Yay Paranoia833! It's not that I BELIEVE you, necessarily, but trying to figure out if someone is telling the truth is a lot more interesting that wonder which of a dozen mostly-inactives is a gnome.
Still...I think trading the scope to you before seering would be too much of a risk. If the gnomes get the scope, with our (probable) natural seer dead, I don't like our chances at all. I suggest that whoever has the scope seer Paranoia tonight, and trade NEXT night if he seers as good (let's hope the half-gnome was the only thrall), while the shield owner possibly protects Paranoia.
Why possibly? Well, here's my analysis...who DOES have the shield? I think it's clear that whoever stole the shield on night 1 was a good guy. They targeted Ardor more or less randomly with their thief ability, got the shield, and deduced correctly that Ardor was a good guy. Since Ardor was the only person they knew for sure was good, they protected him. Simple. It's unclear why they didn't PM Ardor, though; it seems like an obvious move. (I'm assuming Ardor is telling the truth. It's not clear that gnomes can target their kills, and even if they could, it's difficult to explain how Ardor could have known that he'd be protected by the shield on only the second night...not enough time for gnomes to acquire the shield unless the gnomes have a thief special.)
So a goodie had the shield last night. There's now three possibilities, as I see it:
1) Serpent had the shield. This is likelier that it would seem, because we know Serpent had the magnet, and therefore had the capability to steal it. This is the worst situation for us, because now the gnomes have the shield. Not much we can do about this case. Let's hope it didn't happen.
2) A goodie still has the shield. Either the same one that had it last night, or stolen by another goodie. In this very likely case, the person with the shield should protect Ardor again, and PM him because he's our only almost-confirmed innocent. If the seer then also talks with Ardor, we have a network.
3) The shield was stolen by a baddie last night. Very unlikely, for the same reason I trust Ardor. Just wanted to be complete.
If you had the shield last night, but it was stolen from you, even if you don't know by whom, you should publically announce it unless you have a reason I don't know about. If multiple people announce, then hey, one is lying and we'll kill you all until the gnome dies.
I do think the shield is of more value on Ardor than on Paranoia because I trust Ardor more. Sorry, Paranoia.
Anyone care to point out flaws in my analysis?
As far as I understand it, no villains got any items. The thieves are all humans, and the gnomes killed one, as well as destroying the magnet.
The plan sounds interesting, and luckily we time to stew this all over. As far as a network goes, it's mutable in this game. Everyone is important to it, as items can be traded back and forth. I like this. It makes everyone equally important.
I say the item holding players need to get in contact with one another, as well as branch out so the items will always be with confirmed innocents.
And as for voting...jdarksun's analysis is pretty good. I'm a bit more suspicious of Mazlo for some reason I can't put my finger on. But splitting votes between Mazlo and visiblehowl is silly when we're trying to beat a silly bandwagon.
I !vote visiblehowl for great justice.
And yes, the Adrien bandwagon is silly. Why would a gnome give obviously bad advice? It's just unnecessarily drawing attention to themselves, and they'll be shouted down by non-stupid good guys anyway. (Yes, I realize this contradicts my bandwagon vote on SnacksOnAPlane yesterday...in my defense, we had only one day to go on, and I'd have changed it if he'd even tried to defend himself).
As far as I understand it, no villains got any items. The thieves are all humans, and the gnomes killed one, as well as destroying the magnet.
It's true that all items started with human, but the way you say "the magnet" makes me think you might have missed that there are three magnets. It's unlikely, but possible, that the gnomes killed a magnet holder round 1, thus taking their magnet, and used it to steal an item round 2. The gnomes might also have an innate thief among them. So having an item is not a guarantee of innocence.
For what it's worth I can most certainly confirm that innate thiefs do indeed exist in this game, though I haven't the slightest idea if there's a gnome with that ability.
You don't have to count this as an active post, but I've been unavailable somewhat unexpectedly for the last day or two. I am getting caught up and will try to post something contructive. Everytime I find something, it's already been answered.
One question someone may be able to answer. Do we know what the Plane-walker's ability was and/or was it tied to the heart-ripping event from the first night?
You don't have to count this as an active post, but I've been unavailable somewhat unexpectedly for the last day or two. I am getting caught up and will try to post something contructive. Everytime I find something, it's already been answered.
One question someone may be able to answer. Do we know what the Plane-walker's ability was and/or was it tied to the heart-ripping event from the first night?
The planewalker's ability supposedly (according to snacks) was that he was immune to gnome kills
Every time you do not vote you make it that much easier for the evil fuckers out there to steer the vote away from one of their own and unto an innocent. Failing to vote you might as well not fucking play as you'll be screwing your team.
I was about ready to retract my vote for you. I didn't want you bandwagoned because it's stupid to bandwagon the active players. I wanted you to think about what you purposed and consider how it may have been flawed and would totally screw the village. I attached my vote because I needed to emphasize it and it's the only emphasis I've got. Now I've seen you're doing the absolute opposite. Great.
Huh, that's an excellent point. I should vote. I'm feeling pretty "steered onto" myself at the moment.
For the non-gnomes in the room, you will note, if you take a shot at reading my so-called "plan", that I raised what I consider some legitimate objections to it. It's scarcely a WIN button, and it does seem even less tenable now than it did at the time. But there you go.
Look, a seer does no good if he can't reveal his target. A vigilante is worthless if he doesn't know who to kill. So far our village kill has hit fewer baddies than the gnomes. Is there any other way, not having any information about the specials, to verify one? I'd love to hear about it.
Grow up and play a balanced Phalla. That you can't trust anybody 100% is pretty much the heart of the Phalla experience. Gnasty got it right and by continuing to look for a "win" button you're putting us in greater risk of being screwed. Networks are great when they're viable, they're viable here but they're nowhere near as good in past games. Given time the seer item holder will likely build up a small network that can heavily influence late game play. Rushing things has a good chance of screwing him up.
Gnasty made it so roles are revealed on death. He's letting us post our role PMs. These mechanics can work for us.
So I don't want to be randomly capped by a gnome and ignore the rest of the game. Stone me. I think it'd be cool for non-specials to be able to play too.
Gnasty made it so roles are revealed on death. He's letting us post our role PMs. These mechanics can work for us.
Has Gnasty actually commented upon the post humus posting of role PMs? Because allowing role PMs to be posted is not the same as allowing Dead People to tell their secrets.
You were an ancient king who made the Caves of Phalla his tomb. Your spirit has rested in peace since you were buried, but the Gnomes’ terrorist attack disturbed your grave and now all you want to do is help one side achieve victory so that you can get back to sleep. Edited for death requirements. Each round you may select one person to kill. Also, if you are ever targeted to be killed, a member of whichever group voted to kill you will be killed in retaliation (so if the Gnomes target you, one of their members will die. If the village votes to kill you, anyone who voted for you has a chance of dieing. The retaliation target is random). Also, if someone targets you with an item, the item will be destroyed and the user of the item will be revealed in the same night's narration; you will also be revealed. If you are targeted by the vote to be killed your role will be revealed in that night’s narration.
Your goal is to ally one side and help them achieve victory.
Unfortunately, I consume hearts as well as dismember people, but I am making a my decision out in the open in the hopes the gnomes target me. All I ask is that the vigilante or any other item user, doesn't use their item on me....I don't want to hurt the good guys!
I don't expect to be let into the netowrk (if there is one >.>) because I can not be confirmed, but if I could get someone to PM me with their ideas of who I should mutilate that night, it would be great. I don't want to accidentally be killing network members.
Okay, well, it's easy enough to test your abilities, if not your loyalties. Assuming you live the night, that is. Just make sure you let us know before the round ends who you wind up targeting.
Unfortunately, I consume hearts as well as dismember people, but I am making a my decision out in the open in the hopes the gnomes target me. All I ask is that the vigilante or any other item user, doesn't use their item on me....I don't want to hurt the good guys!
I don't expect to be let into the netowrk (if there is one >.>) because I can not be confirmed, but if I could get someone to PM me with their ideas of who I should mutilate that night, it would be great. I don't want to accidentally be killing network members.
So uh, sup guys.
Wow. Yeah. Ironic that you'd get that role with your name and avatar. Powers of vengeance? Spectre? Oh man.
You were an ancient king who made the Caves of Phalla his tomb. Your spirit has rested in peace since you were buried, but the Gnomes’ terrorist attack disturbed your grave and now all you want to do is help one side achieve victory so that you can get back to sleep.
Observation the first: That's a very convient, almost Precision K -ish suite of abilities.
Observation the second: Isn't your best plan to help the cultist win, since that would seem to be the quickest route to victory?
Conclusion from the second: Given your indifference to DSDMT's, why the hell should one of our specials contact you, thus letting you know where to find another (and possibly last) race?
Observation the first: That's a very convient, almost Precision K -ish suite of abilities.
Observation the second: Isn't your best plan to help the cultist win, since that would seem to be the quickest route to victory?
Conclusion from the second: Given your indifference to DSDMT's, why the hell should one of our specials contact you, thus letting you know where to find another (and possibly last) race?
I'm kinda meh to the whole deal. Feel free not to contact me, just don't be pissed if I accidentally off one of you. I mean, I did kill 1 gnome so far. I sure as hell am not going to offer my ability up to the village vote, as I am not going to let a gnome or cultist sway who I kill.
Also, there is only 1 cultist left. Why would I want to ally with the person who may be close to victory, but also close to a loss?
I am gonna continue my killings as I see fit, I was just letting you all know that I am on your side and if you guys have any good ideas (the network) on who to kill, I would take it into consideration.
It will take a few days before I can prove myself, since this round has been extended to Monday.
Observation the first: That's a very convient, almost Precision K -ish suite of abilities.
Observation the second: Isn't your best plan to help the cultist win, since that would seem to be the quickest route to victory?
Conclusion from the second: Given your indifference to DSDMT's, why the hell should one of our specials contact you, thus letting you know where to find another (and possibly last) race?
I'm kinda meh to the whole deal. Feel free not to contact me, just don't be pissed if I accidentally off one of you. I mean, I did kill 1 gnome so far. I sure as hell am not going to offer my ability up to the village vote, as I am not going to let a gnome or cultist sway who I kill.
Also, there is only 1 cultist left. Why would I want to ally with the person who may be close to victory, but also close to a loss?
I am gonna continue my killings as I see fit, I was just letting you all know that I am on your side and if you guys have any good ideas (the network) on who to kill, I would take it into consideration.
It will take a few days before I can prove myself, since this round has been extended to Monday.
Rawr and stuff.
Let's form a network. Like old times.
:winky:
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I have a dream. A househord dream. The sun has made a note on his face.
Tommorrow has made a phonecarr to today.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Observation the first: That's a very convient, almost Precision K -ish suite of abilities.
Observation the second: Isn't your best plan to help the cultist win, since that would seem to be the quickest route to victory?
Conclusion from the second: Given your indifference to DSDMT's, why the hell should one of our specials contact you, thus letting you know where to find another (and possibly last) race?
Actually, wouldn't he not want to help the cultist since he has to kill one of every race and all specials count as races (Unless there are multiple wraiths and TehSpectre knows who one other is). His best course of action is the same as ours and the gnomes' right now, kill the last cultist. Or so I would think.
Observation the first: That's a very convient, almost Precision K -ish suite of abilities.
Observation the second: Isn't your best plan to help the cultist win, since that would seem to be the quickest route to victory?
Conclusion from the second: Given your indifference to DSDMT's, why the hell should one of our specials contact you, thus letting you know where to find another (and possibly last) race?
Actually, wouldn't he not want to help the cultist since he has to kill one of every race and all specials count as races (Unless there are multiple wraiths and TehSpectre knows who one other is). His best course of action is the same as ours and the gnomes' right now, kill the last cultist. Or so I would think.
Alright, that is a very good point. I'm not certain if "every special counts as a race", it's just every special we're aware of has been described as a seperate race. I may have placed fluff over game rules in my head since I didn't think of "Ghost=race". If that's true...well I still think the power set is fairly convenient and he's unverifiable. I just don't see how (or why) he'd be able to screw us but I'm still leery.
Eh, it's not really a decision that I have to make in any regard.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
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Someone should designate Thespectre of the magnet as goal.
That is broken, but that story is verified.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Has Gnasty actually commented upon the post humus posting of role PMs? Because allowing role PMs to be posted is not the same as allowing Dead People to tell their secrets.
Don't do that. Snacks shouldn't have posted anything game-related after he died.
Uh, let's see. We killed Squashua for daring to take Phallanoia seriously, we then killed a special since uhm....cause. Now we're all not posting and losing to attrition. Oh, and Spectre is totally pulling a you.
If you want to vote to kill me, go for it. One of the people who votes me to death however, will be killed accordingly, just as if the gnomes try and kill me.
Also, don't try and give me any items (I don't know why you would) as I cannot carry them and it will be RNG'd to someone else.
kthx.
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With regards to the question of killing TehSpectre, I submit this portion of his original post:
...help one side achieve victory so that you can get back to sleep. Edited for death requirements. Each round you may select...
Namely, the bolded portion, which was bolded in the original post, by the way.
Basically, I think a certain series of events has to occur for him to die, which he has very astutely decided not to reveal. As such, I doubt voting for him will kill him. On the other hand, it will at least partially confirm his story.
According to his "PM", it looks like all that has to be done is for him to be targeted for death. Thus, only one person has to vote for him. Since I'm a vanillager, I'll go ahead and !vote TehSpectre for death.
Nobody else vote for him. If I die at the end of the next round, then you'll know he's at least partially telling the truth.
This is, of course, presuming his supposed "ability" works even if he is voted for but doesn't actually end up as the top vote. I don't see what exactly this is going to prove.
Part of the reason I'm thinking this is complete bull is that it just seems a little too good. Essentially being protected against both kills and item uses?
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Also, if someone targets you with an item, the item will be destroyed and the user of the item will be revealed in the same night's narration; you will also be revealed.
Someone should designate Thespectre of the magnet as goal!
That is broken, but that story is verified!
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I have to wonder if TehSpectre just made a grave error. No where on there does it say you won't be killed; it only says you'll retaliate. If you are a last "race", and the last cultist kills you; do they win even though it will result in a retaliatory death?
It also doesn't designate which side you help and if some side jumps to bring you into their network, what's to say you won't jump ship with the info to help another side win faster?
Unfortunately, it's all very useless to us villagers.
Well, I will say that the last time that TS appeared a little too overenthusiastic about helping the good guys and we killed him off, his intentions were true. However, the last time we trusted a neutral he ended up screwing over all of us. That asshole.
Edit: And by the way I just switched to working full time so I will be very bored and probably posting a lot more often now.
I personally am cautious to assume tehspectre is telling us the full truth (minus the death conditions of course) because the whole truth is probably more harmful to himself if he's on our side and he wouldn't want to tell us everything he schemed up because a good lie is always simple, less can go wrong and you get tripped us less etc.
However, if it is true that he can retaliate and say kill someone who targetted him etc, then I would have to say the cultists were screwed to begin this game with because they essentially needed both of them alive when they killed him, or they lose either because they are noted in the narration or because they died, however his power might work.
In my honest opinion, I care more about the cultist dying then trying to figure out whatever Tehspectre is.
If Gnasty gave him the exact win conditions he gave us where he can retaliate, then the cultists had a very good chance of being screwed no matter what happened in this game, plus, their win conditions are contrary to his. I would assume wraith is a type of race in this game.
Tehspectre, you might state what you want out of all this. I'm a human, so I don't mind staking your ass and having you kill me so I can help prevent one more person from dying every round, which coincidentally brings the cultist closer to victory because the chances of hitting him every round are so low. The only reason you would come forward is because you were afraid of dying. With conditions as you have them, it would be more efficient for you to stay quiet to confuse everyone.
!Tehspectre you mentioned you wanted sleep. I offer you a viable alternative.
I have nothing to lose sir, people who believe you fully and do not vote for you, probably have something to lose.
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As far as I understand it, no villains got any items. The thieves are all humans, and the gnomes killed one, as well as destroying the magnet.
The plan sounds interesting, and luckily we time to stew this all over. As far as a network goes, it's mutable in this game. Everyone is important to it, as items can be traded back and forth. I like this. It makes everyone equally important.
I say the item holding players need to get in contact with one another, as well as branch out so the items will always be with confirmed innocents.
I !vote visiblehowl for great justice.
And yes, the Adrien bandwagon is silly. Why would a gnome give obviously bad advice? It's just unnecessarily drawing attention to themselves, and they'll be shouted down by non-stupid good guys anyway. (Yes, I realize this contradicts my bandwagon vote on SnacksOnAPlane yesterday...in my defense, we had only one day to go on, and I'd have changed it if he'd even tried to defend himself).
I !retract visiblehowl.
I !vote tormentedsoul, really and truly.
Silly gnomes. They all look alike to me.
One question someone may be able to answer. Do we know what the Plane-walker's ability was and/or was it tied to the heart-ripping event from the first night?
The planewalker's ability supposedly (according to snacks) was that he was immune to gnome kills
Let's not forget that he may have had more than one ability. Although it wouldn't make much sense for him to only reveal one power.
-Oscar Wilde
Huh, that's an excellent point. I should vote. I'm feeling pretty "steered onto" myself at the moment.
For the non-gnomes in the room, you will note, if you take a shot at reading my so-called "plan", that I raised what I consider some legitimate objections to it. It's scarcely a WIN button, and it does seem even less tenable now than it did at the time. But there you go.
Gnasty made it so roles are revealed on death. He's letting us post our role PMs. These mechanics can work for us.
So I don't want to be randomly capped by a gnome and ignore the rest of the game. Stone me. I think it'd be cool for non-specials to be able to play too.
Has Gnasty actually commented upon the post humus posting of role PMs? Because allowing role PMs to be posted is not the same as allowing Dead People to tell their secrets.
You are the wraith!
You were an ancient king who made the Caves of Phalla his tomb. Your spirit has rested in peace since you were buried, but the Gnomes’ terrorist attack disturbed your grave and now all you want to do is help one side achieve victory so that you can get back to sleep. Edited for death requirements. Each round you may select one person to kill. Also, if you are ever targeted to be killed, a member of whichever group voted to kill you will be killed in retaliation (so if the Gnomes target you, one of their members will die. If the village votes to kill you, anyone who voted for you has a chance of dieing. The retaliation target is random). Also, if someone targets you with an item, the item will be destroyed and the user of the item will be revealed in the same night's narration; you will also be revealed. If you are targeted by the vote to be killed your role will be revealed in that night’s narration.
Your goal is to ally one side and help them achieve victory.
Unfortunately, I consume hearts as well as dismember people, but I am making a my decision out in the open in the hopes the gnomes target me. All I ask is that the vigilante or any other item user, doesn't use their item on me....I don't want to hurt the good guys!
I don't expect to be let into the netowrk (if there is one >.>) because I can not be confirmed, but if I could get someone to PM me with their ideas of who I should mutilate that night, it would be great. I don't want to accidentally be killing network members.
So uh, sup guys.
Okay, well, it's easy enough to test your abilities, if not your loyalties. Assuming you live the night, that is. Just make sure you let us know before the round ends who you wind up targeting.
sup, wraith
Wow. Yeah. Ironic that you'd get that role with your name and avatar. Powers of vengeance? Spectre? Oh man.
lol
Edit: I'm in ur top of page, talking bout comics.
Planeswalker
Will of the Council - Starting with you, each player votes for death goblin.
Those lines are eerily familiar...
Observation the first: That's a very convient, almost Precision K -ish suite of abilities.
Observation the second: Isn't your best plan to help the cultist win, since that would seem to be the quickest route to victory?
Conclusion from the second: Given your indifference to DSDMT's, why the hell should one of our specials contact you, thus letting you know where to find another (and possibly last) race?
Also, there is only 1 cultist left. Why would I want to ally with the person who may be close to victory, but also close to a loss?
I am gonna continue my killings as I see fit, I was just letting you all know that I am on your side and if you guys have any good ideas (the network) on who to kill, I would take it into consideration.
It will take a few days before I can prove myself, since this round has been extended to Monday.
Rawr and stuff.
Let's form a network. Like old times.
:winky:
Tommorrow has made a phonecarr to today.
Actually, wouldn't he not want to help the cultist since he has to kill one of every race and all specials count as races (Unless there are multiple wraiths and TehSpectre knows who one other is). His best course of action is the same as ours and the gnomes' right now, kill the last cultist. Or so I would think.
Alright, that is a very good point. I'm not certain if "every special counts as a race", it's just every special we're aware of has been described as a seperate race. I may have placed fluff over game rules in my head since I didn't think of "Ghost=race". If that's true...well I still think the power set is fairly convenient and he's unverifiable. I just don't see how (or why) he'd be able to screw us but I'm still leery.
Eh, it's not really a decision that I have to make in any regard.
That is broken, but that story is verified.
Don't do that. Snacks shouldn't have posted anything game-related after he died.
Once you die, keep it in the dead thread.
I still wouldn't count on him to last the night.
I also got a full time job again, so I am no longer a jobless bum (yay!).
If anyone can give me a short synopsis of what has happened so far, that would be great.
Uh, let's see. We killed Squashua for daring to take Phallanoia seriously, we then killed a special since uhm....cause. Now we're all not posting and losing to attrition. Oh, and Spectre is totally pulling a you.
I wouldn't mind hearing a clarification too.
Yeah that's actually really important to know.
-Oscar Wilde
But I'd like to hear an explanation for your BSing. :P
If you want to vote to kill me, go for it. One of the people who votes me to death however, will be killed accordingly, just as if the gnomes try and kill me.
Also, don't try and give me any items (I don't know why you would) as I cannot carry them and it will be RNG'd to someone else.
kthx.
Namely, the bolded portion, which was bolded in the original post, by the way.
Basically, I think a certain series of events has to occur for him to die, which he has very astutely decided not to reveal. As such, I doubt voting for him will kill him. On the other hand, it will at least partially confirm his story.
According to his "PM", it looks like all that has to be done is for him to be targeted for death. Thus, only one person has to vote for him. Since I'm a vanillager, I'll go ahead and !vote TehSpectre for death.
Nobody else vote for him. If I die at the end of the next round, then you'll know he's at least partially telling the truth.
Part of the reason I'm thinking this is complete bull is that it just seems a little too good. Essentially being protected against both kills and item uses?
Someone should designate Thespectre of the magnet as goal!
That is broken, but that story is verified!
It also doesn't designate which side you help and if some side jumps to bring you into their network, what's to say you won't jump ship with the info to help another side win faster?
Unfortunately, it's all very useless to us villagers.
Adrien
Frosteey - #391
DevoutlyApathetic - #405
Tormentedsoul - #407
Grundlterror - #409
Locus - #447
Mazlo - #451
DevoutlyApathetic
Frandelgearslip - #422
Tormentedsoul
Jdarksun - #454
Lignisse - #466
Paranoia833 - #456
TehSpectre
Visiblehowl - #496
Edit: And by the way I just switched to working full time so I will be very bored and probably posting a lot more often now.
However, if it is true that he can retaliate and say kill someone who targetted him etc, then I would have to say the cultists were screwed to begin this game with because they essentially needed both of them alive when they killed him, or they lose either because they are noted in the narration or because they died, however his power might work.
In my honest opinion, I care more about the cultist dying then trying to figure out whatever Tehspectre is.
If Gnasty gave him the exact win conditions he gave us where he can retaliate, then the cultists had a very good chance of being screwed no matter what happened in this game, plus, their win conditions are contrary to his. I would assume wraith is a type of race in this game.
Tehspectre, you might state what you want out of all this. I'm a human, so I don't mind staking your ass and having you kill me so I can help prevent one more person from dying every round, which coincidentally brings the cultist closer to victory because the chances of hitting him every round are so low. The only reason you would come forward is because you were afraid of dying. With conditions as you have them, it would be more efficient for you to stay quiet to confuse everyone.
!Tehspectre you mentioned you wanted sleep. I offer you a viable alternative.
I have nothing to lose sir, people who believe you fully and do not vote for you, probably have something to lose.