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COLLEGE FOOTBALL 2010: Auburn 22, Oregon 19. Now begins the long, long offseason

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2011
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    I guess because I live in a place dominated by Iowa fans the most I hear is bitching about how half the team is about to get busted for failing a drug test or something. And then basketball season starts and all the Iowa fans go into hibernation and the Illinois fans magically appear.

    Yeah, I mean, it is a stereotype, after all. Wisconsin was a huge, fun-first team but they broke 60 a few times this year (and put 80-something on hapless Indiana), Michigan was a wide-open spread team (though they may not be anymore), Ohio State was dynamic when they felt like it, and Northwestern and Michigan State liked to throw the ball more often than not.

    I don't have a characterization for Illinois football because, well, I'm not sure Ron Zook knew what their offensive philosophy was supposed to be either.

    I thought they were a spread offense, but I don't really like to watch that team play most of the time

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    ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yeah, that's part of why I'm not sure what they ran.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2011
    I know that one guy ran for 330 yards in wrigley field

    and that is all I know about illinois football other than that they won a bowl game

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    is the big ten really smug

    because I don't see how that would be possible given their collective performances

    Big Ten fans could be the smuggest fans. Hell, the letter that the Ohio State president wrote about non-AQ teams just oozed smug.

    Also, Pac 10 fans are easily the most laid-back in the country. That's why there isn't a ton of Pac-10 pride like you see in the SEC. If anything, most of us share a common hatred for Oregon and USC, and would rather see them fail then succeed (I guess to a lesser extent this applies to UCLA but we've been so god-awful for so long people stopped caring).

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2011
    right I know about the ohio state president being a huge toolbox but again maybe I'm not in the right part of big ten country

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    ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I mean, we are talking about a conference that just decided "East" and "West" weren't good enough division names.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2011
    see what you guys call smug I just saw as stupidity, possibly because I wasn't paying attention

    although maybe it's both

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Deciding to name your conferences "Leaders" and "Legends" doesn't strike you as smug or self-serving?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    I mean, we are talking about a conference that just decided "East" and "West" weren't good enough division names.

    LEGENDS

    and

    LEADERS

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    At least the SEC had the decency to stick with East and West.

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    ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    I mean, we are talking about a conference that just decided "East" and "West" weren't good enough division names.

    LEGENDS

    and

    LEADERS

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    ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nirya wrote: »
    At least the SEC had the decency to stick with East and West.

    Yeah, I was like, "Man, I really hope they learned something from the ACC and just stick with geography."

    And then they not only didn't learn anything, they managed to come up with something worse than "Atlantic" and "Coastal".

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2011
    Nirya wrote: »
    Deciding to name your conferences "Leaders" and "Legends" doesn't strike you as smug or self-serving?

    It just seemed about as idiotic as calling your twelve team conference the Big Ten, to me. I mean, I guess I just associate smugness with success, which would pretty much make me think of SEC fans first in that regard. But I'm definitely seeing your point.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2011
    And before you say anything, I think the SEC has probably earned the right to be smug

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The Big 10's smugness is based on past success, not current success.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2011
    Clearly.

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    ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Also, whoever ddloris is on Yahoo!, they won the bowl pick'em with 20 of 35 picks correct and a total of 416 points. Congrats!

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yay! I am the winner!

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    SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    Which is what I don't get about the conference pride angle here. If UGA were in this game I would hope they get pounded 221-0, even if we were in the SEC. Maybe that's just me.

    :^: Don't want them to get the record, after all.

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I will root against UGA under any circumstances. With most teams it's like "Oh I don't like you we have a rivalry haha let's all drink together"

    I've never met a Georgia fan I didn't actively hate. I know there must be some UGA fans that aren't terrible, shitty people who deserve to be summarily executed, but I haven't met any of them.

    Like an unfortunately large number of Georgia Tech alumni, you've never met a Georgia Fan you didn't actively hate because everyone who is even semi-likable would more than likely stay the hell away from someone with that sort of attitude.

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    thanimationsthanimations Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nirya wrote: »
    is the big ten really smug

    because I don't see how that would be possible given their collective performances

    Big Ten fans could be the smuggest fans. Hell, the letter that the Ohio State president wrote about non-AQ teams just oozed smug.

    Also, Pac 10 fans are easily the most laid-back in the country. That's why there isn't a ton of Pac-10 pride like you see in the SEC. If anything, most of us share a common hatred for Oregon and USC, and would rather see them fail then succeed (I guess to a lesser extent this applies to UCLA but we've been so god-awful for so long people stopped caring).

    I'd agree with this. For most people it probably goes on the hate scale: USC, Oregon, [insert your school's rival].

    Don't know much about the fans of UU or Colorado, so maybe they can shake things up a bit.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The Big 10 isn't as smug as it used to be given its bowl record as of late. I have a lot of OSU honks in my circle of friends and I doubt to many of them think the Bucks would beat Auburn. Especially when they should have lost to Arkansas.

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    YoSoyTheWalrusYoSoyTheWalrus Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Zoel wrote: »
    I will root against UGA under any circumstances. With most teams it's like "Oh I don't like you we have a rivalry haha let's all drink together"

    I've never met a Georgia fan I didn't actively hate. I know there must be some UGA fans that aren't terrible, shitty people who deserve to be summarily executed, but I haven't met any of them.

    Like an unfortunately large number of Georgia Tech alumni, you've never met a Georgia Fan you didn't actively hate because everyone who is even semi-likable is over 50 and has grown out of the phase where they do things like spit in your face because you're wearing a blue shirt...but only when they're already surrounded by 25 of their friends so they're sure there will be no consequences.

    fixed that for ya killer. classy people!

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I actually would kind of like being part of a rabid college football fanbase. It's half the reason I want to go back to school for my masters.

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Hard to find that in non-upstate NY. Shit, the only half decent football program shut down I think.

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Zoel wrote: »
    I will root against UGA under any circumstances. With most teams it's like "Oh I don't like you we have a rivalry haha let's all drink together"

    I've never met a Georgia fan I didn't actively hate. I know there must be some UGA fans that aren't terrible, shitty people who deserve to be summarily executed, but I haven't met any of them.

    Like an unfortunately large number of Georgia Tech alumni, you've never met a Georgia Fan you didn't actively hate because everyone who is even semi-likable is over 50 and has grown out of the phase where they do things like spit in your face because you're wearing a blue shirt...but only when they're already surrounded by 25 of their friends so they're sure there will be no consequences.

    fixed that for ya killer. classy people!

    I've literally never met anyone like this, for any team. You've got some bad luck.

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So the refs got it wrong last night. Deadspin's first post today has a video showing the wrist/forearm on Dyer's ball carrying arm was down on the tackle. It also shows a game from last Tuesday (Sugar Bowl I think) where the exact same play happened and was called right, even if it was technically right.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The wrist was definitely down and I was unsure if that was enough in the rules.

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Butters wrote: »
    The wrist was definitely down and I was unsure if that was enough in the rules.

    I'm just surprised that the call happened the previous week, on ESPN, IN a BCS bowl, and nobody made the connection till now.

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It's supposed to be anything other than the palm of the hand touching the ground = down. Of course it's also supposed to be 'play to the whistle', so whatever.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    It's supposed to be anything other than the palm of the hand touching the ground = down. Of course it's also supposed to be 'play to the whistle', so whatever.

    If his wrist was down "play to the whistle" is irrelevant since the play was reviewed.
    Goose! wrote: »
    Hard to find that in non-upstate NY. Shit, the only half decent football program shut down I think.

    No offense but is there a worthwhile college football program in all of NY State? Rutgers was on their way up a few years ago but that has since fizzled and they're in Jersey anyway.

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Butters wrote: »
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    It's supposed to be anything other than the palm of the hand touching the ground = down. Of course it's also supposed to be 'play to the whistle', so whatever.

    If his wrist was down "play to the whistle" is irrelevant since the play was reviewed.
    Goose! wrote: »
    Hard to find that in non-upstate NY. Shit, the only half decent football program shut down I think.

    No offense but is there a worthwhile college football program in all of NY State? Rutgers was on their way up a few years ago but that has since fizzled and they're in Jersey anyway.

    Syracuse won the Pinstripe Bowl this year, Buffalo went to a bowl last year. There is pride in athletics up there. But Hofstra was the only program with any real traction on Long Island and they are 1) an FCS team and 2) defunct due to lack of money, I believe.

    Can't mess with their college bball, though. Also, Long Island is the biggest producer of college lacrosse players there is.

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yeah, Syracuse was BCS quality within the past decade or so and has a decent history. Not much else there, though.

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    TallaclasseeTallaclassee you ever seen a lion limber up before it takes down a gazelleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    jesus christ secsecsecsec people are intolerable rubes

    but the bottom line is that there will very rarely be a team from outside the southeast region that will be able to match the teams located within the southeastern region in terms of talent on the offensive and defensive lines. this has always been the difference. oregon was just too puny. auburn won by 4 yards a carry and shutting down the line of scrimmage when oregon had the ball.

    (part of this was by oregon's own design, however, as it's impossible to run an offense at that pace with bigger offensive linemen. they will simply collapse on the field. it's also impossible to have a defense with proper bigs when your offense isn't given them any time to catch their breath. notice auburn's "hurry up"? it doesn't hurry. neither did florida's under meyer. big people need time to chill.)

    with the proliferation of the spread offenses like a plague in texas, not even ut and oklahoma will be able to seriously challenge the southeastern teams in terms of the line of scrimmage consistently. saw that in 08, saw it in 09. get back to playing proper football, tornado alley. this 5 wide 7 on 7 bullshit every high school in your state is running is womanly.

    so basically, it comes down to teams located in the southeastern region not in the sec to break the streak. fsu, clemson, georgia tech (if it ever drops the academic requirements and installs some non-academic majors), miami.

    if north carolina isn't gutted at the beginning of the season they would've made a big time run too. before the purge they had better defensive line talent than ANYONE in the country. three first rounders and two mid-rounders. really.

    the counter-argument could come from how cal controlled the LOS against oregon, but then we're talking about numbers. there are 10 teams in the southeastern region alone that can amass elite line of scrimmage talent every year. how many are there in the rest of the country? the big 10 has big people, but those big people don't have a fraction of the explosiveness that southeastern bigs have.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OSU is a good consistent quarterback or running back away from a legitimate national title run I think. They don't have the size issues spread teams have and are always tough on defense.

    Though they need less predictable play calling too.

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    TallaclasseeTallaclassee you ever seen a lion limber up before it takes down a gazelleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    also that game last night was two plays away from being a blow out. if cam doesn't overthrow 89 by 2 yards, it becomes 29-11 and the game is over. the very next drive auburn has, they miss another touchdown. so either another chance to go up 29-11 or the game becomes 36-11. when they gave the ball to dyer running power plays starting the second quarter, they gained 285 yards in one quarter!

    oregon had to rely on fake punts and boise state gimmick plays to manufacture anything. nearly two goal line stands and causing a safety because your "i formation" was blown to shit because your interior linemen weigh 265 pounds a piece.

    i do think osu is the northern team closest to challenging because their home state does occasionally produce good bigs with some explosiveness and they (right now) don't have anyone challenging them for those bigs because michigan is stuck grinding its gears.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    Also the quality of the field slowed down Oregon considerably. That field should have been the MVP, it made the biggest differencei n the game.

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    thanimationsthanimations Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Also the quality of the field slowed down Oregon considerably. That field should have been the MVP, it made the biggest differencei n the game.

    The field definitely didn't help, looked like they replaced it with the ice from Jobing.com Arena next door.

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    also that game last night was two plays away from being a blow out. if cam doesn't overthrow 89 by 2 yards, it becomes 29-11 and the game is over. the very next drive auburn has, they miss another touchdown. so either another chance to go up 29-11 or the game becomes 36-11. when they gave the ball to dyer running power plays starting the second quarter, they gained 285 yards in one quarter!

    oregon had to rely on fake punts and boise state gimmick plays to manufacture anything. nearly two goal line stands and causing a safety because your "i formation" was blown to shit because your interior linemen weigh 265 pounds a piece.

    i do think osu is the northern team closest to challenging because their home state does occasionally produce good bigs with some explosiveness and they (right now) don't have anyone challenging them for those bigs because michigan is stuck grinding its gears.

    Those "boise state gimmick plays" as you call them. They still count. As long as you don't cheat, win at all costs.

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    TallaclasseeTallaclassee you ever seen a lion limber up before it takes down a gazelleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    could've played that game on god's grass and it wouldn't have made a difference. not when a true freshman corey lemonier who only weighs 240 pounds is blowing your senior offensive tackle off the ball at the goal line. and then the whole nick fairley issue.

    hey that wasn't to bemoan the efficacy of the gimmick plays. just merely point out that the chance of those plays consistently working is way, way lower than auburn's simple off tackle 34 gaining 6 yards every carry.

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