Basically, is it worth playing on a console without awesome mods?
If you have a pc capable of running the game do yourself a favor and grab it on PC.
I got FO3 originally on xbox, it was good for 1.5 play throughs and maybe a couple of idea characters that never really got fleshed out however the game mechanics were so rediciously broken and exploitable, the learning curve so slight that i traded it to a friend for 25$ and purchased the pc version which was good for another 5 complete play throughs (usually when dlc or a really good mod from the community was released).
Over all I derived far more enjoyment from the PC version mods than any of the bethesda released DLCs, however the base buggyness of the game is carried through the various mods you will get, however you will spend a fair amount of time checking settings and ini files and performance mods etc.
So if you are a 1-2 play through person before you feel like putting the game away I think the console version will be fine, but if you are addicted to the fallout universe and have a tolerance for sifting through the horrible mods on the nexus to find the gold the PC version can be far, Far, FAR more rewarding.
Yeah, there are tons of people out there who seem to think fallout 3 was the first fallout game, it's surprising, especially when it's coming from a lot of the gaming review sites. RPS was the same way, they praised of all things LITTLE LAMPLIGHT for it's writing over new vegas. Astounding really.
Having bought fallout 1 like a month after it was released, and having struggled to get it working in dos mode on my pentium 75, I view these people with the most grognardy contempt possible, and pretty much dismiss their opinions completely, encouraging everyone I encounter to do the same.
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Argh, fought Nightkin for the first time. Such a pain.
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I really enjoy the new weapons in the game, especially since most of them are real world guns. The Browning Hi-power 9mm, the Vaquero .357 and the rest. They did a great job with that, and to me it really helps a ton for the immersion factor. Not to mention the fact that you can reload your ammo now.
One thing I'm wondering and I haven't had a chance to see if it works. Does anyone know if you can use the .38 ammo in the .357 revolver? If so, then I am even more impressed.
You can.
.223 works in 5.56 guns also.
That is so outstanding. I don't know if I've ever seen that before in a game. Bravo!
Have any of you guys noticed a damage difference between .223 and 5.56?
.223 has an awful habit of killing stuff much harder in real life, seems to be a much more rare ammo type in game. I'm currently wishing 'that gun' had a bit more kick.
Yes, many of the ideas of the best mods in FO3 are already in this game.
Also, you see that a lot and even from people in this thread about NV not feeling like "Fallout". This game feels very much like the OLD games. The originals as opposed to Fallout 3.
I so wanted to see a slick professional real time settlers added to the game, fark these crappy towns i will build my own town, with hookers and blackjack!
I've done a whole bunch of shit up to just entering the strip and haven't found a really good gun yet though, which is kind of annoying. Do have one baller ass sledgehammer though.
The Cowboy Repeater found on many Legion dudes was pretty good against the low-mid level stuff for me. Also, there's an Arms Dealer at the 188 Trading Post which is Northwest of Boulder City.
If the NCR does not hate you, try McCarran Airport. Not real spoiler material, but it might slant your opinion of a certain character:
Contreras, an NCR troop in charge of weapons distribution, claims he will let you look at his "special inventory" if you send a note to some Gun Runners. Not sure how good his inventory is afterward since I have yet to finish the quest. Before the quest, though, he had a Missile Launcher that I am now going to try and use for sneak attacks.
Does anyone else think ammo is really scarce in this game? The merchants never seem to restock their supplies, so I can only buy about 30 or 40 rounds of 5.56mm from an NPC. Then they're out and I'll never get anymore.
Also, the shooting in this game is terrible. Enemies take tons of shots to kill, especially the radscorpions. The humans all have really good bullet resistance and move in strange jerky motions. It looks terrible and makes it harder to hit them.
Does anyone else think ammo is really scarce in this game? The merchants never seem to restock their supplies, so I can only buy about 30 or 40 rounds of 5.56mm from an NPC. Then they're out and I'll never get anymore.
Also, the shooting in this game is terrible. Enemies take tons of shots to kill, especially the radscorpions. The humans all have really good bullet resistance and move in strange jerky motions. It looks terrible and makes it harder to hit them.
God no. Within a few hours I'm rolling in ammo, guns and caps. It reaches a point where it's actually difficult to offload all of it because the vendors don't have enough caps to buy all my stuff.
Also, the shooting in this game is terrible. Enemies take tons of shots to kill, especially the radscorpions. The humans all have really good bullet resistance and move in strange jerky motions. It looks terrible and makes it harder to hit them.
vendors should resupply every 3 days... its annoying but there it is, also if you are strapped for bullets and dont mind several million karma hits and reloading an agility of 7 and sneak of 60 (or stealth boy) allows you a very good chance of being able to thieve ammo.. ncr is a great place to stock up on 5.56 ammo
f5 and f9 for my evil bastard cowboy and i grab 400 or so bullets in a go plus ncr tags
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You should avoid radscorpions. Having inches of incredibly thick chitin naturally means that bullets are not going to be very useful.
Does anyone else think ammo is really scarce in this game? The merchants never seem to restock their supplies, so I can only buy about 30 or 40 rounds of 5.56mm from an NPC. Then they're out and I'll never get anymore.
Also, the shooting in this game is terrible. Enemies take tons of shots to kill, especially the radscorpions. The humans all have really good bullet resistance and move in strange jerky motions. It looks terrible and makes it harder to hit them.
How high is your Repair and do you have the Hand Loader perk? If you do, you have a higher chance that your shots will produce empty cases of ammo. Also, vendors sell Case Boxes of ammo, and I have even seen boxes of primer. Use these at Reloading Benches to make ammo for your weapon. Usually, I pick all ammo and breakdown the ammo I do not need.
In regards to the Case Boxes, there was a bug where you would have to purchase the case box, drop it from your inventory, and then pick it up before it would grant you the actual empty bullet cases.
I encountered serious trouble getting ammo in the early game, I've since taken the ammo finder perk, with 8 luck I've had no problems stockpiling quite a few rifle rounds.
Also, with 8 luck I've been banned from gambling at every casino on the strip. Are there any casinos you can play blackjack at aside from:
atomic wrangler in freeside offers blackjack if you have a pc and want to rectify being kicked out of a casino there is already a mod for that
Thanks, I was wondering if I could go put another hurt on a casino Dunno if I'd use a mod for it though, I felt kinda bad taking every casino on the strip for 10+k
My repair's only 35 or so. But mind you, I'm lvl 4 right now. I mostly put my points into Guns, which is at 63.
63, and the shooting's still awful. Especially when you run across other humans at a distance, because they'll have amazing accuracy and be able to land successive shots from way the fuck out there. While I on the other hand will miss about 80-90 percent of the time, because the iron sights aren't great and the accuracy just isn't there. It feels like the game's cheating, pitting you against these amazingly accurate sharpshooters. You can't hit shit at a distance, but they're dead on. What gives?
It's made worse because when they're sniping you, you don't even get directional hit indicators telling you where they're shooting from. It's just some random blood splotches across the whole screen. Seriously, how could they not realize that this would be useful?
My repair's only 35 or so. But mind you, I'm lvl 4 right now. I mostly put my points into Guns, which is at 63.
63, and the shooting's still awful. Especially when you run across other humans at a distance, because they'll have amazing accuracy and be able to land successive shots from way the fuck out there. While I on the other hand will miss about 80-90 percent of the time, because the iron sights aren't great and the accuracy just isn't there. It feels like the game's cheating, pitting you against these amazingly accurate sharpshooters. You can't hit shit at a distance, but they're dead on. What gives?
It's made worse because when they're sniping you, you don't even get directional hit indicators telling you where they're shooting from. It's just some random blood splotches across the whole screen. Seriously, how could they not realize that this would be useful?
I don't know what to tell you . I find the shooting through iron sights to be almost unfairly accurate for me.
Some tips:
1) Leave Radscorpions alone. They're just bullet sponges, not worth the time at low levels.
2) Take scrounger if you have the luck for it at level 8.
3) Try to set up long-range iron sights sneak kills with rifles. You're far away, so it doesn't matter if your Sneak skill sucks.
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Interesting, my hardcore playthrough has a major bug. It isn't giving me demands to drink, eat and sleep - but is counting ammunition as having weight. That's odd (albeit the only important thing to me it's doing, so meh).
I have this overwhelming urge to wear the Fire Hat, and use the Fire Axe and Flamethrower as weapons.
and run around the wasteland mumblind HUDDA HUDDA HUDDA
And yes, New Vegas is a return to the glory of the original series.
It is so much awesome, and contains so many references to 1 and 2, as well as so many concepts fro Van Buren, that there is no way in hell NMA can hate this game.
They totally should have had a Z̵͚ͯ́̑̀ͤ͛a̳̲͉ͮ̽ͨ̾̑̊l͖̖̝͚͕̝͓͌̈g̳͕̪͉̼̹͑̒̆ȏ̠͚͍̤͚͙̍ reference, but didn't F3 have a monopoly on CREEPY AS FUCK shit in some of the places?
Ah, I thought there were a couple of vaults that were a bit "fuched uppu" as they say.
So -- Going to go through F3 as a melee/stealth build. Unarmed or Melee weapons, and why? I hear that Unarmed with certain perks becomes a VATS-abusing death cloud... But Melee gets a flaming sword. You can see my conflict, right?
Is there anything specific I should know to avoid / work on? I know there's +1 STR I can get from Bobble Heads, and another one from doing the ant quest, and the Power Armor helps a lot as well, so... make sure I don't go over 6/7 STR?
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Well in Fallout 3 there is the Gary vault, which is more funny than anything else and the other that can be weird is the gas vault (where you trip balls in various places).
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If you have a pc capable of running the game do yourself a favor and grab it on PC.
I got FO3 originally on xbox, it was good for 1.5 play throughs and maybe a couple of idea characters that never really got fleshed out however the game mechanics were so rediciously broken and exploitable, the learning curve so slight that i traded it to a friend for 25$ and purchased the pc version which was good for another 5 complete play throughs (usually when dlc or a really good mod from the community was released).
Over all I derived far more enjoyment from the PC version mods than any of the bethesda released DLCs, however the base buggyness of the game is carried through the various mods you will get, however you will spend a fair amount of time checking settings and ini files and performance mods etc.
So if you are a 1-2 play through person before you feel like putting the game away I think the console version will be fine, but if you are addicted to the fallout universe and have a tolerance for sifting through the horrible mods on the nexus to find the gold the PC version can be far, Far, FAR more rewarding.
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Having bought fallout 1 like a month after it was released, and having struggled to get it working in dos mode on my pentium 75, I view these people with the most grognardy contempt possible, and pretty much dismiss their opinions completely, encouraging everyone I encounter to do the same.
That is so outstanding. I don't know if I've ever seen that before in a game. Bravo!
D'awwwwww, you're such a romantic.
Come here you big lug.
We have innocent civilians to kill.
.223 has an awful habit of killing stuff much harder in real life, seems to be a much more rare ammo type in game. I'm currently wishing 'that gun' had a bit more kick.
Ah, but is there a NMA reference?
There are a couple passing references to unwashed villagers I've heard. Didn't that come from way early NMA?
i really like the look of the modded regular weapons (for the most part) but god damn lucky just feels so right from its design and logo.
Yes.
I so wanted to see a slick professional real time settlers added to the game, fark these crappy towns i will build my own town, with hookers and blackjack!
With his fists.
I let him. He killed them all, bare handed.
The Cowboy Repeater found on many Legion dudes was pretty good against the low-mid level stuff for me. Also, there's an Arms Dealer at the 188 Trading Post which is Northwest of Boulder City.
If the NCR does not hate you, try McCarran Airport. Not real spoiler material, but it might slant your opinion of a certain character:
Also, the shooting in this game is terrible. Enemies take tons of shots to kill, especially the radscorpions. The humans all have really good bullet resistance and move in strange jerky motions. It looks terrible and makes it harder to hit them.
God no. Within a few hours I'm rolling in ammo, guns and caps. It reaches a point where it's actually difficult to offload all of it because the vendors don't have enough caps to buy all my stuff.
Welcome to Bethesda game engines.
f5 and f9 for my evil bastard cowboy and i grab 400 or so bullets in a go plus ncr tags
How high is your Repair and do you have the Hand Loader perk? If you do, you have a higher chance that your shots will produce empty cases of ammo. Also, vendors sell Case Boxes of ammo, and I have even seen boxes of primer. Use these at Reloading Benches to make ammo for your weapon. Usually, I pick all ammo and breakdown the ammo I do not need.
In regards to the Case Boxes, there was a bug where you would have to purchase the case box, drop it from your inventory, and then pick it up before it would grant you the actual empty bullet cases.
they are no match for my trusty sledge hammer (25 melee skill now... smashy smashy!)
But then, I burn most things that try to get close.
Also, with 8 luck I've been banned from gambling at every casino on the strip. Are there any casinos you can play blackjack at aside from:
Thanks, I was wondering if I could go put another hurt on a casino Dunno if I'd use a mod for it though, I felt kinda bad taking every casino on the strip for 10+k
63, and the shooting's still awful. Especially when you run across other humans at a distance, because they'll have amazing accuracy and be able to land successive shots from way the fuck out there. While I on the other hand will miss about 80-90 percent of the time, because the iron sights aren't great and the accuracy just isn't there. It feels like the game's cheating, pitting you against these amazingly accurate sharpshooters. You can't hit shit at a distance, but they're dead on. What gives?
It's made worse because when they're sniping you, you don't even get directional hit indicators telling you where they're shooting from. It's just some random blood splotches across the whole screen. Seriously, how could they not realize that this would be useful?
Yes, she doesn't mind me engaging in a bit of cannibalism, bless its soul.
Edit: Are his limbs crippled I wonder?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKIkw3LIoQ
I don't know what to tell you . I find the shooting through iron sights to be almost unfairly accurate for me.
Some tips:
1) Leave Radscorpions alone. They're just bullet sponges, not worth the time at low levels.
2) Take scrounger if you have the luck for it at level 8.
3) Try to set up long-range iron sights sneak kills with rifles. You're far away, so it doesn't matter if your Sneak skill sucks.
and run around the wasteland mumblind HUDDA HUDDA HUDDA
And yes, New Vegas is a return to the glory of the original series.
It is so much awesome, and contains so many references to 1 and 2, as well as so many concepts fro Van Buren, that there is no way in hell NMA can hate this game.
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They totally should have had a Z̵͚ͯ́̑̀ͤ͛a̳̲͉ͮ̽ͨ̾̑̊l͖̖̝͚͕̝͓͌̈g̳͕̪͉̼̹͑̒̆ȏ̠͚͍̤͚͙̍ reference, but didn't F3 have a monopoly on CREEPY AS FUCK shit in some of the places?
So -- Going to go through F3 as a melee/stealth build. Unarmed or Melee weapons, and why? I hear that Unarmed with certain perks becomes a VATS-abusing death cloud... But Melee gets a flaming sword. You can see my conflict, right?
Is there anything specific I should know to avoid / work on? I know there's +1 STR I can get from Bobble Heads, and another one from doing the ant quest, and the Power Armor helps a lot as well, so... make sure I don't go over 6/7 STR?