So the question is, do I start a new thread now or wait until I wake up tomorrow morning at 8am? GOM starts in an hour and I have no doubts that 3clipse and SkutSkut are lurking about....
....hmmmmm.....choices......
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Because IdrA and Artosis are just arguing by saying "No you're wrong you haven't done it you can't possibly be right your arguments suck." And then saying that his arguments are invalid because he's not in Korea.
Basically IdrA is arguing like a douche and Artosis is backing him up.
It's frustrating to argue against that.
You're mis-characterizing what IdrA and Artosis have said.
That aside, Geoff didn't even try to understand their argument. Instead he just started shouting and swearing when they brought up relevant recent matches.
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He's not wrong though. His point was right.
The swearing only started when IdrA and Artosis did the equivalent of *hands over ears* LALALALA YOU'RE WRONG I CAN'T HEAR YOU
"If you want some evidence of what we're saying, look at the GuineaPig games. You need infestors to counter his build or mutas are totally non-viable. It happened in the GSL."
In direct response to which Geoff lost his cool.
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And now they're complaining about Salvage.
This is why they need a good, regular Terran. Bunker Salvage happens because a Bunker can be completely useless, whereas other defensive structures at least deal damage.
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Wow. Just speaking from personal taste, randomly pick the maps I hate the most.
I think bunker salvage is balanced and understandable, since each race's static defense has some kind of advantage.
But it feels a bit too strong that it can be salvaged in a few seconds with 10 lings trying to focus it down.
I wish that the salvage time was like 5 seconds longer so that you can't be totally reckless and get all your money back any ways, but eh, not a big deal.
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I think bunker salvage is balanced and understandable, since each race's static defense has some kind of advantage.
But it feels a bit too strong that it can be salvaged in a few seconds with 10 lings trying to focus it down.
I wish that the salvage time was like 5 seconds longer so that you can't be totally reckless and get all your money back any ways, but eh, not a big deal.
I can totally get behind that change. It should be something for, say, getting back the money for the Bunker at your Main ramp when you're on 3 bases, not getting free money when your rush fails.
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So the question is, do I start a new thread now or wait until I wake up tomorrow morning at 8am? GOM starts in an hour and I have no doubts that 3clipse and SkutSkut are lurking about....
....hmmmmm.....choices......
Follow your heart...
And put the stuff about Penny Arcade League i posted a few posts back in the op please!!
He doesn't always 14 hatch, but he claims that if a zerg doesn't 14 hatch (against T) you're going to lose for sure 15 minutes into the game rather than having a high probability of losing it in 5 minutes.
So the question is, do I start a new thread now or wait until I wake up tomorrow morning at 8am? GOM starts in an hour and I have no doubts that 3clipse and SkutSkut are lurking about....
....hmmmmm.....choices......
Follow your heart...
And put the stuff about Penny Arcade League i posted a few posts back in the op please!!
Revector: is learning to play this game clean to hyard for you
You: it was just a one base play
no proxies or anything
Revector: maurders are the most OP unit in the game right now
read any forum it's pretty much 100% agreed upon
you build then and send them in
you little btich
You: lol
Revector: no micro
You: u mad bro
Revector: no skill
!@#$ you
don't call me bro
I wouldnt' take back talk from a little !@#$% like you in real life and I sure as ^&*! am not going to do it online
You: I get beaten by plenty of protoss
learn to forcefield
Revector: ya well I guess they expect cheese play
I was hopin gfor a fun game
so !@#$ you
You:
Revector: you little !@#$%
no skill
no pride in your game
pathetic
You: u hurtin mah feelinz
QQ
Revector: ya you should cry
if I played as badly as you I would
You: I see victory on my screen
gg
Revector: nope...I clearly say...you cheesed and lost on mine
You: 853 wins and still in gold
temper is understandable I guess
Revector: shut your mouth
You:
And then again a few minutes later:
Revector: well what do you know same !@#$ as last game
Revector has reconnected.
Revector: except this time I was excpeting it and raped the cheeser
all you losers play the same
You: see, it's not hard when you try
Revector: you a loser and you'll always be a loser. Just cuase you learned to exploit at a video game and won a few matches doesn't mean !@#$
You: see, the funny thing I didn't take any pride in it
I'm just playing a game
you're the one getting all serious
Idra is basically way better than anyone else in the podcast and actually knows to how to argue instead of getting all emotional and butthurt.
InControl's a funny dude, but I hate him sometimes. He's the type of guy you couldn't actually have a debate with without it getting into a shouting match.
He doesn't always 14 hatch, but he claims that if a zerg doesn't 14 hatch (against T) you're going to lose for sure 15 minutes into the game rather than having a high probability of losing it in 5 minutes.
I thought that Mutas worked fairly well against Voids. Is that not the case?
My experience in Phantom says that if you have 250 pop of mutas vs 200 pop of void rays, you're going to have 100 pop of void rays left to worry about once they're done killing your mutas
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is that just a moved into each other? out of curiosity. I also don't know what cost is.
I will say that IdrA was even more abrasive early in the discussion.
"Your experiences don't matter at all because your opponents suck." was pretty O_o, even for him.
I guess, I just thought it was more like "You haven't experienced this build so much yet, because it came out like a week ago and Koreans copy like mad and there aren't a lot of good Zs on NA". As for that last part, what good Zs are there besides like, Machine?
That's only partially rhetorical, as I haven't really been watching much other than some of the GSLs since summer ended.
Dunno, probably not the best route to go in an argument but I meant Geoff in general from this podcast and others, just gets all butthurt and mad when he doesn't get the respect he automatically thinks he deserves.
Hard to explain if you haven't actually met a person like this. Basically, people arguing from emotion are almost always worse than those arguing from logic.
is that just a moved into each other? out of curiosity. I also don't know what cost is.
All attempts to micro apparently make things worse
Since they upped the VR initial damage they are significantly better as a swarm against lighter units
Mass corrupters seem capable of beating them, but zerg really could use some kind of AOE unit, really any kind.
Here's my thought: Baneling catapult
I did a few tests a while a ago. When corruptors and voids are even (in food), the voids win by a little, but when your corruptors even slightly out number the voids (by food) the voids get crushed.
So if they're attacking with voids, make sure you do a quick food count before going in. If you have anything more than equal food, go for it, anything less than an advantage, wait it out.
Ideally you would hit them with corruptors and hydralisks, unless I'm mistaken. Too many hydras means you cant get em all in position but a 50/50 split works well
This is only for team games, in 1v1 there should be no way voids can beat hydras or even mutas in any realistic scenario
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oh you reminded me
back to old sig time
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i'm about to make the next thread
also GSL will push above 99 and if you don't think it will you're dumb as a goat
Working, and waiting.
You're mis-characterizing what IdrA and Artosis have said.
That aside, Geoff didn't even try to understand their argument. Instead he just started shouting and swearing when they brought up relevant recent matches.
The swearing only started when IdrA and Artosis did the equivalent of *hands over ears* LALALALA YOU'RE WRONG I CAN'T HEAR YOU
"If you want some evidence of what we're saying, look at the GuineaPig games. You need infestors to counter his build or mutas are totally non-viable. It happened in the GSL."
In direct response to which Geoff lost his cool.
they're the best at whining too
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This is why they need a good, regular Terran. Bunker Salvage happens because a Bunker can be completely useless, whereas other defensive structures at least deal damage.
the point is we won't know until after the fact and then one side will be like "see I was right l o l"
I'm just going to enjoy them arguing cause its funny as hell
Wow. Just speaking from personal taste, randomly pick the maps I hate the most.
But it feels a bit too strong that it can be salvaged in a few seconds with 10 lings trying to focus it down.
I wish that the salvage time was like 5 seconds longer so that you can't be totally reckless and get all your money back any ways, but eh, not a big deal.
o_O
I can totally get behind that change. It should be something for, say, getting back the money for the Bunker at your Main ramp when you're on 3 bases, not getting free money when your rush fails.
He has in the games I've seen of him. Didn't he lose in GSL because he 14hatched?
Simonnnnn play some games.
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Chat from after the game (Yeah I was being a bit of a dick, but he sorta asked for it...):
Revector: seriuolsy you little !@#$in %^&*!
Revector has reconnected.
Revector: why you got to be a cheeser?
You: how is that cheese?
Revector: is learning to play this game clean to hyard for you
You: it was just a one base play
no proxies or anything
Revector: maurders are the most OP unit in the game right now
read any forum it's pretty much 100% agreed upon
you build then and send them in
you little btich
You: lol
Revector: no micro
You: u mad bro
Revector: no skill
!@#$ you
don't call me bro
I wouldnt' take back talk from a little !@#$% like you in real life and I sure as ^&*! am not going to do it online
You: I get beaten by plenty of protoss
learn to forcefield
Revector: ya well I guess they expect cheese play
I was hopin gfor a fun game
so !@#$ you
You:
Revector: you little !@#$%
no skill
no pride in your game
pathetic
You: u hurtin mah feelinz
QQ
Revector: ya you should cry
if I played as badly as you I would
You: I see victory on my screen
gg
Revector: nope...I clearly say...you cheesed and lost on mine
You: 853 wins and still in gold
temper is understandable I guess
Revector: shut your mouth
You:
And then again a few minutes later:
Revector: well what do you know same !@#$ as last game
Revector has reconnected.
Revector: except this time I was excpeting it and raped the cheeser
all you losers play the same
You: see, it's not hard when you try
Revector: you a loser and you'll always be a loser. Just cuase you learned to exploit at a video game and won a few matches doesn't mean !@#$
You: see, the funny thing I didn't take any pride in it
I'm just playing a game
you're the one getting all serious
Revector: !@#$ you
You: awww
InControl's a funny dude, but I hate him sometimes. He's the type of guy you couldn't actually have a debate with without it getting into a shouting match.
"Your experiences don't matter at all because your opponents suck." was pretty O_o, even for him.
honestly I think he's right
My experience in Phantom says that if you have 250 pop of mutas vs 200 pop of void rays, you're going to have 100 pop of void rays left to worry about once they're done killing your mutas
I guess, I just thought it was more like "You haven't experienced this build so much yet, because it came out like a week ago and Koreans copy like mad and there aren't a lot of good Zs on NA". As for that last part, what good Zs are there besides like, Machine?
That's only partially rhetorical, as I haven't really been watching much other than some of the GSLs since summer ended.
Dunno, probably not the best route to go in an argument but I meant Geoff in general from this podcast and others, just gets all butthurt and mad when he doesn't get the respect he automatically thinks he deserves.
Hard to explain if you haven't actually met a person like this. Basically, people arguing from emotion are almost always worse than those arguing from logic.
All attempts to micro apparently make things worse
Since they upped the VR initial damage they are significantly better as a swarm against lighter units
Mass corrupters seem capable of beating them, but zerg really could use some kind of AOE unit, really any kind.
Here's my thought: Baneling catapult
I did a few tests a while a ago. When corruptors and voids are even (in food), the voids win by a little, but when your corruptors even slightly out number the voids (by food) the voids get crushed.
So if they're attacking with voids, make sure you do a quick food count before going in. If you have anything more than equal food, go for it, anything less than an advantage, wait it out.
This is only for team games, in 1v1 there should be no way voids can beat hydras or even mutas in any realistic scenario