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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    ]If you never call someone on their threats how do you know if they'll ever really follow through?

    I think that is the issue some people are having with this.

    Playing chicken with the middle class and people near poverty is a bad fucking idea. I mean its all well and good for a bunch of white people who aren't about to be homeless to talk big about this, but quite another when its hand to mouth hope I can pay rent this month folks about to get fucked for you idealogical stand.

    Make them filibuster and be the people that are actively on CSPAN reading a phonebook to block that legislation.

    Maybe they'll do it and get fucking reamed. Maybe they'll back down because of the issues you just identified.

    Or maybe it doesn't matter what happens cause it nothing will change

    Or maybe it will just get spun as "Extremist Obama's unwillingness to reach across the aisle has forced us to defend america this way".

    It's not like the Democrats are going to suddenly become any good at PR when the Republicans inevitably carried through on the threat. It was a win-win scenario as far as the right was concerned, the only question was whether Obama wanted to risk pissing off the base with compromise or the moderates with idealist gridlock.

    The base at least might be convinced that re-electing Obama is a better choice than putting some idiot like Palin in office; the moderates are more likely to defect to the Republican ticket
    It will be spun as bad no matter what he does

    no matter what

    So It Goes on
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    Bama wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    the bloodelves are more evil than the trolls, I think, with the kidnapped naruu and all
    I was so pissed that Blood Elves were introduced to the Horde. Prior to the battle of Undercity, though, I'd say Forsaken were the most evil playable race and that whole story thread was Blizzard leaping furiously out of the corner they had written themselves into.

    If you play the zones in the north eastern kingdoms you find the forsaken are still really really really fucking evil.

    Horde only Sylvanas raid inc with Koltira as the new leader.
    These are cata quests? God damn it I was just getting ok w/ Forsaken and now they do this. Horde should just give up on Eastern Kingdoms altogether.

    Forsaken pretty much went ape shit on every alliance area in lorderon. Everything north of Arathi is forsaken ground except hearthglen and a few argent dawn areas. Great quest chains. Hillsbrad is laid to waste, Silverpine is a massive war zone. Western Plague lands are taken by the forsaken.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    i uh

    kind of agree a bit ludious

    and i feel a little bit the same way about goblins

    are they jews?

    please tell me that they're jews

    Irond Will on
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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    fairly certain cataclysm is trying to gear the horde up to be more "evil" than they have been previously
    Man, that would really piss me off.

    Bama on
  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    the republicans are, it seems to me, benefiting from quite the confluence of extraordinary events

    we have the age of mass media and sensationalism which gives far more coverage to the crazy tea partiers

    we have a major news network which is basically a tool of the crazies

    we have the tea partiers, fooled by aformentioned news network and coverage into thinking that the republicans in congress actually give a fuck about them

    and then we have the rich fat cats who are going along pushing through all the legislation they want, which actually screws over the average tea partier, but they keep electing them because socialism

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    fairly certain cataclysm is trying to gear the horde up to be more "evil" than they have been previously

    Not evil, just not earthy crunchy anymore. I prefer Garrosh to Jes..Thrall. Basically they tried to play nice and got fucked, so now its time to aggressively attack.

    Preacher on
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    i uh

    kind of agree a bit ludious

    and i feel a little bit the same way about goblins

    are they jews?

    please tell me that they're jews

    Goblins are jersey, not at all like jews (well traditional george lucas jew bashing). They are short italian sounding mafiso guys.

    Preacher on
    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    Http:// pleasepaypreacher.net
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    i uh

    kind of agree a bit ludious

    and i feel a little bit the same way about goblins

    are they jews?

    please tell me that they're jews

    EDIT: i am wrong

    Arch on
  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    edited December 2010
    I like Sylvanas. : (

    Arivia on
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  • VariableVariable Ted Hitler Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Preacher wrote: »
    In all fairness to democrats, republicans have an entire news station dedicated to spinning facts for them 24/7. The liberal media is a made up concept by republicans in the 90s. The media plays center right, with fox news goose stepping the way.

    Outside of creating a new media channel to do the opposite the noise is proudly republican in the american media.

    it was made up before the 90s

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Considering myself as a moderate (or centrist? I'm not sure which is more appropriate), I agree with this call for pragmatism.

    This said, I think the complaint about Obama I'd agree most with is that he hasn't really communicated what he's done or tried to do effectively, and why these are/would be good. Either that or the media are so entrenched in their narrative that any attempt he makes to do so gets ignored. Short of buying Fox News and encouraging a new editorial direction, I'm not sure how to combat this.

    I dunno. Have you watched the presidential weekly addresses or the white house whiteboard things? I mean, obama has gone berserk in doing congressional addresses to the point where even devotees have stopped watching them.

    I'm not really sure what he could have done differently. The media has been really problematic for years now. They chafed at being manipulated by clinton and constructed a lot of safeguards, and then kind of defensively recoiled from the controlled messaging of the Obama campaign. And at this point news outlets are divvied up into demographic feifdoms to the degree that city mice reading the NYT will be receiving fundamentally different information than flyover wide-loads watching fox news who will be receiving different information from the college kids and hippies reading the huffington post.

    Whereas the truly enlightened watch the BBC. :P

    RMS Oceanic on
  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I'm walkin' on sunshine!

    WOOOO OOOOO OOOOOO

    Silas Brown on
  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mike you're not going to get a political argument from gooey

    because liberal dogpile echo chamber
    i know, it always goes like this

    must be nice, being able to say controversial things and then never have to defend them

    MikeMan on
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  • MazzyxMazzyx I can dig it. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Actually the Republicans don't need to worry about the filibuster to ruin programs passed. They just defund them. As they have basically done to everyone they or their people disliked. Get control of congress, control the purse strings. Cut funding to a, b and c or lower it enough for it to fail. Then point out it failed. This is basically the idea of how a lot of our social programs are worthless has come about. Make them funded just enough to exist but not enough to have any real effect and when public opinion turns on them enough you remove them if you can and if not privatize them so the money goes to those who help pay your campaign.

    But hell who cares anymore now anyways. Because if you believe that the President has failed or hasn't tried or at least hasn't fought hard enough to at least give people the illusion he is on their side than you are wrong no matter what from what you guys are saying.

    I disagree with you Preach and Will. I understand that compromises need to be made. I know full damn well that we weren't going to get 100% out of the two wars draining the treasury, have nationalized healthcare in under a year or have a brand new set of new deal style stimulus with the tax increases on certain areas to pay for it along with full scale regulation of the banking and finical system and closing the loop holes that provide incentives to ship stuff overseas.

    But damn it if they went through and fought for these things and used the numbers and their "unprecedented majority" to hold the upper hand in negotiating and dictated some of the terms of the negotiation I would of been happier than I am now.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    fairly certain cataclysm is trying to gear the horde up to be more "evil" than they have been previously
    Man, that would really piss me off.

    The forsaken are evil. The rest of the horde is being set up as, "we didn't start this stuff but we'll tear off a motherfuckers head and shit down his esophagus if he fucks with us"

    See: Southern Barrens.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arivia wrote: »
    I like Sylvanas. : (

    She's pretty great, but I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be evil as fuck.

    Silas Brown on
  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited December 2010
    We'll see how this looks in another year

    after the GOP has greater numbers and knows they can blackmail the president anytime they want

    Because the implications of this compromise politically are just starting

    Nothing will pass that wasn't written by the pubs and handed to the dems.

    This is a goddamned joke.

    syndalis on
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    i uh

    kind of agree a bit ludious

    and i feel a little bit the same way about goblins

    are they jews?

    please tell me that they're jews

    EDIT: i am wrong

    Yeah maybe prior to the cata goblin rewrite you could almost say they were george lucas jew bashing. But with the goblin revamp now they are mafia based capitalists.

    Preacher on
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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Man, Garrosh was such a prick in WotLK. Really he and Varian needed to just fuck and get it over with then maybe run away together and let the grown ups run the factions.

    Bama on
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Variable wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    In all fairness to democrats, republicans have an entire news station dedicated to spinning facts for them 24/7. The liberal media is a made up concept by republicans in the 90s. The media plays center right, with fox news goose stepping the way.

    Outside of creating a new media channel to do the opposite the noise is proudly republican in the american media.

    it was made up before the 90s

    Agnew's "nattering nabobs of negativity".

    also I was thinking about trying another trial of WoW, but I didn't like it last time, so that probably will just be a few hours wasted

    Captain Carrot on
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Will I disagree with you. It became pretty clear when the votes for the stimulus were straight down party lines. The Republicans came out and said they will do everything in their power to block legislation. The town halls for health care, the major votes being strictly down party lines on pretty much everything. It was bright as day.

    I agree their should be negotiation thats politics. But when you have the upper hand in votes and in public backing you should go with everything you want and work from there. He tended to go, drop all but the minimal, give the Republicans everything they wanted and still tended not to pull any from their side.

    I am sorry Will I think you are rallying against the wrong thing here. This is just the latest of having the upper hand. The people were with him to drop the bush tax cuts if it came to that. His party was with him. Instead he sets up an agreement that not only extends what he has platformed against. It extends them to end right at the Presidential election so that the Republicans can hammer him again and again for not making them permanent or if he even says one thing about letting them slip or repealing them.

    He has been outplayed or he just can't play the game. At this point letting the Republicans run the game for the last two years has basically what has buried him. And he lost the house partially because of it. And also because he has been horrible as Synd said at presenting the things he has done.

    Really with this tax thing the house passed an extension for the middle class and small businesses while cutting out those top 3%. If he was smart he would of pressed hard on the Senate for this. And when it didn't pass with a full vote of 58 to 42 he could of smeared it all over the Republicans but didn't.

    Politics is as much about what you accomplish as it is tactics and holding power and he fucking sucks at it.

    so you would be okay with UI extensions being dropped in order to make a point?

    how about disability cuts? how about college funding?

    who do you think would be blamed for this? do you think that the country would blame the republicans?

    i don't.

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  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    fairly certain cataclysm is trying to gear the horde up to be more "evil" than they have been previously
    Man, that would really piss me off.
    Yeah one of the coolest parts of WoW for me has been that the Horde are not necessarily tremendously evil. Just misunderstood. Both sides have their powerful leaders, and both sides have their assholes. But both sides fight against the truly evil things.

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  • VariableVariable Ted Hitler Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I know virtually nothing of the wow story/lore

    what do you all like read the quest text or something? where does all this come from

    I just like looking at the pretty colors

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    Man, Garrosh was such a prick in WotLK. Really he and Varian needed to just fuck and get it over with then maybe run away together and let the grown ups run the factions.

    After Cairne gets killed Garrosh clears up a bit. He's still not a nice guy, but he's more rational and pragmatic now.

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  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Variable wrote: »
    I know virtually nothing of the wow story/lore

    what do you all like read the quest text or something? where does all this come from

    I just like looking at the pretty colors
    I really dug WoW's lore.

    MikeMan on
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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Starve The Beast is an incredibly hard strategy to combat if you can't regain long-term control of both houses of congress

    it's entirely predicated on making the government into a useless pile of shit, getting people mad about said shit, and using those angry votes to create more shit

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    They killed Cairne?

    Fuck you Blizzard.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    Man, Garrosh was such a prick in WotLK. Really he and Varian needed to just fuck and get it over with then maybe run away together and let the grown ups run the factions.

    He was, and still kind of is in Cata. But honestly the horde needs a dick like him to set some shit straight. Thrall let so much dumb fuckery occur under his watch that Garrosh got handed a shit sandwhich. Now he's all balls to the wall lets take some fucking territory and remind the alliance why they used to fear the god damn horde.

    Preacher on
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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arivia wrote: »
    I like Sylvanas. : (

    She's pretty great, but I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be evil as fuck.

    Of course she's evil. Have you seen what the Forsaken have done? They aren't any better than Arthas

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    i still maintain that WoW's dwarves have the best lore and they largely subvert traditional dwarven stereotypes in most cases

    Arch on
  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    alright, time to run errands. peace, chat.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Why elect Dems at all then will?

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  • VariableVariable Ted Hitler Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    I know virtually nothing of the wow story/lore

    what do you all like read the quest text or something? where does all this come from

    I just like looking at the pretty colors
    I really dug WoW's lore.

    it seems cool

    I just never spent time on it

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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    After Cairne gets killed
    WHAT?

    Bama on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Variable wrote: »
    I know virtually nothing of the wow story/lore

    what do you all like read the quest text or something? where does all this come from

    I just like looking at the pretty colors

    Quest text, especially in the new old world really fills in gaps. Also on quests where you aquire letters and stuff for objectives those usually can also be read and fill in gaps on things.

    Preacher on
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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arivia wrote: »
    I like Sylvanas. : (

    She's pretty great, but I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be evil as fuck.

    Of course she's evil. Have you seen what the Forsaken have done? They aren't any better than Arthas

    not really. I'm not a super nerd who has the list of deeds memorized. I think I maybe read two of the quests I did from 1 - 70.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited December 2010
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    ]If you never call someone on their threats how do you know if they'll ever really follow through?

    I think that is the issue some people are having with this.

    Playing chicken with the middle class and people near poverty is a bad fucking idea. I mean its all well and good for a bunch of white people who aren't about to be homeless to talk big about this, but quite another when its hand to mouth hope I can pay rent this month folks about to get fucked for you idealogical stand.

    Make them filibuster and be the people that are actively on CSPAN reading a phonebook to block that legislation.

    Maybe they'll do it and get fucking reamed. Maybe they'll back down because of the issues you just identified.

    Or maybe it doesn't matter what happens cause it nothing will change

    they won't read phonebooks. that age is behind us.

    they will present slick presentations from Cato or AEI or whatever and gripe about how the question is not settled and debate is necessary and why are the democrats trying to squelch their voices and pass legislation in the dark of night or whatever.

    they will have literally as much airtime as they want to do this, and they only need one republican in the chamber. meanwhile the other 47 can be off fundraising, gladhanding, campaigning or just taking a vacation. of course there will need to be a quorum of dems hanging in the chambers and watching the show.

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  • VariableVariable Ted Hitler Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Starve The Beast is an incredibly hard strategy to combat if you can't regain long-term control of both houses of congress

    it's entirely predicated on making the government into a useless pile of shit, getting people mad about said shit, and using those angry votes to create more shit

    they already thrive on people being mad at the government... I have never understood it and I'm sure I never will but it seems to be the pub strategy. government is evil so you better elect us.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    After Cairne gets killed
    WHAT?

    the grimtotems poison him when he duels garrosh and garrosh kills him

    Arch on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    After Cairne gets killed
    WHAT?

    It was a pissing contest between Cairne and Garrosh, the grimtotems poisoned garrosh's weapon so it was an unfair fight and Garrosh ended up killing Cairne. Thunderbluff is now run by his son Baine who's a sunwalker.

    Preacher on
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