I purposely put them in there so search engines won't link that page). There is very little information on that page about the coin itself so that it doesn't get indexed in search engines. It is our real coin though, and this is something USCC set up just for this event. They will be up for 2 weeks, but we can not guarantee that orders placed at the end of that period will arrive before you leave for PAX. USCC accepts VISA, Mastercard, American Express, Discover, Paypal, and Google Checkout from their site.
As soon as there are pictures of the proof coin, these will be posted here. Again, my apologies for any problems we've had so far.
1-28-2011 PROPOSED OBVERSE:
Need comments! How's it look??
2-1-2011 MODIFIED REVERSE:
Let me know what you think below.
Original Post:
Oh no I di'int!
Yes, I did. I created the thread. Firstly, because I need control of the OP. Secondly, because I am intent on doing this. Thirdly, because it's clear to me that we need to discuss this now, as opposed to waiting two months before PAX.
So we PAX forumers made challenge coins for PAX Prime 2010. I organized the event. The result was this:
A sophisticated design for the sophisticated PAX forumer. ;-)
We are intent on doing it again for PAX East 2011. We are also intent on getting another great design.
Right now I am interested in discussing possibilities for the design. My first thought is that on the reverse we will do the following: Completely desecrate the George Washington statue in Boston Public Garden by portraying him from this angle (zoomed in/cropped, of course) with his free hand holding a DS:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PmsaRrt_JBc/S_6CpdLKAPI/AAAAAAAAASI/UfpsCasaBmk/s1600/IMG_1011.JPG
The obverse is open for suggestions. As an initial idea, I am toying with the idea of putting a picture of a bust of a really nerdy person with a neck beard (because PAX is simply not complete without neck beards) from a 30 degree portrait angle, with the words "The Neck Beard" adorning it. I had another idea that I thought to be pretty capital, but I've since lost it. There will be plenty of time to determine what else could be on the coin, though. It is worth mentioning that although I am very partial to the design of the hand holding the DS, it has been done. On the other hand, if we could somehow incorporate it into the obverse design in an appropriate manner, I am not opposed to that either.
Because Northwest Territorial Mint is not set up for taking orders from multiple people, I suggest we go through US Challenge Coins (http://www.uschallengecoins.com/), which has an online store that YOU can order from directly. I hear they do good work. Additionally, their coins are cheap and look better with more options for less money. We will also attempt to go with a better finish this time around, something other than antique brass. Some of their options are outlined here:
http://www.uschallengecoins.com/coin-plating/custom-services/products/challenge-coin-plating
I personally have my eye on antique nickel.
I would also personally like to see George Washington and his horse in 3D:
http://www.uschallengecoins.com/coin-additions/custom-services/products/challenge-coin-additions
Finally, I don't think we'll want to go with anything too extravagant for the edges, and I certainly don't want to go with the reeded edges like we did with the Prime coins. Perhaps we can even put our motto on the outside edging if we feel like spending the extra money.
http://www.uschallengecoins.com/coin-edging/custom-services/products/challenge-coin-edging
Because orders will no longer be taken through me, I would also like to open up discussion on what we should do with whatever funds remain in the Challenge Coin Fund For the Nerdy and Underprivileged, which was established to purchase coins for those of stated financial need.
One of two things can be done: Firstly, we can leave the funds available for their original purpose: To place orders for those of stated financial need. The money is currently in my bank account that I set up for the purpose of challenge coin orders. Whatever is left after NWTM is finished extracting funds from my account can be used to order people coins. However, I will not be asking anyone to donate to replenish the fund. I am done being mediator for coin orders.
The other thing we can do is put the money toward the purchase of the die casting. Such a process is usually expensive. We will not go with this option until it has met mass approval by everyone in the thread. The money was originally earmarked by each person's request for persons of financial need. However, as mentioned, I am a tad weary of managing other people's money. I am willing to exhaust the current funds, but beyond that I will be finished with that.
So let us please discuss the fund as well.
Let us begin discussion of the PAX East 2011 PAX Forum Challenge Coin. If you have suggestions/propositions/mockups for designs, then please contribute your ideas. If you are leaning toward any particular design element that is showcased on USCC's web site above, post about that too.
Begin Karmacappa:
<deleted>
See the post for full details.
Here is how it is going to go:
Any orders that were submitted earlier via Paypal are being refunded. If you ordered by credit card, you will not be charged and that order will be cancelled.
Moving ahead. USCC has adjusted their production pipeline in order to ensure that it is possible to get coins by PAX and to make sure shipping is billed appropriately. The other side to this is that coins will be billed at a rate of $4.50 a coin (tax and shipping included). My apologies for quoting the earlier price, I didn't mean to get anyone's hopes up in vain.
US Challenge Coins is ordering the coins produced in lots. It's a little bit more expensive this way, but they're keeping track of stock on hand, and they will be able to receive and ship these out in a very timely manner this way. The coins can be ordered through their site for the next two weeks, but the sooner you order, the sooner you get your coins. If you order two weeks from now, there is no guarantee you will get your coin before PAX. If you order now, Patrick at USCC assures me you WILL get your coin before PAX (barring unforseen circumstances, like a single person ordering 300 coins at once). So to be clear, if you want coins before PAX, get your orders in ASAP. Orders will be shipped in the order they are received.
The coins will be available at http://www.uschallengecoins.com/store/ pax-east?___SID=U (delete the spaces in the URL, I purposely put them in there so search engines won't link that page). There is very little information on that page about the coin itself so that it doesn't get indexed in search engines. It is our real coin though, and this is something USCC set up just for this event. They will be up for 2 weeks, but we can not guarantee that orders placed at the end of that period will arrive before you leave for PAX. USCC accepts VISA, Mastercard, American Express, Discover, Paypal, and Google Checkout from their site.
As soon as there are pictures of the proof coin, these will be posted here. Again, my apologies for any problems we've had so far.
1-28-2011 PROPOSED OBVERSE:
Need comments! How's it look??
2-1-2011 MODIFIED REVERSE:
Let me know what you think below.
Original Post:
Oh no I di'int!
Yes, I did. I created the thread. Firstly, because I need control of the OP. Secondly, because I am intent on doing this. Thirdly, because it's clear to me that we need to discuss this now, as opposed to waiting two months before PAX.
So we PAX forumers made challenge coins for PAX Prime 2010. I organized the event. The result was this:
A sophisticated design for the sophisticated PAX forumer. ;-)
We are intent on doing it again for PAX East 2011. We are also intent on getting another great design.
Right now I am interested in discussing possibilities for the design. My first thought is that on the reverse we will do the following: Completely desecrate the George Washington statue in Boston Public Garden by portraying him from this angle (zoomed in/cropped, of course) with his free hand holding a DS:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PmsaRrt_JBc/S_6CpdLKAPI/AAAAAAAAASI/UfpsCasaBmk/s1600/IMG_1011.JPG
The obverse is open for suggestions. As an initial idea, I am toying with the idea of putting a picture of a bust of a really nerdy person with a neck beard (because PAX is simply not complete without neck beards) from a 30 degree portrait angle, with the words "The Neck Beard" adorning it. I had another idea that I thought to be pretty capital, but I've since lost it. There will be plenty of time to determine what else could be on the coin, though. It is worth mentioning that although I am very partial to the design of the hand holding the DS, it has been done. On the other hand, if we could somehow incorporate it into the obverse design in an appropriate manner, I am not opposed to that either.
Because Northwest Territorial Mint is not set up for taking orders from multiple people, I suggest we go through US Challenge Coins (http://www.uschallengecoins.com/), which has an online store that YOU can order from directly. I hear they do good work. Additionally, their coins are cheap and look better with more options for less money. We will also attempt to go with a better finish this time around, something other than antique brass. Some of their options are outlined here:
http://www.uschallengecoins.com/coin-plating/custom-services/products/challenge-coin-plating
I personally have my eye on antique nickel.
I would also personally like to see George Washington and his horse in 3D:
http://www.uschallengecoins.com/coin-additions/custom-services/products/challenge-coin-additions
Finally, I don't think we'll want to go with anything too extravagant for the edges, and I certainly don't want to go with the reeded edges like we did with the Prime coins. Perhaps we can even put our motto on the outside edging if we feel like spending the extra money.
http://www.uschallengecoins.com/coin-edging/custom-services/products/challenge-coin-edging
Because orders will no longer be taken through me, I would also like to open up discussion on what we should do with whatever funds remain in the Challenge Coin Fund For the Nerdy and Underprivileged, which was established to purchase coins for those of stated financial need.
One of two things can be done: Firstly, we can leave the funds available for their original purpose: To place orders for those of stated financial need. The money is currently in my bank account that I set up for the purpose of challenge coin orders. Whatever is left after NWTM is finished extracting funds from my account can be used to order people coins. However, I will not be asking anyone to donate to replenish the fund. I am done being mediator for coin orders.
The other thing we can do is put the money toward the purchase of the die casting. Such a process is usually expensive. We will not go with this option until it has met mass approval by everyone in the thread. The money was originally earmarked by each person's request for persons of financial need. However, as mentioned, I am a tad weary of managing other people's money. I am willing to exhaust the current funds, but beyond that I will be finished with that.
So let us please discuss the fund as well.
Let us begin discussion of the PAX East 2011 PAX Forum Challenge Coin. If you have suggestions/propositions/mockups for designs, then please contribute your ideas. If you are leaning toward any particular design element that is showcased on USCC's web site above, post about that too.
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Because this is a community coin and they will be posted for sale, the following imagery is not authorized for use by the powers that be:
The PAX/PAX East logo (although the text "PAX", "PAX East", and "Penny Arcade Expo" are okay)
Depictions of Gabe, Tycho and/or other Penny Arcade characters or artwork.
All that said, I still stand by that somebody should create a PAX Community logo or crest to be used on one side., as this is as much a community endeavor as it is anything.
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We had video games for the Prime coin - perhaps we should emphasize a different facet for the next games? I'm not a tabletop gamer, but a D20 would be a great symbol, as would a classic joystick.
I have to agree that if we go with one of the statues, Paul Revere is the better choice as he does seem more "Boston" to me than George Washington.
That being said, I more strongly favor something other than the hand holding the DS. I'm for a d20 being the gaming item on this one.
The Zakim Bridge isn't really widely known, so I don't think it would be a good representation for the coin.
As someone mentioned, Paul Revere is also a good idea with the Old North Church in the background, perhaps even with 2 lanterns in it.
Onmitsu: The Constitution is a symbol of Boston, and although our coins' designs are inspired by military challenge coins, this is not a military challenge coin. Just be careful not to make the imagery too militaristic.
Moe: I am all in favor of someone producing a PAX community logo. Such an endeavor is going to need to go through a long development process that most people will be able to agree on. Such a thing is difficult to do, as you need to select simple, uncluttered imagery that shouts PAX Community. This is made difficult since we don't really have much in the way of imagery. But I agree that this is something that should be done at some point. If a design expert would like to propose such a thing in this thread, then by all means, do so. We can create a community image along side this coin, and perhaps incorporate the imagery onto the coin.
Or maybe something that somehow incorporates the USS Constitution
How about a DS with an image of a D20 on the screen?
edit: and since this is Boston, what if we changed the "Don't be a dick" translation to Gaelic. Granted, it might be harder to translate than Latin was.
Mmmm, I don't think the USS Constitution (the boat that moe posted the picture of, I'm assuming that's what you meant with constellation) is too militaristic, it's a museum ship nowadays, it's actually really cool if you get the chance to visit. A DS with a d20 on the screen would be neat, but part of the reason I like the boat and dice imagery is it makes it unique from the pax prime coin. Boats feel... voyage/adventure-y to me, and PAX is definitely an adventure!
@ Moe: I looooove the gaelic idea, that'd be an awesome boston touch
I'd avoid using an Irish translation, as it prefers one particular group rather than recognizing that Boston has a history involving many nationalities (British, Irish, Italian, Russians, Germans, French Canadians, etc).
As far as the USS Constitution, it is still a commissioned naval vessel.
The Museum of Science would be my suggestion.
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You're kidding, right Moe?
I'm sure Seattle means a lot of things to a lot of people as well. But the one thing in Seattle that everyone (not just the people who live there) can identify as Seattle imagery is the space needle. Same principal applies to Boston. I don't live there. But the Paul Revere statue is, to a person on the outside looking in, a symbol of the city, something we can all look at and say "Boston." I must say I really am leaning toward this as our reverse imagery unless someone can think of something else. The most likely alternative would be to eschew the imagery of the city entirely and go with something more PAX-specific.
Let's not forget to talk about the obverse as well. How much do you like your neck beards at PAX? Not very much? Perhaps we should use something else...?
The perfect historical analogy.
I am a monster truck that walks like a man.
With a D20 in his outstretched hand!
Also Paul Revere holding a DS would be awesome.
XD XD XD. That would be pretty epic. Put the Paul Revere statue on the coin, and use that to rim the top or bottom. The d20 in the raised hand would also be an epic touch. I think that officially gets my vote for the city-themed side of the coin.
EDIT: Paul Revere holding a giant d20 (similar to the famous shot of Tycho)
I carry my coin in my pocket at all times. It makes a wonderful sound when you flip it, and it's a great conversation starter. I love having a memento of PAX with me wherever I go. Just don't drop it on a hard surface: mine already has a few dents in the side.
The Paul Revere image linked above is fantastic. I'm not married to using Paul Revere/George Washington, exactly, but that specific image has a great angle and composition and is really begging to be defaced.
I don't know about the assertion that Prime is video game centric and East is tabletop centric. I think all games are pretty well represented at both. I do, however, think that the DS was on the Prime coin, and we should toss the spotlight over to one of the other iconic symbols. A d20 is a natural choice.
Honestly, I think having the Latin be the same on all the coins is a good way to tie them all together. It's one of the most prominent undercurrents of PAX. It's in the program. It's in the rules. Now that we've put it on one coin, I think we should keep it on all of them.
One of my favorite things about the Prime coin is how classy it is. There's no cheap, offensive, or weird jokes like neckbeards (sorry, Prinny!) or dickwolves on it. I'm all for offensive jokes, but... not on the coin. I have absolutely no problem pulling it out and showing friends, co-workers, relatives, etc. who might not be in on those kinds of jokes. It's a collectible I'm proud to show off to anyone. So I would be very hesitant to put anything too "out there" on it.
My suggestion:
Front: Paul Revere image from above with nerdy defacements. "Numquam Mentula Es" and "Welcome Home." Pac-Man border optional - we can change that up.
Back: Boston skyline/harbor/churches/something iconic about the city. "PAX East 2011, Boston, Massachusetts, March 11-13"
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I'm also having trouble visualizing the Paul Revere statue such that the D20 is still prominent.
On the front, a hand holding a _____. (D20, Atari controller, etc.)
On the back, a shot of the Boston skyline (Pru, Hancock) with the Charles in the foreground with some sailboats.
While using Paul Revere would be nice, I don't think you'd be able to fully capture it on the back (plus most people wouldn't instantly recognize it, not that most people would recognize the Boston skyline, but that's another story).
That is all.
This is very well put, though I think that the Paul Revere statue is really iconic boston in and of itself, and I'd love to see "The Gamers are Coming" somewhere on that side of the coin. As much as I do love gaelic, now that I dwell on it, the latin tying the coins together is probably for the best. Then again, why not have the statue be the back, the iconic image with "PAX East 2011, Boston, Massachusetts, March 11-13", and the front be a D20 being held up or offered forward? I like the pac-man border, and definitely wouldn't mind seeing it again, but I also like the notion of a wreath of gaming dice, d4, d6, d8, d10, d12 around the d20, or whatever goes in the middle.
Also, @ the Fenway mention... I think that'd probably be about as inappropriate for the con as it gets, even if it is iconic. It's a massive sports symbol, which is about as far removed from the concept for the con as possible, and an incredibly polarizing one. The last thing we need is to bring sports team loyalty/fandom into this.
I love the Paul Revere image with the North Church behind it, I can't think of a better icon for the city of Boston.
I really think the wording shouldn't be changed too much, at least this time. This would be East's first challenge coin, and the idea of it being a sister coin to Prime feels right
But now that I've figured out what you actually linked, man FUCK the blue shell.
Nothing personal, it's a good idea, but I mean... I dunno about anyone else but I hate the blue shell with an intense passion. It's the symbol for everything that's wrong with Mario Kart - punish the guy who's actually doing well at the game. I can't count how many duels have been won/lost based on one guy getting the blue shell and just waiting until 5s before the end of the race and BAM. Cheeeeap.
So anyway,
I Feel the front should remain unchanged. The design is magnificent!
the little pac men and "Welcome Home "...Love it.
using the same design for the front of the East coin would also give a feeling of unity between the two conventions.
As for the back, I like the Idea of Paul Revere's midnight ride.
I think most everyone can associate the image with Boston.
Check out the back for the American Numismatic Association’s 119th anniversary coin.
would work great modified for PAX EAST, though I would remove the rays that surround the moon and the bottom signature for simplicity and added room for text.
http://www.coinnews.net/2010/06/13/paul-reveres-midnight-ride-featured-on-2010-ana-medal/
A few points I'd like to bring up (or at least consolidate):
-The Prime coin had an excellent design, hands down. If we are to emulate it, what changes would people like to make? Rather, how similar do we want this coin to feel to the Prime coin? Is the template solid enough that we could swap out the images for a more Boston centric feel or would we like to overhaul the core design of the coin? Personally, I rather like the current design but given the compressed time frame for Prime, I feel it might not be exactly perfect . We've got time to toss about ideas now!
-What are everyone's thoughts on individual numbering? It seems to be fairly affordable (.10 a piece) and would be a great way to personalize the coins. I've not really fleshed out this idea yet but it was just a thought I had while skimming over USCC's site.
-While the milled edge does feel great on the hands (I'm a very tactile person), I agree that it was kinda superfluous. Hell, even USCC seems to dislike it. I can't really make a case for any sort of edging as it doesn't really add too terribly much to the coin. Granted, I'm not too attached to my anti-edge position so I wouldn't be bothered if someone REALLY wanted one.
-While I realize that the D20 is a great nerd icon, I'm hesitant to suggest it too. The DS was chosen for its connection to the PAX community and not just for its nerd cred. I think we ought to think along those lines for the obverse. (Of course, I did see the thread for the PAX community logo. I think that'd be a winner.)
I'm sure I'll have more to discuss later but that's a good-ish start. I made the mistake of not really getting involved last time as I feared I wouldn't have enough money to actually afford one anyway. Thanks to the generosity everyone who donated to the fund, I was able to get one anyway. I'm totally stoked to see this continue.
One more thing for Zero Hour from the Prime thread:
Consider yourself reminded.
As for the imagery - I am in favor of a D20. Personally, I don't even own a DS, and I spent the majority of my time at PAX:E 2010 playing various D&D games. I think above all, the D20 would serve to differentiate the East coin from the Prime coin.
As far as Paul Revere - I think it's a pretty good start, but I agree with others who are concerned about how it would look on a coin. The Constitution is an excellent choice, I think, hinting at the military background of the challenge coin while also being pretty Bostonian.
I also agree with the sentiment of no neckbeards. Along the same lines, I would avoid "desecrating" a known statue, as you put it, by adding in a DS/D20. The Prime coin wasn't played for laughs - it is a very handsome looking coin. I don't see Godzilla attacking the space needle. The humor of "Don't be a dick" in latin is enough for me. Speaking of which, I'm all for a Gaelic inscription on the East coin. I am not Irish, and I don't find it offensive in the least.
That's awesome.