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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »
    I don't whip out my penis at work. Does that mean I have artistic integrity?

    I don't know. Are you a young woman trying to sustain a successful career in music?


    Because if so, some of your fans might be disappointed to find out you have a penis.

    When I think of a young female artist showing off her nethers to attract attention, I think Courtney Love. I saw that shit as a young man at Lollapalooza 1995. It horrified me.

    Do young female musicians often show their pussies to the general public? If so, please PM me some links so I can do some proper research. :winky:

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    agentk13agentk13 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    agentk13 wrote: »
    It's a slightly different mix of sarcasm, passive aggression, and general bitchiness for each character. The weighting was heavier toward the latter two for Summer and Trilian, and heavier toward the former for the chick with the elf fetish, but it's all basically the same person.

    So your saying she be a better actress if she would show her vag?

    We're not talking about how you feel about her, we're talking about things you have to do to be successful, which some intimated that it was almost imperative for young women to over-sexualize themselves to gain any measure of success in the arts.

    Deschanel proves that's not true, as do many other women, like Meryl Streep, Michelle Williams, Anne Hathaway, . . . . the list goes on.


    Hollywood always gives women the choice to show their vag in exchange for instant fame. And it lasts just about as long as a minute.

    I didn't say any measure of success.

    I said mainstream, commercial success on a large scale. You're also bringing in actors which is a different ball game. I was, and always have been referring to music.

    But this isn't really on topic.

    There was an interesting article about the phenomenon in the Times. Apperantly, the "show your vag" tactic is almost totally limited to child/teenage stars passing into adulthood, largely because they're the ones who need to escape the age ghetto. It's the music version of the way actors like to show up in hilariously artsy award bait every so often so they can insist that they're "serious" when people start making fun of them.

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    SkyGheNeSkyGheNe Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    agentk13 wrote: »
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    agentk13 wrote: »
    It's a slightly different mix of sarcasm, passive aggression, and general bitchiness for each character. The weighting was heavier toward the latter two for Summer and Trilian, and heavier toward the former for the chick with the elf fetish, but it's all basically the same person.

    So your saying she be a better actress if she would show her vag?

    We're not talking about how you feel about her, we're talking about things you have to do to be successful, which some intimated that it was almost imperative for young women to over-sexualize themselves to gain any measure of success in the arts.

    Deschanel proves that's not true, as do many other women, like Meryl Streep, Michelle Williams, Anne Hathaway, . . . . the list goes on.


    Hollywood always gives women the choice to show their vag in exchange for instant fame. And it lasts just about as long as a minute.

    I didn't say any measure of success.

    I said mainstream, commercial success on a large scale. You're also bringing in actors which is a different ball game. I was, and always have been referring to music.

    But this isn't really on topic.

    There was an interesting article about the phenomenon in the Times. Apperantly, the "show your vag" tactic is almost totally limited to child/teenage stars passing into adulthood, largely because they're the ones who need to escape the age ghetto. It's the music version of the way actors like to show up in hilariously artsy award bait every so often so they can insist that they're "serious" when people start making fun of them.

    Definitely an issue. You should check out Dreamworlds 3 if you haven't already.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Do young female musicians often show their pussies to the general public? If so, please PM me some links so I can do some proper research. :winky:

    With the exception of Brittney and a handful of others, I'm using the term broadly to explain female artists leaning so heavily on the sexuality crutch.

    Looking sexy is sexy, but looking sexy while not actively trying to look sexy is way sexier.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-december-9-2010-edmund-morris

    Part 2.

    Saying the civil war was over slavery isn't "politically" correct.

    It's correct correct.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-december-9-2010-edmund-morris

    Part 2.

    Saying the civil war was over slavery isn't "politically" correct.

    It's correct correct.

    I've always felt like that Simpsons episode nailed it, where Apu was called in to verify his citizenship by stating US history facts.

    "What was the Civil War about?"

    "Actually, there were numerous causes. Aside from the obvious schism between the abolitionists and the anti-abolitionists, there were economic factors, both domestic and inter--"

    "Just say slavery, OK?"


    The Civil War was about slavery, but not like in an awesome Moses v. Pharoah kind of way. In a shitty political way over economics and feuds over federal authority.

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    well right, a slavery based economic system and the authority to regulate or ban slavery

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    agentk13agentk13 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Do young female musicians often show their pussies to the general public? If so, please PM me some links so I can do some proper research. :winky:

    With the exception of Brittney and a handful of others, I'm using the term broadly to explain female artists leaning so heavily on the sexuality crutch.

    Looking sexy is sexy, but looking sexy while not actively trying to look sexy is way sexier.

    I like to think you tell your wife she's trying too hard whenever she wants to have sex with her.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    agentk13 wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Do young female musicians often show their pussies to the general public? If so, please PM me some links so I can do some proper research. :winky:

    With the exception of Brittney and a handful of others, I'm using the term broadly to explain female artists leaning so heavily on the sexuality crutch.

    Looking sexy is sexy, but looking sexy while not actively trying to look sexy is way sexier.

    I like to think you tell your wife she's trying too hard whenever she wants to have sex with her.

    Miley Cyrus's "edgy" look seems ill-advised to me. I mean, I guess she could do sexy, but the obviously sexy outfits she donned for it really don't work with her body type.

    There's also a fair selection of just general fail: anything which looks like a swimsuit isn't sexy because it's too obviously controlled. For a reference see Beyonce in "Naughty Girl"'s video clip.

    EDIT: Basically it's all about what you can't see, but think you might be able to see.

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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Indeed Theiss Titillation Theory

    edit: removed the TV-tropes link.

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    Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »

    Come on dude! This is the PC thread, but more importantly, it's Saturday and I had shit to do!

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    agentk13agentk13 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »

    Of course, that article neglects to note that you can wear flattering clothing that accentuates the breasts and suppresses the waist through lines and shit while nude has to be as-is. That's why there's a minimum length on short-shorts for women who still have to worry about the appearance of "Thundera thighs."

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »

    God fucking damn it I'm still reading that.

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    enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Deebaser wrote: »

    Damnit, you gotta mark that as TVTropes. I just spent the whole morning on that site.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    enc0re wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »

    Damnit, you gotta mark that as TVTropes. I just spent the whole morning on that site.

    Seriously: it's 4am and I just finished reading it.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2010
    agentk13 wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Do young female musicians often show their pussies to the general public? If so, please PM me some links so I can do some proper research. :winky:

    With the exception of Brittney and a handful of others, I'm using the term broadly to explain female artists leaning so heavily on the sexuality crutch.

    Looking sexy is sexy, but looking sexy while not actively trying to look sexy is way sexier.

    I like to think you tell your wife she's trying too hard whenever she wants to have sex with her.

    I know I tell her she's trying too hard when she wants to have sex with me.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2010
    Also, we're seeing some topic drift here. As much as I enjoy reading about Zooey Deschanel and her vag, that doesn't really have much to do with being PC.

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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I am so sorry. I wasn't thinking.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2010
    To atone, you must show me your vag.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    To atone, you must show me your vag.

    You don't want to. His vag is retarded.

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    mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    She's pretty, but that's about it. I didn't know she was a vocalist until, like, yesterday.

    Well here you go.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1_C0qV94bg

    That cover is dildos. dildos. dildos. dildos.

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    While the topic has drifted considerably from the original question posed in the OP, allow me to bring it back around. I work at the Greenwood Genetic Center in South Carolina as a Genetics grad student. I do not even work with the people who have intellectual disability, or ID, and I can tell you that those of you complaining are some heartless bastards. Most of the people we work with do not just have ID, but a whole host of other problems as well. Can you even imagine what it is like to have a child born who is going to be crippled intellectually for life? I am also a new father, my son is less then 3 months old, and I had to leave several meetings discussing patients just thinking about what that might be like. If something as simple as this makes the patients, and their families feel even a little bit better, are you really going to complain?

    On a side note the scientific community had pretty much stopped using mentally retarded, and replaced it with ID many years ago. So really this is just the government catching up with what the people who work with these individuals have already done.

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    ChillyWillyChillyWilly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Umm...none of us were complaining (not that I read, anyway). Just wondering out loud if it will really matter all that much in the long run.

    Thanks for the needless insult, though. :rotate:

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    tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    furlion wrote: »
    While the topic has drifted considerably from the original question posed in the OP, allow me to bring it back around. I work at the Greenwood Genetic Center in South Carolina as a Genetics grad student. I do not even work with the people who have intellectual disability, or ID, and I can tell you that those of you complaining are some heartless bastards. Most of the people we work with do not just have ID, but a whole host of other problems as well. Can you even imagine what it is like to have a child born who is going to be crippled intellectually for life? I am also a new father, my son is less then 3 months old, and I had to leave several meetings discussing patients just thinking about what that might be like. If something as simple as this makes the patients, and their families feel even a little bit better, are you really going to complain?

    On a side note the scientific community had pretty much stopped using mentally retarded, and replaced it with ID many years ago. So really this is just the government catching up with what the people who work with these individuals have already done.

    I believe we covered both the scientific term->insult cycle, and the American addiction to using euphemisms to hide from reality in previous posts. Thanks for your contribution.

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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Drez wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    To atone, you must show me your vag.

    You don't want to. His vag is retarded.

    ^This post is magical.

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    FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    To me, words are just words and people can either give them power or ignore them.

    I'm sure someone's brought this up already, but this is a pet-peeve of mine so whatever.

    I bet it's really easy for you to say that words are just words when you almost surely are someone for whom there are no meaningfully hurtful or derogatory terms. Maybe you would feel differently if you were a member of an oppressed group and people regularly hurled certain words at you with venom and hatred, amplified and expressed through the word they had chosen specifically for its ability to insult and demean.

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I was wondering why my college's library was clearing-out all the books about mental retardation. One of them had the hilariously offensive title "Educating the Trainable Mental Retard".

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    Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I was wondering why my college's library was clearing-out all the books about mental retardation. One of them had the hilariously offensive title "Educating the Trainable Mental Retard".
    Funny, that's the name of the training manual for members of Congress.

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    ChillyWillyChillyWilly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Fartacus wrote: »
    To me, words are just words and people can either give them power or ignore them.

    I'm sure someone's brought this up already

    Yeah, they did. Read the thread.

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    edited December 2010
    Bama wrote: »
    She's pretty, but that's about it. I didn't know she was a vocalist until, like, yesterday.

    Well here you go.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1_C0qV94bg

    You know that bit in Elf where she's singing "It's Cold Outside" in the shower?

    That's her voice.

    I was like :shock: when I found that out.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I mean, it's not like they don't have her singing in every movie she's in.

    I totally love Zooey Deschanel...

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    tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Since everyone wants to talk music

    on topic:
    NSFW NSFW NSFW
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6PGzC6_WMw

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    mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Since everyone wants to talk music

    on topic:
    NSFW NSFW NSFW
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6PGzC6_WMw

    Thank you. This is more art than anything Zooey could ever hope to put together.

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    adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    ^ first thing I thought of when someone mentioned window lickers earlier in the thread.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Every new PC term just gives drill sergeants more ammo to insult the new trainees.

    Seriously, these people are highly creative insultors.

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    [Tycho?][Tycho?] As elusive as doubt Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    adytum wrote: »
    The term has changed from cretin to idiot to imbecile to moron to retarded to intellectually disabled.

    Each word was coopted into an insult and subsequently changed to the next iteration in hopes of avoiding the negative stigma.

    That's worked out well, and I expect it to continue working out well in the future.

    This is my opinion as well.

    I eagerly await the day when "special needs" is common insult.

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    JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    It already is.

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    DrukDruk Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I dunno, just imagine saying "special needs" with an obvious sarcastic tone to someone. It sounds more like innuendo than an insult.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think the idea with these terms is to make them less handy as insults.

    Fag and Retard are perfect for insults, they're easy to say and probably for other reasons I can't articulate properly.

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    DraculaDracula DARCUL DAS WAMPY Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    There is a local building titled the Mental Retardation Association. Now they will hopefully change the name.

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