Someone experimented a lot with how the human body deals with freezing temperatures up to the point of death, but I can't remember who. I don't think it was Mengele. Does anybody know?
Dr. Victor Von Freeze.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Someone experimented a lot with how the human body deals with freezing temperatures up to the point of death, but I can't remember who. I don't think it was Mengele. Does anybody know?
That was Unit 731 stuff.
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I just saw the XBox giveaway on the second newspost today.
speaking of unethical, I wish we could just all hold our noses for a few decades and do some seriously nefarious research on death row inmates so we could do a rocket advancement in medicine.
why use death row inmates when there are all these perfectly healthy bankers sitting around
ok
I'm just saying that I'd push the button if there were one
I was just thinking the other day how bad would it be, really, if we just killed everyone who's ever posted on Stormfront.org.
Also fun fact: There is less of a genetic difference between your average black person and white person than between the entire genetic diaspora that is commonly called "black."
In short race is a construct and should not be used as a concept in anything involving genetics.
there is less an average height difference between women and men (maybe three inches) than in the height variance in the entire genetic subclass of men (what - three feet to eight feet?)
but women are still significantly shorter than men.
Also they tend to have vaginas
OH NO MY LEFTIST WORLDVIEW IS CRUMBLING
But no seriously congrats you've figured out that there are distinct differences between difference people, good for you.
Too bad that's not enough to make the logical leap to "women can't do math"
but i didn't say that women can't do math
what i'm saying is that this dismissive statistical sophistry doesn't help the position that you're trying to establish.
You are missing the point, again. I don't want to keep typing this.
We are not dismissing the statistics. They exist. There may be, and can be, measurable differences in ability (possibly based solely on genetics!) between races, genders, and whatever have you.
But it literally doesn't mean anything other than "there are differences between people."
Which was Psycho's point: You can isolate a statistically significant population that is better or worse at something, on average than another population. But what do you do with that knowledge? Hoorah, you have identified that different people are good or bad at different things!
At best it is simply pointless data, at worst it can be used by less moral people to reinforce damaging stereotypes.
The social and life sciences has long since realized this, and just kind of given up on the whole thing.
what i was taking issue with in PIH's post was this old canard about the in-group variance being higher than the cross-group difference somehow trivializing the cross-group difference. it doesn't.
more to your point, though, what i was taking issue with was feral's contention that acknowledgment or even the consideration of a genetic cross-group difference (in the case of IQ test performance) was necessarily racist.
Group A and Group B have a statistical difference in metric X. What are the causes?
Is it social?
maybe
Is it environmental?
maybe
Is it cultural?
maybe
Is it genetic?
you racist!
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Someone experimented a lot with how the human body deals with freezing temperatures up to the point of death, but I can't remember who. I don't think it was Mengele. Does anybody know?
Anyone who thinks that in today and age that black people are as "smart" on average as white people is dumb.
Anyone who thinks this is because of genetics is a bloody moron.
you know this because you have done years of research, right?
because you are en expert on cognitive biology, right?
We have to do our own research and be experts in fields to have opinions on things now?
But, no, you are certainly right. There are certainly no glaringly obvious political, social and economic reasons as to why black people on average are less smart than white people in the US.
Someone experimented a lot with how the human body deals with freezing temperatures up to the point of death, but I can't remember who. I don't think it was Mengele. Does anybody know?
That was Unit 731 stuff.
Why didn't they just use monkeys or something?
Too expensive. You need to raise them and shit. It's cheaper to just grab some peasants. They breed like bunnies anyway.
And they were Chinese peasants. That's, like, not even human.
God dammit Daxon I just explained the sickle cell thing, and if you extend the metaphor to women you will see the point I am trying to make.
Also raised estrogen levels can correspond not only to genetics, but also to environmental interference in regulatory regions that increase production of estrogen even in males.
Yeah but how are those environments created? May it perchance be some genetic factors being turn on and off at appropriate times resulting in this?
Nah, it's probably magic.
You do realize the importance of cis-regulation and epigenetic control of genetic expression right? Or do you want to keep twisting my words? environment can also mean extra organismal influence which lead to an increase in estrogen production in both sexes. Oh wait, maaagiccc
What extra organismal influences?
You realize that you are implying that hormone levels in the average human female are not subject to any sort of outside influences in either up or down regulation correct?
No, dude, it was like a specific question.
What extra organismal influences?
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Someone experimented a lot with how the human body deals with freezing temperatures up to the point of death, but I can't remember who. I don't think it was Mengele. Does anybody know?
Daxon, cigarette smoking (from perusing the literature) can decrease estrogen production in women. There are numerous studies on this easily accessible.
If you believe that you can only downregulate estrogen production, welp I have a friend who needs you to give him his bank account number because he needs someone he can trust to hold some money for him.
Has Liefeld ever come out with a statement about all the shit Mike has given him over the years?
He was going to but he couldn't find his pen under all the piles of money, and it was hard to get up and look for one with a beautiful woman in his lap.
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Has Liefeld ever come out with a statement about all the shit Mike has given him over the years?
He was going to but he couldn't find his pen under all the piles of money, and it was hard to get up and look for one with a beautiful woman in his lap.
Only the lower half of the woman though. The spine snapped right noff.
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That was Unit 731 stuff.
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Ludious? You know how sometimes people just give a slightly confused look and then say "You have terrible opinions."?
This is why
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what i was taking issue with in PIH's post was this old canard about the in-group variance being higher than the cross-group difference somehow trivializing the cross-group difference. it doesn't.
more to your point, though, what i was taking issue with was feral's contention that acknowledgment or even the consideration of a genetic cross-group difference (in the case of IQ test performance) was necessarily racist.
Group A and Group B have a statistical difference in metric X. What are the causes?
Is it social?
maybe
Is it environmental?
maybe
Is it cultural?
maybe
Is it genetic?
you racist!
I hate turn based
Why didn't they just use monkeys or something?
We have to do our own research and be experts in fields to have opinions on things now?
But, no, you are certainly right. There are certainly no glaringly obvious political, social and economic reasons as to why black people on average are less smart than white people in the US.
Ahahahaha! Oh god, this is so goddamn 1990s Rob Liefeld.
Too expensive. You need to raise them and shit. It's cheaper to just grab some peasants. They breed like bunnies anyway.
And they were Chinese peasants. That's, like, not even human.
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No, dude, it was like a specific question.
What extra organismal influences?
They didn't have monkeys
Holy shit, that is awesome.
If you believe that you can only downregulate estrogen production, welp I have a friend who needs you to give him his bank account number because he needs someone he can trust to hold some money for him.
Louis and Francis, alone in their cell, while the guards watch?
Also I liked the ass shot, not an ass shot, and then the horrible profile shot showing how horrific "sycthe" looked.
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He was going to but he couldn't find his pen under all the piles of money, and it was hard to get up and look for one with a beautiful woman in his lap.
I kno right?
can't you do both
"I made and continue to make mony off being an awful artist/writer/person/dresser/named human being."
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Son have you ever pulled off a quadrakill with a burger in your hands?
it's hard to see the screen over the feed bag
damn it nerd why do you make me say a thing
I think my lifetime total is 3 kills
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Only the lower half of the woman though. The spine snapped right noff.
It's bizarre.