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Chinese F-22 equivalents. Air Force says "I TOLD U SO"
Cantido
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I found this interesting. In class we discussed the fact that just as the US stopped production of the F-22's so the rich-bitch Air Force pilots can stop humping their 20-million-dollar-UFO's, it turns out China is cranking out F-22 equivalents.
http://www.fastcompany.com/1716168/how-does-chinas-stealth-fighter-work-by-ripping-off-the-f-22
The F-35, supposedly the next fighter, while looking similarly as badassed as the F-22, is not an Air Superiority Fighter. It's a Joint Strike Fighter, meant for dropping bombs. It can't really fight other planes like an F-22 can. And by stopping production of the F-22, it can probably never be started up again.
I read articles in the Air Force Times, and they're obviously slanted that this will be a problem in the future, and that military cuts are going to be to the point where the U.S. will not be able to defend itself, and that this is the first time the military is being cut in the middle of a war.
And they can bitch all they want, it's only the beginning.
My question is how much cutting is happening properly versus how much taxation is happening properly.
I often look at this video and compare it to how war is fought now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ69X1qt4sQ
I'll be damned, they fought a war and taxes went up. Furthermore they propaganda'd the shit out of America to both educate and motivate citizens to budget their money to pay these higher taxes. But that's a PROPAGANDA cartoon. But at the same time, back then, EVERYBODY was put to work during the war, in factories and such.
Compare that to now, where people are working very hard to keep the war as far from their minds as possible (and George W. Bush wanted it that way). And not only is not everyone "put to work," these factories are inefficient. If you want to build something like a tanker, all the parts are put together in factories spread apart across America and then put together so that those individual states can keep constituents happy.
I'm not sure what I'm trying to ask, but I wanted some opinions on this.
http://www.fastcompany.com/1716168/how-does-chinas-stealth-fighter-work-by-ripping-off-the-f-22
The F-35, supposedly the next fighter, while looking similarly as badassed as the F-22, is not an Air Superiority Fighter. It's a Joint Strike Fighter, meant for dropping bombs. It can't really fight other planes like an F-22 can. And by stopping production of the F-22, it can probably never be started up again.
I read articles in the Air Force Times, and they're obviously slanted that this will be a problem in the future, and that military cuts are going to be to the point where the U.S. will not be able to defend itself, and that this is the first time the military is being cut in the middle of a war.
And they can bitch all they want, it's only the beginning.
My question is how much cutting is happening properly versus how much taxation is happening properly.
I often look at this video and compare it to how war is fought now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ69X1qt4sQ
I'll be damned, they fought a war and taxes went up. Furthermore they propaganda'd the shit out of America to both educate and motivate citizens to budget their money to pay these higher taxes. But that's a PROPAGANDA cartoon. But at the same time, back then, EVERYBODY was put to work during the war, in factories and such.
Compare that to now, where people are working very hard to keep the war as far from their minds as possible (and George W. Bush wanted it that way). And not only is not everyone "put to work," these factories are inefficient. If you want to build something like a tanker, all the parts are put together in factories spread apart across America and then put together so that those individual states can keep constituents happy.
I'm not sure what I'm trying to ask, but I wanted some opinions on this.
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The Soviet space shuttle and Concord were copies. The Chinese fighter is more like a remix.
And it's a bit surprise that an Air Force magazine is concerned that funding is being cut fore their penile enhancement projects.
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Not if it's something like Taiwan. We aren't going to nuke China if they invade Taiwan, and they won't nuke Taiwan, or us. The most we'd invest is probably a couple carrier battle groups. Which are going to carry the aforementioned F-35s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A
But really, I don't think many people talk about Chinese non-electric products like cars, airplanes, trains, bikes, boats, etc. like we do about Russian ones. I mean, outside of Russian cars (Yugolol), people seem to give high regards to their fighter airplanes. I can't recall one instance where people talked about that mad Chinese fighter they have that is so much superior to anything we have, like they do with Russian ones.
china really has no way to get their manpower across the strait anyway fancy airplane or not
oh and we'll actually see it deployed in like 2060
OH NOES!
"Commander, Deploy our billion dollar attack jets!"
"Yes General!"
5 minutes later
"Our jets have all been shot down by swarms of $10000 unmanned drones!"
Seriously, air superiority fighters are cool and all, but it's the whole 'prepare for the last war' mistake all over again. If there is another war it will be fought overwhelmingly with drones and other unmanned stuff.
Well we need a war with someone, obviously. That's just what we do. And the Russians just aren't as menacing as they used to be, and the EU is always ruining the fun by allying and agreeing with us. China is our only hope.
The rate of increase is being slowed down.
Ahem. Clearly, you haven't been paying attention to Homefront.
Don't forget the small countries that we're constantly angry at, but don't have the hardware to justify the spending on our hardware.
All heard was CUT.
Yeah, seriously. What's this obsession with going to war with China all about? I've seen it for a while, but I don't get it. Even discounting our economic interdependence and the hell that'd likely wreak on the world's economy, what are we going to go to war over? Taiwan? The occasional Chinese muscle-flexing?
That's why we sell them our own older hardware, before we invade them. Like Iraq, or potentially Iran.
Haven't you ever heard of the boy scouts' motto: "Always be prepared."
"If you wish for peace, prepare for war."
"We must remember that vigilance is the price of safety."
It certainly should be cut, and massively... But, it's certainly not been cut yet.
How the hell else can we make the Fallout universe a reality?
well mans are something they have plenty of...
What ever happened to "Don't be a dumbass"?
Because we aren't going to war with China. Is this some vestige of the yellow scare combined with anticommunist ridiculousness or something?
How is a war with China even gonna work?
Do you really see some kind of 400 million man amphibious landing off the coast of LA or something?
Perhaps a new Golden Horde chugging it's way towards Europe?
Yeah...not happening brosef.
Exactly. The last time anyone got in a dog fight was the movie Top Gun.
Anyway, I always like the YF-23 more. Shoulda chose it instead.
in my experience they would come through kamchatka
Well, there's Taiwan. And I dunno, maybe something in the future is gonna... happen. Look, I don't have a magic fucking crystal ball. And I doubt you do either.
The military's job is to prepare for every eventuality. Not just the ones we're totally certain of.
Maybe we should "be prepared" for spontaneous military combustion by dropping everything associated with the military into the sea.
Or maybe we should "be prepared" for economic collapse by diverting all the money the military is wasting on useless toys to areas that actually stimulate our economy and protect our citizens, like maybe fixing up all those decrepit dams in the northeast that are pretty much guaranteed to break and cause massive flooding over the next decade.
Youre going to want more war 30 minutes later, though.
And why is it the militarys fault a federal or local government isn't making funds to fix things?
Well that just sounds Risky
I don't need to know the future to realize the unbelievable logistics behind a conventional war between participants half a world away is pretty fucking insane. And before you say 'but JAPPPAAAAN' let me hold your shit right there and tell you to eff off because while Japan was facing the threat of invasion in the end the US was NEVER at risk of Japanese soldiers in the White House.
And this is all without talking about the issue of MAD and the fact that we're so economically tied together at this point there is no fucking way any officials on either side would risk their necks with war which has no major objective except maybe Taiwan and that is an objective that if taken to task we really REALLY don't give that much a shit about.
There's a difference between preparedness and paranoia, and you're pretty much advocating the latter. I understand where you're coming from but it's far-fetched in the foreseeable future and there are better ways to prepare than the enormously expensive F-22 project. Not that it'd matter, as I expect the economic fallout would screw most of us little people over before the fighting itself ever got close.
Also, every eventuality? Should we be preparing for an alien invasion too? Not to compare the unlikelihood of that to a war with China, but there's a point where you head into the realm of ridiculousness.