Why is there all this hoopla about repealing the healthcare bill? Even if it cleared the House there's no way the Senate would look at that. Is this anything other than dick-waving?
I think the idea is to make to people who vote it down later look bad. "We tried to repeal Obamacare and do what we were elected to do but Senator _____ voted against it 15 times. A vote for Senator _____ is a vote for stagnation."
Why is there all this hoopla about repealing the healthcare bill? Even if it cleared the House there's no way the Senate would look at that. Is this anything other than dick-waving?
I think the idea is to make to people who vote it down later look bad. "We tried to repeal Obamacare and do what we were elected to do but Senator _____ voted against it 15 times. A vote for Senator _____ is a vote for stagnation."
I would love for them to have 20 "Repeal Job-Killing Obamacare Act of 2011" bills and zero "Actually Create Some Goddamned Jobs" bills on the record. PRIORITIES!!!
Why is there all this hoopla about repealing the healthcare bill? Even if it cleared the House there's no way the Senate would look at that. Is this anything other than dick-waving?
It's the same thing Gingrich did. Pass all the different campaign pledges before the new Senate gets seated and starts looking at you funny so you can say that you tried. Then, next month after everything is dead, stop caring.
Deacon, you claim the GOP was doing what they thought was best for the country. You claim they are acting in a good faith opposition to the Dem ideas.
So how do you explain three events:
Their opposition to Pay-Go
The blocking of repeal of an HCR provision that they claim was too onerous, which the Dems eventually agreed on.
Their opposition to HCR, a bill very much like the one they proposed in 94 and nearly identical to one they got in Massachusetts. A bill they helped write from the beginning.
Why is there all this hoopla about repealing the healthcare bill? Even if it cleared the House there's no way the Senate would look at that. Is this anything other than dick-waving?
It's the same thing Gingrich did. Pass all the different campaign pledges before the new Senate gets seated and starts looking at you funny so you can say that you tried. Then, next month after everything is dead, stop caring.
I'm not sure forcing a government shutdown over some of those things really counts as "stop caring" though.
Why is there all this hoopla about repealing the healthcare bill? Even if it cleared the House there's no way the Senate would look at that. Is this anything other than dick-waving?
It's the same thing Gingrich did. Pass all the different campaign pledges before the new Senate gets seated and starts looking at you funny so you can say that you tried. Then, next month after everything is dead, stop caring.
I'm not sure forcing a government shutdown over some of those things really counts as "stop caring" though.
I'm not sure.
We're actually asked you about doubts we have regarding the GOP acting in good faith, perhaps you could respond to them?
Why is there all this hoopla about repealing the healthcare bill? Even if it cleared the House there's no way the Senate would look at that. Is this anything other than dick-waving?
It's the same thing Gingrich did. Pass all the different campaign pledges before the new Senate gets seated and starts looking at you funny so you can say that you tried. Then, next month after everything is dead, stop caring.
I'm not sure forcing a government shutdown over some of those things really counts as "stop caring" though.
Deacon, you claim the GOP was doing what they thought was best for the country. You claim they are acting in a good faith opposition to the Dem ideas.
So how do you explain three events:
Their opposition to Pay-Go
The blocking of repeal of an HCR provision that they claim was too onerous, which the Dems eventually agreed on.
Their opposition to HCR, a bill very much like the one they proposed in 94 and nearly identical to one they got in Massachusetts. A bill they helped write from the beginning.
If the Repubs have the stones to do that little dance again, they'll certainly deserve whatever is coming to them.
Can't see Obama letting it get that far to be honest.
Although really that's the first really big challenge Boehner's facing - there are definitely some people on the right willing to take that fight to the mats.
If the Repubs have the stones to do that little dance again, they'll certainly deserve whatever is coming to them.
Can't see Obama letting it get that far to be honest.
Although really that's the first really big challenge Boehner's facing - there are definitely some people on the right willing to take that fight to the mats.
If the Repubs have the stones to do that little dance again, they'll certainly deserve whatever is coming to them.
Can't see Obama letting it get that far to be honest.
Although really that's the first really big challenge Boehner's facing - there are definitely some people on the right willing to take that fight to the mats.
Why is there all this hoopla about repealing the healthcare bill? Even if it cleared the House there's no way the Senate would look at that. Is this anything other than dick-waving?
It's the same thing Gingrich did. Pass all the different campaign pledges before the new Senate gets seated and starts looking at you funny so you can say that you tried. Then, next month after everything is dead, stop caring.
I'm not sure forcing a government shutdown over some of those things really counts as "stop caring" though.
Deacon, you claim the GOP was doing what they thought was best for the country. You claim they are acting in a good faith opposition to the Dem ideas.
So how do you explain three events:
Their opposition to Pay-Go
The blocking of repeal of an HCR provision that they claim was too onerous, which the Dems eventually agreed on.
Their opposition to HCR, a bill very much like the one they proposed in 94 and nearly identical to one they got in Massachusetts. A bill they helped write from the beginning.
Why is there all this hoopla about repealing the healthcare bill? Even if it cleared the House there's no way the Senate would look at that. Is this anything other than dick-waving?
It's the same thing Gingrich did. Pass all the different campaign pledges before the new Senate gets seated and starts looking at you funny so you can say that you tried. Then, next month after everything is dead, stop caring.
I'm not sure forcing a government shutdown over some of those things really counts as "stop caring" though.
I'm not sure.
We're actually asked you about doubts we have regarding the GOP acting in good faith, perhaps you could respond to them?
The man pretended to be a black woman. I'm not sure why you people continue in this charade that he'll ever post in good faith. He's a troll. End of story.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Also, I'm wondering how long those quote trees will get before Deacon deigns to acknowledge them...
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Also, I'm wondering how long those quote trees will get before Deacon deigns to acknowledge them...
He never will. Playing with the libs is too much fun.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
Wonder what'll be like when he was already elected by a landslide the first time?
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
But also the formation of a Republican power base that lasted for like 15 years.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
But also the formation of a Republican power base that lasted for like 15 years.
Compared to shit like the New Deal coalition and the Solid South, that's pretty small potatoes.
Also, are you ever going to answer Sammich's questions?
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
But also the formation of a Republican power base that lasted for like 15 years.
Deacon, I know you're here.
Please respond to the question regarding your claims of the GOP's intent.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
Wonder what'll be like when he was already elected by a landslide the first time?
I don't see him outperforming the '08 map by much. That was a pretty epic map.
Just about the only place he could really pick one up is Missouri.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Given the newest round of staff shake-ups it looks like he isn't going to be all that invested in what the new Congress does at all. If something good comes out of it, great, but otherwise he'll be focusing more on Executive type stuff.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
Wonder what'll be like when he was already elected by a landslide the first time?
I don't see him outperforming the '08 map by much. That was a pretty epic map.
Just about the only place he could really pick one up is Missouri.
If nothing else, FL is in play, and given current demographic trends, it's going to be a hard fought battle.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
But also the formation of a Republican power base that lasted for like 15 years.
Yes, because nothing happened in 2001 that ressurected an already dying presidency and party. Nope, can't think of anything.
Also, Bush lost the popular vote, so you can't really place too much blame for his initial election on Clinton. Clinton was once again popular by then and barely mentioned by the GOP.
Montana and Georgia were also pretty close, and Arizona would have been 2 or 3 points if McCain hadn't been the nominee.
Georgia's Democratic population is like 96% African American. If turnout in Atlanta didn't swing the state last time it's unlikely to this next time around, if only because the voting lines will be virtually identical.
My impression is that Montana Democrats are experiencing all kinds of enthusiasm depressions right now, partially as a result of their Senators' performances during lame duck.
Of course, the electoral process is insanely complex and the elections are still two years away. Anything could happen.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
Part of the reason the government shutdown backfired on the Rs back in the Clinton Administration was that the press got Gingrich to say that the shutdown was at least partially motivated by Gingrich's personal animosity towards Clinton over a perceived disrespect from Clinton. Then Clinton was able to hit back, over and over, with "Rs are cutting off your Social Security checks because of Gingrich holding a personal grudge!" Until Gingrich's bad quote, when it was supposedly about policy, public opinion on the shutdown apportioned blame based on party lines - Rs backed Rs, Ds backed Ds and as a result it was a pretty equal standoff. Wikipedia:
The Republicans' support was further diminished two days later when Gingrich made a widely-reported complaint about being snubbed by Clinton; Tom DeLay called it "the mistake of his [Gingrich's] life". DeLay writes in his book No Retreat, No Surrender: "He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One... Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same." Gingrich's complaint gave rise to the perception of his behaving in a petty egotistical manner, and Clinton defended the seating arrangement as a courtesy to Gingrich, the back of the plane being closer to his pickup car. Later, the polls suggested that the event badly damaged Gingrich politically.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
Part of the reason the government shutdown backfired on the Rs back in the Clinton Administration was that the press got Gingrich to say that the shutdown was at least partially motivated by Gingrich's personal animosity towards Clinton over a perceived disrespect from Clinton. Then Clinton was able to hit back, over and over, with "Rs are cutting off your Social Security checks because of Gingrich holding a personal grudge!" Until Gingrich's bad quote, when it was supposedly about policy, public opinion on the shutdown apportioned blame based on party lines - Rs backed Rs, Ds backed Ds and as a result it was a pretty equal standoff. Wikipedia:
The Republicans' support was further diminished two days later when Gingrich made a widely-reported complaint about being snubbed by Clinton; Tom DeLay called it "the mistake of his [Gingrich's] life". DeLay writes in his book No Retreat, No Surrender: "He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One... Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same." Gingrich's complaint gave rise to the perception of his behaving in a petty egotistical manner, and Clinton defended the seating arrangement as a courtesy to Gingrich, the back of the plane being closer to his pickup car. Later, the polls suggested that the event badly damaged Gingrich politically.
Yes, but Clinton's '96 run wasn't against Gingrich. Dole, while tangentially connected with the Gingrich fluff, wasn't nearly as negatively impacted by it. He just straight lost that election.
And let's not forget that Clinton was unpopular enough with the Democratic base at that point that people were threatening to primary him. The only guy who did was Lyndon LaRouche (who was in jail at the time).
Montana and Georgia were also pretty close, and Arizona would have been 2 or 3 points if McCain hadn't been the nominee.
Georgia's Democratic population is like 96% African American. If turnout in Atlanta didn't swing the state last time it's unlikely to this next time around, if only because the voting lines will be virtually identical.
Well, not quite identical, because there will have been four more years of old conservatives dying/being unable to vote and young liberals registering.
Obama really doesn't have to do anything, and given that Clinton already won this same argument by letting the GOP hang itself by its own rope, there's no good reason to expect him to do anything differently.
Exactly. We've already been down this road. It ends with the Democratic President being re-elected by a landslide.
Part of the reason the government shutdown backfired on the Rs back in the Clinton Administration was that the press got Gingrich to say that the shutdown was at least partially motivated by Gingrich's personal animosity towards Clinton over a perceived disrespect from Clinton. Then Clinton was able to hit back, over and over, with "Rs are cutting off your Social Security checks because of Gingrich holding a personal grudge!" Until Gingrich's bad quote, when it was supposedly about policy, public opinion on the shutdown apportioned blame based on party lines - Rs backed Rs, Ds backed Ds and as a result it was a pretty equal standoff. Wikipedia:
The Republicans' support was further diminished two days later when Gingrich made a widely-reported complaint about being snubbed by Clinton; Tom DeLay called it "the mistake of his [Gingrich's] life". DeLay writes in his book No Retreat, No Surrender: "He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One... Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same." Gingrich's complaint gave rise to the perception of his behaving in a petty egotistical manner, and Clinton defended the seating arrangement as a courtesy to Gingrich, the back of the plane being closer to his pickup car. Later, the polls suggested that the event badly damaged Gingrich politically.
Except that today is not 1994 and so the likely reactions will be more than a bit different. Not to mention the likelihood of one of the newly elected crazies saying something stupid.
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I think the idea is to make to people who vote it down later look bad. "We tried to repeal Obamacare and do what we were elected to do but Senator _____ voted against it 15 times. A vote for Senator _____ is a vote for stagnation."
Wait
They are literally reading the constitution aloud in original form?
What are they and aren't they reading?
I would love for them to have 20 "Repeal Job-Killing Obamacare Act of 2011" bills and zero "Actually Create Some Goddamned Jobs" bills on the record. PRIORITIES!!!
It's the same thing Gingrich did. Pass all the different campaign pledges before the new Senate gets seated and starts looking at you funny so you can say that you tried. Then, next month after everything is dead, stop caring.
And all the amendments except the second and tenth.
I'm not sure forcing a government shutdown over some of those things really counts as "stop caring" though.
I'm not sure.
We're actually asked you about doubts we have regarding the GOP acting in good faith, perhaps you could respond to them?
History defined as only the things you like to remember.
Can't see Obama letting it get that far to be honest.
Although really that's the first really big challenge Boehner's facing - there are definitely some people on the right willing to take that fight to the mats.
Which would be stupid.
Obama can't make them raise the ceiling.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
The man pretended to be a black woman. I'm not sure why you people continue in this charade that he'll ever post in good faith. He's a troll. End of story.
Also, I'm wondering how long those quote trees will get before Deacon deigns to acknowledge them...
Be polite.
Ask him nicely to respond.
He clearly enjoys baiting people into infractable posting.
Not trying to harass him, just get him to respond to a question.
He never will. Playing with the libs is too much fun.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Wonder what'll be like when he was already elected by a landslide the first time?
But also the formation of a Republican power base that lasted for like 15 years.
I doubt it's infractable, and, I mean, hey, if it worked for Paxman...
Compared to shit like the New Deal coalition and the Solid South, that's pretty small potatoes.
Also, are you ever going to answer Sammich's questions?
Deacon, I know you're here.
Please respond to the question regarding your claims of the GOP's intent.
Just about the only place he could really pick one up is Missouri.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Given the newest round of staff shake-ups it looks like he isn't going to be all that invested in what the new Congress does at all. If something good comes out of it, great, but otherwise he'll be focusing more on Executive type stuff.
If nothing else, FL is in play, and given current demographic trends, it's going to be a hard fought battle.
Yes, because nothing happened in 2001 that ressurected an already dying presidency and party. Nope, can't think of anything.
Also, Bush lost the popular vote, so you can't really place too much blame for his initial election on Clinton. Clinton was once again popular by then and barely mentioned by the GOP.
My impression is that Montana Democrats are experiencing all kinds of enthusiasm depressions right now, partially as a result of their Senators' performances during lame duck.
Of course, the electoral process is insanely complex and the elections are still two years away. Anything could happen.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Part of the reason the government shutdown backfired on the Rs back in the Clinton Administration was that the press got Gingrich to say that the shutdown was at least partially motivated by Gingrich's personal animosity towards Clinton over a perceived disrespect from Clinton. Then Clinton was able to hit back, over and over, with "Rs are cutting off your Social Security checks because of Gingrich holding a personal grudge!" Until Gingrich's bad quote, when it was supposedly about policy, public opinion on the shutdown apportioned blame based on party lines - Rs backed Rs, Ds backed Ds and as a result it was a pretty equal standoff. Wikipedia:
And let's not forget that Clinton was unpopular enough with the Democratic base at that point that people were threatening to primary him. The only guy who did was Lyndon LaRouche (who was in jail at the time).
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Except that today is not 1994 and so the likely reactions will be more than a bit different. Not to mention the likelihood of one of the newly elected crazies saying something stupid.
...Gingrich doesn't run for President, he runs for the NYT Best Seller's List.
He has one of the largest PACs at the moment.
I think Mittens is the the biggest though.
He is either wrong, or will wish he was.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.