Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"
In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp
I don't quite understand that sentence.
Woman is the "other" in all cultures
Sorry guess I should have asked a question rather then just say I dont understand. What is ment by "other"?
It has quite a few meanings, but the one that I most often associate with the word is someone in an oftentimes subordinate role that is defined completely in relation to the dominating position in society, which, in the context of gender studies in East Asian and European cultures, often meant the male
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"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"
In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp
Is that even true? I've got to think that there are cultures where gender isn't used as a divide, or men is the other. Just given the raw number of cultures out there.
I don't think it's true, I mean matriarchal societies do exist
but hyperbole is often used in arguments, maybe s/he didn't mean to say *all*, but rather "the western cultures that I have grown up in"
AFAIK there have been no truly matriarchal societies identified among all the cultures of Earth past or present. There are matrilineal societies, and societies with occasional female power figures, and societies where genders were effectively equal, but there have been done where women were more powerful than men simply by virtue of being women. At best, there might be modern matriarchal subcultures (like, say, femdom kink).
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
I'm pretty sure that my amygdala will activate at the sight of a lot of white men's photos, too.
Because frankly a lot of men trigger my anxiety in subtle but perceptible ways.
It's kind of been a problem for exploring the gay side of my sexuality.
sure
I think that's true -- I get nervous when I see a group of young men on my street at night, in general
but implicit bias is a very well-researched and very well-evidenced phenomenon, by many different modes of investigation including traditional psychological study (not evo-psych or brain imaging)
and how do these rule out cultural programming and in favor of an evolved biological response, given that in every society so far we commit those who look or act differently to an "out group"
seems tautological to infer it is an evolved response
I mean does it really matter
I didn't even initially evoke evo-psych this time
technically Feral brought it up
although I understand you also have issues with brain imaging studies, and fair enough
i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters
Should I be concerned I have an eye that's been twitching for like.. 4 hours now? Should I post in H&A and see how many "you've got cancer!" and "take a xanax from your mom's med cabinent!" posts I get?
Is it like a rapid irregular twitch of the eyelid
or is your eyeball actually twitching back and forth?
The former is a bletharospasm and is usually harmless.
The latter is nystagmus and... isn't necessarily harmless.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Hey Thom, I am sorry but I do not understand your last question in the M&M thread.
I'm confused about the wording of the rule. Do I make the modifications for any power that has a status effect or toughness check, or a power that has a status effect and checks against toughness? An example would be Dazzle which has a status effect but it's a check against reflex.
Any power that originally involves a saving throw rolls a power check against the same save defense instead.
Any power that deals damage (that would progress the damage track) rolls a damage check instead.
In the case of Dazzle, if I'm reading you right, you'd roll a power check against the target's Reflex save defense, instead of the target rolling a saving throw.
Right, but at +5 or just the normal check?
Without having access to the book I'm going to guess normal.
The reason that +5 is in there is because Toughness save DCs against damage start at 15, not 10.
you're basically saying that odds are one person the arrested person deals with along the way is a racist or specifically tries to help minorities in those positions
I'd say that's probably likely yeah
Or that race was a part of the socioeconomic consequences that led to the person's arrest or the availability of resources to the person.
Or that people who aren't consciously racist had different perceptions of the suspect due to ingrained racial stereotypes.
Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"
In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp
Is that even true? I've got to think that there are cultures where gender isn't used as a divide, or men is the other. Just given the raw number of cultures out there.
I don't think it's true, I mean matriarchal societies do exist
but hyperbole is often used in arguments, maybe s/he didn't mean to say *all*, but rather "the western cultures that I have grown up in"
AFAIK there have been no truly matriarchal societies identified among all the cultures of Earth past or present. There are matrilineal societies, and societies with occasional female power figures, and societies where genders were effectively equal, but there have been done where women were more powerful than men simply by virtue of being women. At best, there might be modern matriarchal subcultures (like, say, femdom kink).
I agree with this, I just was pretty sure some island cultures in the south pacific developed some matriarchal societies, but then again I studied this a while ago so I'm not 100% on this.
Anyway, the more controversial part of that student's statement, was the latter half, in my opinion. To me, it is an interesting position and arguable/defensible under a certain light, although not particularly smart to posit that in a god damn fourth year women's studies class
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"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"
In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp
I don't quite understand that sentence.
Woman is the "other" in all cultures
Sorry guess I should have asked a question rather then just say I dont understand. What is ment by "other"?
It has quite a few meanings, but the one that I most often associate with the word is someone in an oftentimes subordinate role that is defined in relation to the dominating position in society, which, in the context of gender studies in East Asian and European cultures, often meant the male
My guess was it was some kind of submissive or lesser role but i wasn't sure and didn't want to make the leap. Honestly that is the first time i've seen other used in that context.
Thanks for the answer.
Also a woman in a woman's study class making an arguement that it might be ok to diminish women because everyone else does?
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and how do these rule out cultural programming and in favor of an evolved biological response, given that in every society so far we commit those who look or act differently to an "out group"
seems tautological to infer it is an evolved response
I mean does it really matter
I didn't even initially evoke evo-psych this time
technically Feral brought it up
although I understand you also have issues with brain imaging studies, and fair enough
i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters
looking at your post a little more closely
are we talking about a biological predisposition to label people who look-different as out-group, or are we talking about a biological predisposition to behave a certain way towards culturally-designated out-groups?
for the record I'm advocating the latter
I just want to make sure we're not talking past each other here, but we might not be anyway
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Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"
In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp
Is that even true? I've got to think that there are cultures where gender isn't used as a divide, or men is the other. Just given the raw number of cultures out there.
I don't think it's true, I mean matriarchal societies do exist
but hyperbole is often used in arguments, maybe s/he didn't mean to say *all*, but rather "the western cultures that I have grown up in"
Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"
In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp
Is that even true? I've got to think that there are cultures where gender isn't used as a divide, or men is the other. Just given the raw number of cultures out there.
I don't think it's true, I mean matriarchal societies do exist
but hyperbole is often used in arguments, maybe s/he didn't mean to say *all*, but rather "the western cultures that I have grown up in"
and how do these rule out cultural programming and in favor of an evolved biological response, given that in every society so far we commit those who look or act differently to an "out group"
seems tautological to infer it is an evolved response
I mean does it really matter
I didn't even initially evoke evo-psych this time
technically Feral brought it up
although I understand you also have issues with brain imaging studies, and fair enough
i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters
looking at your post a little more closely
are we talking about a biological predisposition to label people who look-different as out-group, or are we talking about a biological predisposition to behave a certain way towards culturally-designated out-groups?
for the record I'm advocating the latter
I just want to make sure we're not talking past each other here, but we might not be anyway
okay see, i was thinking the first
alright yeah i think i got you on this then, although i need more evidence to claim a biological predisposition than just brain studies. but maybe it is there or something i don't know, i havent gotten TOO deep into it
(disclaimer: can't really cite psychological studies about this either- i am going to be a stickler here and draw a slightly arbitrary divide between psychology and biology, even though it engenders the mind-body dualism fallacy)
you're basically saying that odds are one person the arrested person deals with along the way is a racist or specifically tries to help minorities in those positions
I'd say that's probably likely yeah
Or that race was a part of the socioeconomic consequences that led to the person's arrest or the availability of resources to the person.
Or that people who aren't consciously racist had different perceptions of the suspect due to ingrained racial stereotypes.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Should I be concerned I have an eye that's been twitching for like.. 4 hours now? Should I post in H&A and see how many "you've got cancer!" and "take a xanax from your mom's med cabinent!" posts I get?
Is it like a rapid irregular twitch of the eyelid
or is your eyeball actually twitching back and forth?
The former is a bletharospasm and is usually harmless.
The latter is nystagmus and... isn't necessarily harmless.
The first, eyelid is twitching like mad. High stress day and I had a really salty lunch, yuk. I'm imaging my blood pressure is a bit high right now from the stress itself.
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not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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You know Dave Grohl is too good. I guess the only slight you can say is he's funny looking.
Did a concert for a group that thinks AIDS isn't real and the symptoms are caused by the TREATMENT for it.
Damn... well damn. Can we write that off in the same vein that the concerts to benefit african poverty went to warlords who then murdered the shit out of people?
Preacher on
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
alright yeah i think i got you on this then, although i need more evidence to claim a biological predisposition than just brain studies. but maybe it is there or something i don't know, i havent gotten TOO deep into it
(disclaimer: can't really cite psychological studies about this either- i am going to be a stickler here and draw a slightly arbitrary divide between psychology and biology, even though it engenders the mind-body dualism fallacy)
well I mean even if it is culturally-informed to discriminate against out-groups and exhibit higher tendency to deny them resources/exclude them from status and opportunity, it's a global universal
and implicit bias, regardless of its evolved-or-not origin is definitely a well-evidenced phenomenon
for the argument I was making I don't think anything was really contingent on the evolutionary nature of anything
and I'm not sure I'm comfortable enough to definitively state that out-group discrimination is an evolved tendency, though I certainly lean in that direction (I always struggle with plausible alternative explanations for complex behaviors that have existed with complete universality across all observed cultures and history).
and how do these rule out cultural programming and in favor of an evolved biological response, given that in every society so far we commit those who look or act differently to an "out group"
seems tautological to infer it is an evolved response
I mean does it really matter
I didn't even initially evoke evo-psych this time
technically Feral brought it up
although I understand you also have issues with brain imaging studies, and fair enough
i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters
looking at your post a little more closely
are we talking about a biological predisposition to label people who look-different as out-group, or are we talking about a biological predisposition to behave a certain way towards culturally-designated out-groups?
for the record I'm advocating the latter
I just want to make sure we're not talking past each other here, but we might not be anyway
okay see, i was thinking the first
alright yeah i think i got you on this then, although i need more evidence to claim a biological predisposition than just brain studies. but maybe it is there or something i don't know, i havent gotten TOO deep into it
(disclaimer: can't really cite psychological studies about this either- i am going to be a stickler here and draw a slightly arbitrary divide between psychology and biology, even though it engenders the mind-body dualism fallacy)
We should steal a bunch of babies and raise them in the wilderness away from society, keeping tabs on them in a covert manner
my hypothesis will be that they self-segregate
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"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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You know Dave Grohl is too good. I guess the only slight you can say is he's funny looking.
Did a concert for a group that thinks AIDS isn't real and the symptoms are caused by the TREATMENT for it.
Damn... well damn. Can we write that off in the same vein that the concerts to benefit african poverty went to warlords who then murdered the shit out of people?
I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before and kinda expect we will again. Weird.
Anyway it was one of his bandmates that was into it, not him so sure.
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Did we mention that "other" has more of a specific meaning, especially in terms of feminism and comes from Simone de Beauvoir's The Second Sex?
(Sorry if it was mentioned, but pages have passed)
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No she wasn't but omg I love you.
It has quite a few meanings, but the one that I most often associate with the word is someone in an oftentimes subordinate role that is defined completely in relation to the dominating position in society, which, in the context of gender studies in East Asian and European cultures, often meant the male
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
AFAIK there have been no truly matriarchal societies identified among all the cultures of Earth past or present. There are matrilineal societies, and societies with occasional female power figures, and societies where genders were effectively equal, but there have been done where women were more powerful than men simply by virtue of being women. At best, there might be modern matriarchal subcultures (like, say, femdom kink).
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I do what I can
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqnXd8qoTM
i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters
linking it again because it is great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M-vnmejwXo
Is it like a rapid irregular twitch of the eyelid
or is your eyeball actually twitching back and forth?
The former is a bletharospasm and is usually harmless.
The latter is nystagmus and... isn't necessarily harmless.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Without having access to the book I'm going to guess normal.
The reason that +5 is in there is because Toughness save DCs against damage start at 15, not 10.
Arresting her would be entrapment!
I agree with this, I just was pretty sure some island cultures in the south pacific developed some matriarchal societies, but then again I studied this a while ago so I'm not 100% on this.
Anyway, the more controversial part of that student's statement, was the latter half, in my opinion. To me, it is an interesting position and arguable/defensible under a certain light, although not particularly smart to posit that in a god damn fourth year women's studies class
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
My guess was it was some kind of submissive or lesser role but i wasn't sure and didn't want to make the leap. Honestly that is the first time i've seen other used in that context.
Thanks for the answer.
Also a woman in a woman's study class making an arguement that it might be ok to diminish women because everyone else does?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oep4mRpmrkQ
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looking at your post a little more closely
are we talking about a biological predisposition to label people who look-different as out-group, or are we talking about a biological predisposition to behave a certain way towards culturally-designated out-groups?
for the record I'm advocating the latter
I just want to make sure we're not talking past each other here, but we might not be anyway
No no it was specifically an appeal to naturalism
there isn't much point without sound
but it is still funny to watch him point at things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaEPCsQ4608&ob=av2el
Hahaha.
You take classes with some crazy people, Rivs.
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except derrida, he seemed like a nice guy
wrong and ultimately ridiculed, but nice
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
okay see, i was thinking the first
alright yeah i think i got you on this then, although i need more evidence to claim a biological predisposition than just brain studies. but maybe it is there or something i don't know, i havent gotten TOO deep into it
(disclaimer: can't really cite psychological studies about this either- i am going to be a stickler here and draw a slightly arbitrary divide between psychology and biology, even though it engenders the mind-body dualism fallacy)
The dude that was with his wife was hilarious.
"Honey she's clearly stealing that bike!"
"Shut up Marge, I'm just being friendly!" *winks at plant*
Did a concert for a group that thinks AIDS isn't real and the symptoms are caused by the TREATMENT for it.
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his voice is amazing live
I pulled out Lacan when I was arguing with jacob about survival horror last night lol
Speaking of, time to go get DS2.
The first, eyelid is twitching like mad. High stress day and I had a really salty lunch, yuk. I'm imaging my blood pressure is a bit high right now from the stress itself.
Damn... well damn. Can we write that off in the same vein that the concerts to benefit african poverty went to warlords who then murdered the shit out of people?
pleasepaypreacher.net
well I mean even if it is culturally-informed to discriminate against out-groups and exhibit higher tendency to deny them resources/exclude them from status and opportunity, it's a global universal
and implicit bias, regardless of its evolved-or-not origin is definitely a well-evidenced phenomenon
for the argument I was making I don't think anything was really contingent on the evolutionary nature of anything
and I'm not sure I'm comfortable enough to definitively state that out-group discrimination is an evolved tendency, though I certainly lean in that direction (I always struggle with plausible alternative explanations for complex behaviors that have existed with complete universality across all observed cultures and history).
Aronofsky recycles
We should steal a bunch of babies and raise them in the wilderness away from society, keeping tabs on them in a covert manner
my hypothesis will be that they self-segregate
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before and kinda expect we will again. Weird.
Anyway it was one of his bandmates that was into it, not him so sure.
(Sorry if it was mentioned, but pages have passed)
If only he'd do an entire movie with Marissa Tomei butt ass naked with jennifer connelly. I'd buy that for a dollar.
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