GRAPHIC Novels (Super Edit)

ninjaininjai Registered User regular
edited January 2011 in Graphic Violence
Are you a fan of art AND narrative?

On this subforum, I've seen a lot of threads about characters, plotlines, and genre's of comic, but not one for ART, without which comics wouldn't exist!

I've never been a very avid comic reader because I keep finding stuff like this to not be appealing to me (design-wise and all the loud colors...).

I find this series to be endlessly unique and inspiring, and I also dig this, dark and moody.
(not just the story, but the tone of the images)

I find the typical "Super Hero" art style to be very copied and way too literal in its interpretation of life. And think that the grandiose 80's action movie cover stylings and this has been beaten to death(<<that's 4 different links - we all know luke was not that muscular)



So, lets discuss some of the more artistic comics (illustrators/graphic novel artists/sequntial artists) that are out there. (Not to say that other comics aren't good, but focusing more on the illustrations and design)


Examples:

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  • Witch_Hunter_84Witch_Hunter_84 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    There's an independant series I became a fan of back in 2005 called Archaic. I thought the art and story were equally intruiging and the overall Slavic mythological themes the series dealt in also helped to reel me in.

    Check out the gallery. See if it's up your alley.

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  • GrifterGrifter BermudaModerator mod
    edited January 2011
    You don't like Invincible? What's wrong with you?

    Flight is great but it's less of a series and more of a bunch of anthologies.

    Comics that I've enjoyed over the years include but aren't limited to:

    Lucifer
    Preacher
    The Umbrella Academy
    Kingdom Come
    Fables
    The Authority
    Wildcats 3.0
    Planetary
    Transmetropolitan
    Fear Agent

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Elite Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Casanova
    Daytripper
    Umbrella Academy
    Wizard of Oz/Wonderful World of Oz
    Mini-Marvels

    These are all series that have a lot of the story and art that you would like. Not traditional art styles but flow with the story. Although you should check out All-Star Superman just to see one of the best modern superhero stories and its execution.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ninjai wrote: »
    *GASP* I'm a fan of art AND narrative!

    I haven't seen a Sequential ART thread on this subforum.
    This is an incredibly obnoxious way to start your post, and basically an intimation that the rest of this forum is comprised of drooling fanboys that just like dem dere purty pikshurs of superpeople what's beatin' up on each other. So, good job on that. Still, here's some books that have non-traditional art styles and stories, which you might enjoy.
    -Daisy Kutter: A steampunk western by Kazu Kibuishi, one of the main guys behind the Flight anthologies.

    -King City: The story of a boy getting over a girl, in a futuristic city where aliens, luchadores, ninjas, and Lovecraftian horrors run wild.

    -Won Ton Soup: A space-trucker participates in a cooking competition that puts Iron Chef to shame.

    -Orc Stain: An orc that's very much unlike the traditional Lord of the Rings/D&D stereotype attempts to navigate his way through a world ruled by savagery.

    -Parker: The Hunter/Parker: The Outfit: A flashy noir comic set in the past, adapting the novels of Donald Westlake/Richard Stark.

    -Viking: Essentially a crime book, set in the days of vikings. It has a very dark, moody art style.

    -Hercules: Knives of Kush and Caliber: I haven't read either of these past the first issue, but they've got that painted art style you seem to like.

    -Automatic Kafka: A robot that used to be on a superhero team, struggles to find purpose after the team disbands. It's drawn by Ashley Wood, who again has a dark, non-traditional style.

    This would be easier if you told us what genres you enjoyed. Sci-Fi? Fantasy? Romance? Pulp adventures? Crime?

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ninjai wrote: »
    *GASP*




    I also find the typical "Super Hero" style comic to be offensive in its stylistic rigidity and literal interpretation of the human form, structures, etc, and its grandiose 80's action movie cover stylings and this (<<that's 4 different links - we all know luke was not that muscular)



    Question =

    Any suggestions for reading material? I kind of backed myself up into a very narrow nitch looking for an illustrated narrative.

    Well, I found your post offensive and borderline trolling, but I'm going to give you a suggestion anyways. There is a little known writer/artist named Robert Liefeld whose work you should check out. It seems to be what you are looking for.

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions USAgent PSN: USAgent31Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm so glad you're back.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Based on your descriptions, I think you'd enjoy the work of Charles Vess and Mike Mignola.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh, and you should pick up Kurt Busiek's ASTRO CITY, because everyone should read that stuff.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Elite Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh, and you should pick up Kurt Busiek's ASTRO CITY, because everyone should read that stuff.

    But that's just superheroes being awesome with an excellent story every issue!

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Oh, and you should pick up Kurt Busiek's ASTRO CITY, because everyone should read that stuff.

    But that's just superheroes being awesome with an excellent story every issue!

    Yes but it is sequential ART.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I dig this thread.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Your OP makes you seem like a snob and a jerk.

    Two of my favorite books have unique art-- King City and Orc Stain. Casanova and Incognito are both good. Hellboy, BPRD, Parker...

    Blame is really, really good. So is Biomega. Have you read biomega?

    You may want to check out Fear Agent, it has a neat concept, good writing and great art. It is also awesome and really depressing at the same time. Another comic that alternates between kicking ass and being really depressing is Scalped.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I think you guys are being too hard on this man. I mean, I'd say 94% of what we do in here more has to do with characterization discussions, plotline speculation, publisher intrigue and the creators themselves. Aside from character redesigns, failure-level illustration work or 'this is a cool moment' or what have you, we don't actually have a comic art thread, focused specifically on the art of comics, rather than scenes, character triumphs, etc. It's worth considering at least.

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I think you guys are being too hard on this man. I mean, I'd say 94% of what we do in here more has to do with characterization discussions, plotline speculation, publisher intrigue and the creators themselves. Aside from character redesigns, failure-level illustration work or 'this is a cool moment' or what have you, we don't actually have a comic art thread, focused specifically on the art of comics, rather than scenes, character triumphs, etc. It's worth considering at least.

    The fact that his goal is reasonable doesn't make his approach less douchey.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    admanb wrote: »
    I think you guys are being too hard on this man. I mean, I'd say 94% of what we do in here more has to do with characterization discussions, plotline speculation, publisher intrigue and the creators themselves. Aside from character redesigns, failure-level illustration work or 'this is a cool moment' or what have you, we don't actually have a comic art thread, focused specifically on the art of comics, rather than scenes, character triumphs, etc. It's worth considering at least.

    The fact that his goal is reasonable doesn't make his approach less douchey.

    Yeah, sorry, I didn't realize it would come across that way. I actually thought it would be funny :( I'll go back and change it, but:

    I do really appreciate all the recommendations! A lot of those look really promising.
    We should turn this into the sequential art thread, like what linespider said, seeing as there hasn't been one yet.



    SUPER EDIT!!!

    I edited my main post, hopefully its less offensive now. I honestly thought it would get a laugh, I had no intention of offending anyone. Sorry :(

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Based on your descriptions, I think you'd enjoy the work of Charles Vess and Mike Mignola.

    These are my favorite so far. And Casanova is looking good from a quick google search.

    Vess has a unique take on the super hero thing. Pretty cool.
    This is pretty amazing.


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAaa... Robert Liefeld Yes, I've heard of him. :)

    I Love This Guy! He did the soldier short in Flight 3. Fantastic. And I'm a sucker for steam/cyberpunk. Gonna have to pick that one up.
    On second thought, Munch, everything you recommended looks fan-goddam-tastic. The Automatic Kafka looks especially awesome. Thanks for the suggestions.

    As for you question at the end, I don't have a preference for genre, I enjoy sci-fi, steam/cyberpunk, high fantasy, hard science fiction, hard boiled noir, action, fusion genres and whatever else.
    This is Yes!
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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The OP is trolling then post SNIKT!

    OK man, whatever.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Algertman wrote: »
    The OP is trolling then post SNIKT!

    OK man, whatever.

    In case you didn't notice I also posted this...

    And what's wrong with snikt?

    Its the art/artist I'm talking about here. Its better than posting http://www.valar.ru/gallery/0408/abara_c02_p29.jpg it doesn't seem like a place thats very receptive of manga.

    But I'm not here to talk about manga, I'm here to talk about good art in comics. So I put it up.

    You guys like your "troll" word. Thats such a fucking 90s tactic. Get over it, I'm here to talk about comics,
    not be an asshole. And how could what I edited my OP to be considered trolling? It's as neutral as I could come up with...

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Done.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    /facepalm

    This looks great, and the wonderful world of oz too, and I have no idea what's going on here but I want to find out!!!
    Blame is really, really good. So is Biomega. Have you read biomega?


    I'm a huge fan of tsutomu nihei specifically. I own those both in japanese and english, and if you're unfamiliar with ABARA I highly recommend it. Its hard to find a lot of his one shots too, cuz they get published in obscure japanese magazines.

    Will have to check out your other two recommendations also :) Glad someone else reads Nihei.

    edit: I'm a fan of fear agent now. Adding to my cart on amazon. :)
    May have to look into scalped. Its got some intriguing images on google, it didn't immediately grab me though.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    how is chew?

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions USAgent PSN: USAgent31Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    WHAT! Buy it, buy all three trades now! It's so good, well written and excellent art.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Chew is awesome. One of the best comics I have read in the past two years.

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You might like the style of Sean Phillips and Brubaker in their Criminal series.

    Or the paints of Dan Brerenton, the best of which are in his Nocturnals books.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Elite Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I think it might be because you initially made the point that straight up superhero comic art isn't that good and that kind of limited the discussion, because it was too restricting of a medium that is at least 50% superheroes. If we just go for a general art in comics, that can work better. And Wolverine Snikt, if memory serves, had a pretty bad story, which would be the 90's mentality of art over story (the art is good, but that alone can't sell works anymore).


    For instance, this is one of my favorite pages ever, because of the art style Stuart Immonen used for Superman: Secret Identity works perfectly for conveying Superman in our world and seeing what will become the start of a brave new world:

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    This page works not only with the copy, but also works without words if read with the rest of the issue. Going from Superman being a speck above the rural landscape (his beginnings) to Clark having that light-bulb moment of what he just realized, it is near perfect in its execution. Yet that is pretty standard superhero art. Does perfect execution of a certain "normal" style lend it anymore weight than someone being experimental and missing on some key points (for instance, Ashley Wood is experimental but I can't tell what's going on in half of his drawings).

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Immonen is one of the most talented artists. His work in Nextwave was incredible, especially that issue were he flawlessly mimics some other very famous artists.

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions USAgent PSN: USAgent31Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I just got Nextwave for Xmas, I love Immonen, one of the reasons I get New Avengers.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Immonen and Busiek really need to do some more Superstar/Shockrockets.

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    TexiKen wrote: »
    , which would be the 90's mentality of art over story (the art is good, but that alone can't sell works anymore).

    Unfortunately, Dark Knight being last month's top book indicates the opposite and that the 90's are on their way back.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I had this big elaborate post typed up with individual responses to a lot of you, but IE's shortcuts are retarded, and accidentally refreshed the page... :( So this is the short of it.

    Yeah, SNIKT didn't have the best story, but I'm a fan of the artist. Pretty much all of his artwork is amazing, and his 3 (4, but the newest one [Knights of Sidonia] sucks 3 issues in) main publications are phenominal.

    ABARA (favorite, also not published in English)
    Story of a creature called the Gauna destroying the world and man must protect the world against his will.
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    BLAME!
    Killy goes on an epic 10 part quest looking for survivors of an ancient race.
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    BIOMEGA

    A creature infects the human race and changes the world forever in a cyberpunk apocolypse.
    NSFW (Blood)

    I also recommend (in order of preference):

    Halo Graphic Novel: Breaking Quarantine
    SGT Johnson's escape from the flood.

    This has some Grad A-mazing art in it, but I can never find it online. I can only find the same page and a half. SOOO Good. And his rendering of the flood is downright creepy.
    Its worth the 30 bucks just for HIS short. But there are 4, and lots of great art in the back.
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    DIGIMORTAL (One Shot)
    A hyper fanatic technological cult threatens peace in a city.
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    Winged Armor SUZUMEGA (One Shot)
    (spoilered for HOOJ)
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    NOiSE (published through tokyo pop)
    Child murders are running rampant and a cop must put a stop to it in the distant future.
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    Zeb Noid (One Shot)
    Two races clash, with a misterious outcome. (really short)
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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    if something is NSFW you link it
    images load behind spoilers

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Antimatter wrote: »
    if something is NSFW you link it
    images load behind spoilers
    rgr fixed.

    Thanks for the recommend on CHEW, it looks fabulous! Amazon was recommending to me yesterday :/

    Incognito looks great. Wish I had that kind of money.
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I think it might be because you initially made the point that straight up superhero comic art isn't that good ...

    I didn't mean to come accross like that, (Lord knows they're all better artists than I am!) I just meant that the typical heroic poses/super hero costume art isn't my preference. Which is why the venture brothers is so funny :)

    Edit: Searching for Nextwave, I came across this. It made me lol

    I think I may be a fan of this Stuart Immonen guy.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Immonen is one of maybe 3 artists whose work I will check out even if I don't like the subject matter. Besides being a great storyteller, the dude is a fucking machine at the drawing table. He can put out pages as fast, if not faster, than Bagley.

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