SarksusATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
When is Microsoft going to up the bandwidth afforded to voice communication like they said they were. The quality is utter shit, like I'm talking to somebody over a dial-up connection on my computer from 1995.
The thing you seem to miss, Will, is that genetics are the last line of explanation for behavior in humans, and it isn't just because we don't like the idea.
Testing the genetic basis of a behavior is so phenomenally diffusion that it might as well be impossible right now.
Most of the people who work in these sciences have long accepted that, so when someone comes in and wants to test the genetic difference in performance between two groups, eyebrows get raised.
Will I don't think there's really that much disagreement going on, as I think Feral was specifically referring to one instance where the evidence so thin and the concept so implausible that asking the question really is pretty racist in that specific instance.
I wasn't even talking about asking the question "is there a genetic correlation between skin color and general intelligence?" I was talking about making the assertion that differences in IQ test scores is evidence of genetic inferiority.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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ElldrenIs a woman dammitceterum censeoRegistered Userregular
I guess my point is that, as someone who is intensely concerned with evolution, and whose driving question is "how did this trait arise?", I can't seem to come up with any sort of logical reason that, say, a woman, or an asian would do better or worse at something like math without invoking some sort of outside influence that precludes a genetic explanation.
in fairness, sickle cell anemia was noted to be common in people of north-african descent long before the causal vector was established.
it strikes me that you're holding a much higher bar for considerations of genetic differences than you are socio-economic or cultural causes, which you generally heartily endorse with naught but a handwave.
It's probably because his job is to scrutinize biological factors very strictly while social factors are somebody else's field entirely
The thing you seem to miss, Will, is that genetics are the last line of explanation for behavior in humans, and it isn't just because we don't like the idea.
Testing the genetic basis of a behavior is so phenomenally diffusion that it might as well be impossible right now.
Most of the people who work in these sciences have long accepted that, so when someone comes in and wants to test the genetic difference in performance between two groups, eyebrows get raised.
The thing you seem to miss, Will, is that genetics are the last line of explanation for behavior in humans, and it isn't just because we don't like the idea.
Testing the genetic basis of a behavior is so phenomenally diffusion that it might as well be impossible right now.
Most of the people who work in these sciences have long accepted that, so when someone comes in and wants to test the genetic difference in performance between two groups, eyebrows get raised.
Total bullshit, every fat person I know claims its genetic. Ex proctor mcdonaldsstratum.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I guess my point is that, as someone who is intensely concerned with evolution, and whose driving question is "how did this trait arise?", I can't seem to come up with any sort of logical reason that, say, a woman, or an asian would do better or worse at something like math without invoking some sort of outside influence that precludes a genetic explanation.
in fairness, sickle cell anemia was noted to be common in people of north-african descent long before the causal vector was established.
it strikes me that you're holding a much higher bar for considerations of genetic differences than you are socio-economic or cultural causes, which you generally heartily endorse with naught but a handwave.
Yes I am! Because it is phenomenally difficult to accurately pin these behaviors to genetics alone. And if you DO pin it to genetics, then you have to explain WHY IT IS GENETICALLY BASED!
With sickle cell this is easy! Sickle cell confers a selective advantage in the african population!
But how do you explain it if you found that african americans have genetically-linked poor academic performance?
consideration of a possibility doesn't connote to me any more a burden to explain than the assertions of test bias or whatever else, and i don't really think it necessarily imputes racism.
So lets say you consider the possibility, and as daxon said, you noticed that african americans perform worse on tests of mathematical aptitude than non african americans. Your first impulse is to test the genetics and not the social factors that placed them there?
Seems a bit like you aren't really paying a lot of attention.
Maybe racist isn't the word, but it is definitely a misappropriation of the situation.
But then you are going to say "but now you are ignoring genetics blah blah"
No. The point is that you have to eliminate all other factors before you can ascribe behavior strictly to genetics, and in the context of all the things we describe, that is just not possible.
why are you assuming that i would discount the socio-economic or other factors? i never even implied that. i'm simply arguing that from an agnostic standpoint, genetics should be regarded as a causal explanantion co-equal in plausibility to social factors, nutrition, test bias, or whatever else. that discounting the possibility out of hand is not good science.
and that consideration of genetics as a causal possibility is not racist in and of itself.
When is Microsoft going to up the bandwidth afforded to voice communication like they said they were. The quality is utter shit, like I'm talking to somebody over a dial-up connection on my computer from 1995.
XBL voice sounds just like Roger Wilco from ten years ago.
But actually, they are upping it. New voice codec is being pushed with the fall dashboard update.
When is Microsoft going to up the bandwidth afforded to voice communication like they said they were. The quality is utter shit, like I'm talking to somebody over a dial-up connection on my computer from 1995.
XBL voice sounds just like Roger Wilco from ten years ago.
But actually, they are upping it. New voice codec is being pushed with the fall dashboard update.
If you like Microsoft so much why don't you marry them?
Preacher on
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It reminds me of a conversation I had on another board about the end of 2012. Sure, those people are still alive, but there is no chance humanity will last after all that drastic flooding. They all have looks of hope, yet they'll be eating each other inside of a decade.
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When is Microsoft going to up the bandwidth afforded to voice communication like they said they were. The quality is utter shit, like I'm talking to somebody over a dial-up connection on my computer from 1995.
XBL voice sounds just like Roger Wilco from ten years ago.
But actually, they are upping it. New voice codec is being pushed with the fall dashboard update.
If you like Microsoft so much why don't you marry them?
maybe I will
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
edited September 2010
Arch explain why ducks have barbed orange penises but geese don't.
When is Microsoft going to up the bandwidth afforded to voice communication like they said they were. The quality is utter shit, like I'm talking to somebody over a dial-up connection on my computer from 1995.
XBL voice sounds just like Roger Wilco from ten years ago.
But actually, they are upping it. New voice codec is being pushed with the fall dashboard update.
If you like Microsoft so much why don't you marry them?
maybe I will
Oh good, can you get me a game discount and like a live discount?
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
why are you assuming that i would discount the socio-economic or other factors? i never even implied that. i'm simply arguing that from an agnostic standpoint, genetics should be regarded as a co-equal causal explanantion as social factors, nutrition, test bias, or whatever else.
and that consideration of genetics as a causal possibility is not racist in and of itself.
Well if there are other factors at work, genetics is sort of a moot point, until it's the future and everyone is genetically perfect anyway.
When is Microsoft going to up the bandwidth afforded to voice communication like they said they were. The quality is utter shit, like I'm talking to somebody over a dial-up connection on my computer from 1995.
XBL voice sounds just like Roger Wilco from ten years ago.
But actually, they are upping it. New voice codec is being pushed with the fall dashboard update.
If you like Microsoft so much why don't you marry them?
Because the courts in the US haven't let corporate personhood get that far yet.
Arch explain why ducks have barbed orange penises but geese don't.
GENETICS
You don't know anything about water fowl sexual organs. You actually know less about water fowl sexual organs then you do east german ballet dancers, and I'll be honest I didn't think that was possible.
Preacher on
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
When is Microsoft going to up the bandwidth afforded to voice communication like they said they were. The quality is utter shit, like I'm talking to somebody over a dial-up connection on my computer from 1995.
XBL voice sounds just like Roger Wilco from ten years ago.
But actually, they are upping it. New voice codec is being pushed with the fall dashboard update.
If you like Microsoft so much why don't you marry them?
Because the courts in the US haven't let corporate personhood get that far yet.
God knows with as often as I've gotten fucked by a corporation the least they could do is buy the cow.
Preacher on
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Will I don't think there's really that much disagreement going on, as I think Feral was specifically referring to one instance where the evidence so thin and the concept so implausible that asking the question really is pretty racist in that specific instance.
I wasn't even talking about asking the question "is there a genetic correlation between skin color and general intelligence?" I was talking about making the assertion that differences in IQ test scores is evidence of genetic inferiority.
i had previously missed where you used the term "genetic inferiority" in your post. and yeah, trying to use some sort of basis to establish non-categorical superiority and inferiority would be racist pretty much by definition.
i do think the term gets stretched kind of far in many contexts, though.
When is Microsoft going to up the bandwidth afforded to voice communication like they said they were. The quality is utter shit, like I'm talking to somebody over a dial-up connection on my computer from 1995.
XBL voice sounds just like Roger Wilco from ten years ago.
But actually, they are upping it. New voice codec is being pushed with the fall dashboard update.
If you like Microsoft so much why don't you marry them?
Because the courts in the US haven't let corporate personhood get that far yet.
God knows with as often as I've gotten fucked by a corporation the least they could do is buy the cow.
As weird as it sounds I can actually see the US permitting marriage between a person and a corporation with less fuss than gay marriage. They'd probably get polygamy in there too lest it be deemed unfair to all the people that would probably try to marry Nike given half a chance.
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Testing the genetic basis of a behavior is so phenomenally diffusion that it might as well be impossible right now.
Most of the people who work in these sciences have long accepted that, so when someone comes in and wants to test the genetic difference in performance between two groups, eyebrows get raised.
I wasn't even talking about asking the question "is there a genetic correlation between skin color and general intelligence?" I was talking about making the assertion that differences in IQ test scores is evidence of genetic inferiority.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
It's probably because his job is to scrutinize biological factors very strictly while social factors are somebody else's field entirely
love your av/title/location by the way
Total bullshit, every fat person I know claims its genetic. Ex proctor mcdonaldsstratum.
pleasepaypreacher.net
This is amazing.
on board with this tbh
oh science you so wacky
Yes I am! Because it is phenomenally difficult to accurately pin these behaviors to genetics alone. And if you DO pin it to genetics, then you have to explain WHY IT IS GENETICALLY BASED!
With sickle cell this is easy! Sickle cell confers a selective advantage in the african population!
But how do you explain it if you found that african americans have genetically-linked poor academic performance?
why are you assuming that i would discount the socio-economic or other factors? i never even implied that. i'm simply arguing that from an agnostic standpoint, genetics should be regarded as a causal explanantion co-equal in plausibility to social factors, nutrition, test bias, or whatever else. that discounting the possibility out of hand is not good science.
and that consideration of genetics as a causal possibility is not racist in and of itself.
I know right.
I tend to maintain a detached disinterest in things.
XBL voice sounds just like Roger Wilco from ten years ago.
But actually, they are upping it. New voice codec is being pushed with the fall dashboard update.
Lies! ASPIES ARE THE FUTUREPEOPLE
(I am not really autistic btw)
(just kinda retarded)
If you like Microsoft so much why don't you marry them?
pleasepaypreacher.net
about things!
It reminds me of a conversation I had on another board about the end of 2012. Sure, those people are still alive, but there is no chance humanity will last after all that drastic flooding. They all have looks of hope, yet they'll be eating each other inside of a decade.
maybe I will
GENETICS
Oh good, can you get me a game discount and like a live discount?
pleasepaypreacher.net
Well if there are other factors at work, genetics is sort of a moot point, until it's the future and everyone is genetically perfect anyway.
Because the courts in the US haven't let corporate personhood get that far yet.
Zoooooooooooom
You don't know anything about water fowl sexual organs. You actually know less about water fowl sexual organs then you do east german ballet dancers, and I'll be honest I didn't think that was possible.
pleasepaypreacher.net
i believe that there are markers for endocrine disorders and bad skin
the autism-spectrum is all due to too much vaccinations.
God knows with as often as I've gotten fucked by a corporation the least they could do is buy the cow.
pleasepaypreacher.net
*Slow Clap*
Bravo.
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It's like a rainbow of awkwardness.
is there any other clap from you?
Anyone got a free trial card or one month card lying around they're not using?
I'll give you internet sex*
Empire is clearly the worst.
Medieval was the best.
Until Shogun II, of course.
awesome
Winky needs to do this
i had previously missed where you used the term "genetic inferiority" in your post. and yeah, trying to use some sort of basis to establish non-categorical superiority and inferiority would be racist pretty much by definition.
i do think the term gets stretched kind of far in many contexts, though.
As weird as it sounds I can actually see the US permitting marriage between a person and a corporation with less fuss than gay marriage. They'd probably get polygamy in there too lest it be deemed unfair to all the people that would probably try to marry Nike given half a chance.
I do, actually
dunno if they still work or anything
I can check
Just have her create a new Xbox Live ID? You get a free month of Live Gold with a new ID now, if I remember the situation right.
Remember not to have white children, everybody