I can only justify this concept because g&t really does move quite fast in terms of thread-to-death creation. It's hard to keep all the new posts on one page in peak hours, but perhaps some segregation could help out more than it would hurt. G&T for video games, tech, and news related techno life... and TableTopHats for general d&d, pnp, boardgames of all sorts.. Lotta diversity in each, at the very least it gives folks a place to geek about in their prospective genre of choice.
This seems more concise an observation of the need for a new forum, since usually the ideas for "music" "movie" or "insert--game" forum rarely justifies a creation since they can easily be discussed elsewhere. Although I believe G&T is rather spread out, which is why they get as many posts as they do. Perhaps a little division could help in this particular instance.
Almost could break the forum into a few doubles catagories.. or not, just late night thought: Gaming (g&t, tabletop), Art (ac, wb), Discussion & Debate (dd), Tech & Life Support (h&a, md), and Everything else (old forum title with new use?) (links se++)
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This would be just like the Writer's Block only far less active.
Writer's Block is more like Artist's Corner but less active, since those two are basically the same forum. And as said before, the same level of intellectual snobbery and fragile egos.
This would be just like the Writer's Block only far less active.
Writer's Block is more like Artist's Corner but less active, since those two are basically the same forum. And as said before, the same level of intellectual snobbery and fragile egos.
Oh, for fuck's sake. I can't believe I'm jailing someone for a post they made in The Monkey Den. But this kind of absurd trolling forces my hand, so you have nobody to blame but yourself.
In any case, I don't think we need a subforum for tabletop gaming. We already have a forum for games, and I've never had any trouble getting my tabletop discussion fix through G&T.
I'd hit it. I mean, we already have subforums for CoH/V and WoW, and TT/PnP games are way way more popular than them. (hmm, maybe not more popular than WoW. Must be close though)
This would be just like the Writer's Block only far less active.
I really doubt that. For one thing, the writers block approaches a level of intellectual snobbery that keeps alot of us from participating.
I am pretty sure that you have never posted in the WB
ever
or read the forum, for that matter
edit: I've spent most of the time I've been a mod there trying to make it more accessible. If you've got specific complaints, please PM me so that I can work on them.
To add just a little to the table, it seems that P+P threads seem a little... 'light' when their in G&T, as opposed to their electronic counterparts. By this I mean that computer games will have themselves discussed, their developers discussed, buyouts and long-running debates touched. Though these are touched upon in the G&T threads on the matter, its very lightly and often drowns amidst all teh other discussion thats clogging up the thread (thats a riff on the fact that its all being crammed into a few threads, not the discussion itself).
For example, we have had many, many, MANY threads on 'EA is teh evol olololol', but if someone made a thread about how Peter Jackson Games sued the US government (and won!), I cant help but think it'd get locked, either for being off topic, or because so many G&Ters would end up thinking its out of place, and troll so hard it gets locked (dont deny this has happened before).
I think it's at least worth a trial. At the moment in G&T the 40k thread moves fairly and there are several P&P threads. The 40k thread alone could branch off into about 10 threads if it had the oppurtunity, and still move fast, plus you would have news threads, and discussions purely based on painting/modelling. And then you have Warhammer fantasy...
Also TT threads (due to the different nature of the hobby) would be mroe inclined to chug away for a long time unlike G&T threads that are born and then die fast.
I would enjoy a subforum, and I believe it would be viable.
In any case, I don't think we need a subforum for tabletop gaming. We already have a forum for games, and I've never had any trouble getting my tabletop discussion fix through G&T.
Yes but I play 40K, DnD, Serenity, LARP, and have various other addictions that I can't really converse with anyone here about in a decent manner with how fast threads fly by. G&T frightens me with it's speed. I don't even bother posting in most TT threads since by the time I hit submit, there's already 10 more posts not even relating to what I was talking about.
If this went down, it needs to be thought out very carefully and not jumped into all willy-nilly. There needs to be a specific rules and guidelines pertaining to [GAME ON] thread creations and the OP's of each thread need to be active and....sorry, started to go off there. I'm really anal-retentive and the thought of organizing complex sets of rules just makes me tingly.
To sum up.
G&T: bad for organizing and discussion at speeds lower then warp drive.
TT Forum: teh secks
Couple of questions: First, how much work goes into creating a new forum? Is it a matter of filling in a couple of blanks on a template and pushing the big red "Create Forum" button, or is a lot of coding involved every time you do it?
Second, would it be more feasible if it was a combined table top gaming and trading card forum?
Couple of questions: First, how much work goes into creating a new forum? Is it a matter of filling in a couple of blanks on a template and pushing the big red "Create Forum" button, or is a lot of coding involved every time you do it?
Second, would it be more feasible if it was a combined table top gaming and trading card forum?
Technically; easy. Management-wise; a bit more complex.
Secondly, if it was in fact created, it would be TT, LARP, board games, ccgs....pretty much everything that's not 0's and 1's.
For example, we have had many, many, MANY threads on 'EA is teh evol olololol', but if someone made a thread about how Peter Jackson Games sued the US government (and won!), I cant help but think it'd get locked, either for being off topic, or because so many G&Ters would end up thinking its out of place, and troll so hard it gets locked (dont deny this has happened before).
It's true, in the same way if I were to start a new thread to discuss the new Tau codex for 40k it wouldn't go down well, but yet if I try to discuss it in the 40k thread it would be on top of three other discussions and would make things difficult.
To put it simply TT games being forced into one thread each makes thing rather cramped.
I think the problem at hand is not "should we make this forum"
I think it might be that the forums are crashing out every other day, from what I assume is heavy usage... adding more stress to the database with another board is probably something they want to avoid until we get a new forum that isn't trying to eat its own leg off.
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I'd have to side with Jasconius. Love the idea of a table-top forum; even though I don't play myself, those threads make for some of the most entertaining reading on these boards. But the server, she can't take the strain, laddie.
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Having table-top games and pen&paper rpgs in a subforum would be a good idea. They make up for a considerable amount of posts in G&T but the huge threads easily get lost among the many video game and technology threads.
This would be just like the Writer's Block only far less active.
I really doubt that. For one thing, the writers block approaches a level of intellectual snobbery that keeps alot of us from participating.
I am pretty sure that you have never posted in the WB
ever
or read the forum, for that matter
edit: I've spent most of the time I've been a mod there trying to make it more accessible. If you've got specific complaints, please PM me so that I can work on them.
Guys, Orik is right here. The WB is a very accessible land, and while yes, some of their members pull no punches whatsoever, you will not find them posting for the sake of belittling you. I've yet to see anyone in there that isn't at least trying to help, and the WB mod crew does a good job of keeping the place a positive, productive environment.
Maybe you're just too thin skinned to accept that your work might need improvement, or that it might have flaws. Maybe you should prefer to post it on your mother's fridge where it will only be praised, if this is your problem.
The point isn't that the WB is dead because the guys there are dicks, because that's not the case at all. The point is that it takes a lot of effort to contribute there and the regular expenditure of significant amounts of effort, even for something you really, really like, isn't something you can expect on a broad basis. You will never get enough forumers with enough dedication to the amount of work a tabletop gaming forum would require to stay active, except for in the bitchfest threads about whether or not D20 is like, totally gay compared to 2nd Ed.
So fuck off, srsly. It ain't happening because this is the most passionate any of you will ever be about the subject and there are like a dozen of you, tops. That's just not going to make such a thing work here. If you want to make your own tabletop gaming forum, do so, put it in your sigs and move on.
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CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
Guys, Orik is right here. The WB is a very accessible land, and while yes, some of their members pull no punches whatsoever, you will not find them posting for the sake of belittling you. I've yet to see anyone in there that isn't at least trying to help, and the WB mod crew does a good job of keeping the place a positive, productive environment.
Maybe you're just too thin skinned to accept that your work might need improvement, or that it might have flaws. Maybe you should prefer to post it on your mother's fridge where it will only be praised, if this is your problem.
The point isn't that the WB is dead because the guys there are dicks, because that's not the case at all. The point is that it takes a lot of effort to contribute there and the regular expenditure of significant amounts of effort, even for something you really, really like, isn't something you can expect on a broad basis. You will never get enough forumers with enough dedication to the amount of work a tabletop gaming forum would require to stay active, except for in the bitchfest threads about whether or not D20 is like, totally gay compared to 2nd Ed.
So fuck off, srsly. It ain't happening because this is the most passionate any of you will ever be about the subject and there are like a dozen of you, tops. That's just not going to make such a thing work here. If you want to make your own tabletop gaming forum, do so, put it in your sigs and move on.
Okay, Pheezer. You really need to check what you are saying. "Srsly".
First of all, this is not a topic for talking about WB or the individuals in it. Just because one bloke says the WB is full of pricks doesn't mean that you go off the chain, knock this thread off topic, and the "end all" response to this.
Certain individuals starting this topic for discussion about beginning a new sub-forum to our already thriving forum and you insult them by saying this is the most passionate they will be? Why don't you just suggest that we "move out of out parent's basements" or "date a real girl" because you are basically make a blanket stating over a certain group of people. You are not admin either, and I believe the final call in this subject falls into their domain.
You are a mod. Please lead by example.
Back on topic... This forum could work, most definetly. No one said WB would work, but Munk and the team there has made it work. No one thought Rinksvirre would recover from the "pornsville lol" downfall, but it did.
The interest is obviously there, and if you want someone to get behind it to make sure it works....
This would be just like the Writer's Block only far less active.
I really doubt that. For one thing, the writers block approaches a level of intellectual snobbery that keeps alot of us from participating.
I am pretty sure that you have never posted in the WB
ever
or read the forum, for that matter
edit: I've spent most of the time I've been a mod there trying to make it more accessible. If you've got specific complaints, please PM me so that I can work on them.
Guys, Orik is right here. The WB is a very accessible land, and while yes, some of their members pull no punches whatsoever, you will not find them posting for the sake of belittling you. I've yet to see anyone in there that isn't at least trying to help, and the WB mod crew does a good job of keeping the place a positive, productive environment.
Maybe you're just too thin skinned to accept that your work might need improvement, or that it might have flaws. Maybe you should prefer to post it on your mother's fridge where it will only be praised, if this is your problem.
The point isn't that the WB is dead because the guys there are dicks, because that's not the case at all. The point is that it takes a lot of effort to contribute there and the regular expenditure of significant amounts of effort, even for something you really, really like, isn't something you can expect on a broad basis. You will never get enough forumers with enough dedication to the amount of work a tabletop gaming forum would require to stay active, except for in the bitchfest threads about whether or not D20 is like, totally gay compared to 2nd Ed.
So fuck off, srsly. It ain't happening because this is the most passionate any of you will ever be about the subject and there are like a dozen of you, tops. That's just not going to make such a thing work here. If you want to make your own tabletop gaming forum, do so, put it in your sigs and move on.
A few things that bother me:
1. "Lawl lawl Writers Block" wasn't the intent of this thread, nor was it ever supposed to be, and I don't think because one person bashed that subforum, then got jailed for it, that it would be reason enough to completely shut down the discussion advocating a new subforum. Don't use it as a convenient excuse.
2. Why is it that every time I see you post, whether moderating or not, I'm blown away by how rude you are almost all of the time? Orik handled it gracefully and the conversation returned to where it should have been. Telling us to 'fuck off, srsly' is not something I would expect in a well-reasoned thread, aside from the trolling of WB which was uncalled for. I would imagine as a mod you would be working to keep the topic more on-track instead of trying to assassinate the thread. Also, casting blanket statements over those that are interested by saying that this is the pinnacle of the interest we can show in the topic is ridiculous.
3. The analogy to WB is actually an accurate one in the method you yourself presented it because tabletop gaming requires a large investment of time to pursue. In miniature gaming alone, there's a large amount of modelling, painting, and converting going on - it's the same thing as the Writer's Block, in that it wouldn't move as fast as the other forums because the content being discussed comes in more of a progressive manner than stuff in G&T.
It's easy to just say 'go to a different forum and do it there', and in all honesty, I do. I post a large amount at 5-6 different miniature wargaming sites daily at this point just because I like the discussions. My intent with asking for this subforum is to set up an environment inside PA where similar threads can be consolidated and PA posters can be included in one place.
Other than that, I would still appreciate an answer from Alphamonkey or Whippy regarding this idea.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited February 2006
Writer's Block is slow because it takes a lot of time to write a good piece, and it takes a good chunk to read said piece and go through it meticulously. No one looks at a chunk of text for a momnet, then points out "No lens flares." Comparisons with WB and another forum are fairly moot.
That said, I have a few questions about this here proposed forum. Firstly, how much continual user input is required? I understand that there might be discussions about the nature of tabletop (magic, warhammer, D&D, etc.), but how many P&P game on threads would there be? Would there be huge threads encompasing an entire genre of X table-top game (i.e. magic) or would a new thread be made everytime there is news about the latest killer strat, module, or set coming out? Would you allow any number of [Game On!] Threads, or would you limit the amount? I can easily foresee the forum being active for a month, then becoming stagnant after being overrun by overambitious [Game On] threads. How would you propose a Game On thread even be done? Unlike other types of Game On's, a P&P game would require constant verbal communication, and would best be suited in a thread where the conversations could be archived. How would you plan to alleviate the forum from a barrage of [Game On]? Would people shun your thread or not respond if you made a thread applicable thread for this TTG forum in G&T?
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Writer's Block is slow because it takes a lot of time to write a good piece, and it takes a good chunk to read said piece and go through it meticulously. No one looks at a chunk of text for a momnet, then points out "No lens flares." Comparisons with WB and another forum are fairly moot.
That said, I have a few questions about this here proposed forum. Firstly, how much continual user input is required? I understand that there might be discussions about the nature of tabletop (magic, warhammer, D&D, etc.), but how many P&P game on threads would there be? Would there be huge threads encompasing an entire genre of X table-top game (i.e. magic) or would a new thread be made everytime there is news about the latest killer strat, module, or set coming out? Would you allow any number of [Game On!] Threads, or would you limit the amount? I can easily foresee the forum being active for a month, then becoming stagnant after being overrun by overambitious [Game On] threads. How would you propose a Game On thread even be done? Unlike other types of Game On's, a P&P game would require constant verbal communication, and would best be suited in a thread where the conversations could be archived. How would you plan to alleviate the forum from a barrage of [Game On]? Would people shun your thread or not respond if you made a thread applicable thread for this TTG forum in G&T?
I know very little about P&P, so I might not be the right one to reply to this. However.
Spearking from my experience with Warhammer stuff, there's a large amount of new stuff coming out for the Tau soon, and I could easily imagine a thread dedicated to that. You see what I mean? A [Game On] thread for miniature gaming wouldn't be feasible, which is why I'm not too concerned with them, but regarding the P&P aspect someone else is going to have to help me answer that.
I don't see why you're focusing exclusively on [Game On] threads in your questioning, though. There are a good number of Game On threads in G&T that never actually see the light of day even though they're simply electronic games either due to lack of interest or the game having been outdated by something new - and those threads take care of themselves.
My suggestion is for one massive, catch-all Chat Thread. Much like in most of the on-topic side forums. Here's folks can talk about whatever they want and more importantly garner interest for a GAME ON thread.
Then of course, there'd be several other threads for chatting on particular games. This won't be a constant rule seeing how a game like Serenity would only have one thread but a game like 40K would probably end up with a thread per army. But that's obvious seeing how 40K is pretty much the TT game out there.
Now, personal responsibility falls on the posters in the forum. Just because your buddy introduced you to "Game A" and your circle of friends think it's the shizzy, doesn't mean the forums will accept it as the second coming of DnD. Either use personal judgement or hit up the chat thread before making a thread about a game that isn't "mainstream"(D20, Games Workshop, White Wolf, etc)
Now, the best (and worst) part of this new forum....the [GAME ON] threads. These will make or break this new forum. And yes, I also see a thousands of these threads popping up immedietly as soon as the forum opens up, but hopefully people use some restrant. The first post of a Game On thread needs to be exceptionally well-constructed, much like an AC or WB work. The first post that is "Hay guyz, I'm gunna star a D&D campoaign and yuo should play" equals thread destruction. I'm going to steal Slarti's "get away from that, you tool" image for the TT forum if it's ever made. Folks who start a Game On thread need to have a vision, a goal for the thread. Basicially, they gotta be a good DM. The OP(DM or what-not) would have to constantly nurture his baby and be in constant contact with his players to make sure they put up. Pretty much a smaller version of the AC Tourney going on right now. If the TT forum was ruled with an iron fist like the Tourney forum, I can see it thriving.
In it's youth, the TT forum will need to be watched over like a toddler, but if given the time and patience, it'll come into it's own like every other forum out there now.
G&T frightens me with it's speed. I don't even bother posting in most TT threads since by the time I hit submit, there's already 10 more posts not even relating to what I was talking about.
Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. Tabletop threads in G&T have historically moved at a very reasonable pace.
I'm just opposed to compartmentalizing the forums in any way that's not absolutely necessary. I'd much rather deal with the problems presented by a big forum that moves quickly and covers a broad range of topics than deal with the other extreme: a bunch of small, relatively stagnant forums with individual cliques for each one.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited February 2006
I am neither throwing my banner for or against this idea, which is why I am asking a lot of questions.
I was not focusing exclusively on Game On! threads, but it was a large question in my mind, so let me clarify on that matter. The thing is, unlike say Starcraft or Counter-Strike, each D&D game would need it's own Game On! Thread, and I can easily see the forum being all but over-run by them. And as some forumers lose interest in doing these P&P games, the threads they had made will slowly die, causing the forum to be filled with the fetid corpses of forgotten D&D games. I think how the forum would handle such threads is a huge part of the feasibility of your proposed forum. Do you deny each person their own Game On thread? Do you consolidate? Do you limit the number of threads?
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
If the TT forum was ruled with an iron fist like the Tourney forum, I can see it thriving.
The 'Tourney forum' is not a proper forum that most users can even see, let alone post it. You are not a mod, Celestial, don't let the badge that you got to run the tourney go to your head.
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I am neither throwing my banner for or against this idea, which is why I am asking a lot of questions.
I was not focusing exclusively on Game On! threads, but it was a large question in my mind, so let me clarify on that matter. The thing is, unlike say Starcraft or Counter-Strike, each D&D game would need it's own Game On! Thread, and I can easily see the forum being all but over-run by them. And as some forumers lose interest in doing these P&P games, the threads they had made will slowly die, causing the forum to be filled with the fetid corpses of forgotten D&D games. I think how the forum would handle such threads is a huge part of the feasibility of your proposed forum. Do you deny each person their own Game On thread? Do you consolidate? Do you limit the number of threads?
But it's not all [Game On] D&D threads. It's also miniature wargaming and hobbyist stuff, and card collecting, and all the other miscellaneous stuff that isn't really technology.
I am neither throwing my banner for or against this idea, which is why I am asking a lot of questions.
I was not focusing exclusively on Game On! threads, but it was a large question in my mind, so let me clarify on that matter. The thing is, unlike say Starcraft or Counter-Strike, each D&D game would need it's own Game On! Thread, and I can easily see the forum being all but over-run by them. And as some forumers lose interest in doing these P&P games, the threads they had made will slowly die, causing the forum to be filled with the fetid corpses of forgotten D&D games. I think how the forum would handle such threads is a huge part of the feasibility of your proposed forum. Do you deny each person their own Game On thread? Do you consolidate? Do you limit the number of threads?
Iron fucking Fist. :P
Personally, I'd love to have potential DM's submit their ideas to someone before they make the actual post so that there's an impartial screen grabbing the leaves before they hit the pool, but, well, I'm kinda crazy and anal-retentive.
Like I said, an immense amount of impartial babying will be required to keep the forum clean. I remember when WB opened up. People were posting stories they wrote years ago in elementary school like idiots scrawling their names on a fresh bathroom stall. It'll happen with the TT forum too, but that's when the Iron Fist swings home, straight and true.
a full forum instead of single threads is much more conducive for organizing pen and paper games via forums
anyone who says it would be less active than Writers Block is retarded, writers block is a ghost town of agony and woe, and approaches a level of elitism that can be found in AC or DnD political threads.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I am neither throwing my banner for or against this idea, which is why I am asking a lot of questions.
I was not focusing exclusively on Game On! threads, but it was a large question in my mind, so let me clarify on that matter. The thing is, unlike say Starcraft or Counter-Strike, each D&D game would need it's own Game On! Thread, and I can easily see the forum being all but over-run by them. And as some forumers lose interest in doing these P&P games, the threads they had made will slowly die, causing the forum to be filled with the fetid corpses of forgotten D&D games. I think how the forum would handle such threads is a huge part of the feasibility of your proposed forum. Do you deny each person their own Game On thread? Do you consolidate? Do you limit the number of threads?
But it's not all [Game On] D&D threads. It's also miniature wargaming and hobbyist stuff, and card collecting, and all the other miscellaneous stuff that isn't really technology.
It might not be the entirerity of the forum, but you need to keep it in mind. It might be a minority, it might be a majority, it might not even happen, but you need to have a plan of action to go along with P&P Game On!'s if you want this idea to float.
For the record, I've made threads and particpated in threads involving MtG while in SE, I never found there to be any problem with this. I've seen more than a couple threads in the AC about minature painting (and they would probably be the ones you'd want to go to about that sort anyway). And then there is the WH2K thread in G&T. I don't exactly see a huge niche in need of filling, and I want to know how much thought you have put into this.
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I don't play the P&P stuff, as I indicated in the original post, so I can't say I'd be able to come up with the answer. I'm just trying to suggest this forum as a good way to consolidate interests - I rarely go to AC, for example, so I haven't seen any miniature painting threads there. But I'd expect to find, and look for, that sort of thing in a TT forum. Bringing PA'ers together in a common interest is the general spirit of this proposal.
Well, to steal a term from Verant(God bless ya) it all depends on people's individual "vision" of the forum.
Yes, a TT forum could "clique-ify" the entire forum moreso then it already is, but I don't see it causing intense problems since it would just be a organized setting for discussing a specific subject and getting together with folks from all over the forum to play some long distance tabletop games and sharing their exploits with the rest of the forum.
The interest in tabletop threads in G&T is well below the critical mass I would say is necessary to establish a whole subforum. As a big-time eurogamer I really don't see having a few threads in the forum for games being overly restrictive.
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This seems more concise an observation of the need for a new forum, since usually the ideas for "music" "movie" or "insert--game" forum rarely justifies a creation since they can easily be discussed elsewhere. Although I believe G&T is rather spread out, which is why they get as many posts as they do. Perhaps a little division could help in this particular instance.
Almost could break the forum into a few doubles catagories.. or not, just late night thought: Gaming (g&t, tabletop), Art (ac, wb), Discussion & Debate (dd), Tech & Life Support (h&a, md), and Everything else (old forum title with new use?) (links se++)
Writer's Block is more like Artist's Corner but less active, since those two are basically the same forum. And as said before, the same level of intellectual snobbery and fragile egos.
In any case, I don't think we need a subforum for tabletop gaming. We already have a forum for games, and I've never had any trouble getting my tabletop discussion fix through G&T.
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or read the forum, for that matter
edit: I've spent most of the time I've been a mod there trying to make it more accessible. If you've got specific complaints, please PM me so that I can work on them.
To add just a little to the table, it seems that P+P threads seem a little... 'light' when their in G&T, as opposed to their electronic counterparts. By this I mean that computer games will have themselves discussed, their developers discussed, buyouts and long-running debates touched. Though these are touched upon in the G&T threads on the matter, its very lightly and often drowns amidst all teh other discussion thats clogging up the thread (thats a riff on the fact that its all being crammed into a few threads, not the discussion itself).
For example, we have had many, many, MANY threads on 'EA is teh evol olololol', but if someone made a thread about how Peter Jackson Games sued the US government (and won!), I cant help but think it'd get locked, either for being off topic, or because so many G&Ters would end up thinking its out of place, and troll so hard it gets locked (dont deny this has happened before).
Also TT threads (due to the different nature of the hobby) would be mroe inclined to chug away for a long time unlike G&T threads that are born and then die fast.
I would enjoy a subforum, and I believe it would be viable.
If this went down, it needs to be thought out very carefully and not jumped into all willy-nilly. There needs to be a specific rules and guidelines pertaining to [GAME ON] thread creations and the OP's of each thread need to be active and....sorry, started to go off there. I'm really anal-retentive and the thought of organizing complex sets of rules just makes me tingly.
To sum up.
G&T: bad for organizing and discussion at speeds lower then warp drive.
TT Forum: teh secks
Second, would it be more feasible if it was a combined table top gaming and trading card forum?
Secondly, if it was in fact created, it would be TT, LARP, board games, ccgs....pretty much everything that's not 0's and 1's.
you just add it to a category and its there
then you create a usergroup to moderate the board
done
it takes about 5 minute
To put it simply TT games being forced into one thread each makes thing rather cramped.
I think it might be that the forums are crashing out every other day, from what I assume is heavy usage... adding more stress to the database with another board is probably something they want to avoid until we get a new forum that isn't trying to eat its own leg off.
Guys, Orik is right here. The WB is a very accessible land, and while yes, some of their members pull no punches whatsoever, you will not find them posting for the sake of belittling you. I've yet to see anyone in there that isn't at least trying to help, and the WB mod crew does a good job of keeping the place a positive, productive environment.
Maybe you're just too thin skinned to accept that your work might need improvement, or that it might have flaws. Maybe you should prefer to post it on your mother's fridge where it will only be praised, if this is your problem.
The point isn't that the WB is dead because the guys there are dicks, because that's not the case at all. The point is that it takes a lot of effort to contribute there and the regular expenditure of significant amounts of effort, even for something you really, really like, isn't something you can expect on a broad basis. You will never get enough forumers with enough dedication to the amount of work a tabletop gaming forum would require to stay active, except for in the bitchfest threads about whether or not D20 is like, totally gay compared to 2nd Ed.
So fuck off, srsly. It ain't happening because this is the most passionate any of you will ever be about the subject and there are like a dozen of you, tops. That's just not going to make such a thing work here. If you want to make your own tabletop gaming forum, do so, put it in your sigs and move on.
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First of all, this is not a topic for talking about WB or the individuals in it. Just because one bloke says the WB is full of pricks doesn't mean that you go off the chain, knock this thread off topic, and the "end all" response to this.
Certain individuals starting this topic for discussion about beginning a new sub-forum to our already thriving forum and you insult them by saying this is the most passionate they will be? Why don't you just suggest that we "move out of out parent's basements" or "date a real girl" because you are basically make a blanket stating over a certain group of people. You are not admin either, and I believe the final call in this subject falls into their domain.
You are a mod. Please lead by example.
Back on topic... This forum could work, most definetly. No one said WB would work, but Munk and the team there has made it work. No one thought Rinksvirre would recover from the "pornsville lol" downfall, but it did.
The interest is obviously there, and if you want someone to get behind it to make sure it works....
Sign me up.
A few things that bother me:
1. "Lawl lawl Writers Block" wasn't the intent of this thread, nor was it ever supposed to be, and I don't think because one person bashed that subforum, then got jailed for it, that it would be reason enough to completely shut down the discussion advocating a new subforum. Don't use it as a convenient excuse.
2. Why is it that every time I see you post, whether moderating or not, I'm blown away by how rude you are almost all of the time? Orik handled it gracefully and the conversation returned to where it should have been. Telling us to 'fuck off, srsly' is not something I would expect in a well-reasoned thread, aside from the trolling of WB which was uncalled for. I would imagine as a mod you would be working to keep the topic more on-track instead of trying to assassinate the thread. Also, casting blanket statements over those that are interested by saying that this is the pinnacle of the interest we can show in the topic is ridiculous.
3. The analogy to WB is actually an accurate one in the method you yourself presented it because tabletop gaming requires a large investment of time to pursue. In miniature gaming alone, there's a large amount of modelling, painting, and converting going on - it's the same thing as the Writer's Block, in that it wouldn't move as fast as the other forums because the content being discussed comes in more of a progressive manner than stuff in G&T.
It's easy to just say 'go to a different forum and do it there', and in all honesty, I do. I post a large amount at 5-6 different miniature wargaming sites daily at this point just because I like the discussions. My intent with asking for this subforum is to set up an environment inside PA where similar threads can be consolidated and PA posters can be included in one place.
Other than that, I would still appreciate an answer from Alphamonkey or Whippy regarding this idea.
That said, I have a few questions about this here proposed forum. Firstly, how much continual user input is required? I understand that there might be discussions about the nature of tabletop (magic, warhammer, D&D, etc.), but how many P&P game on threads would there be? Would there be huge threads encompasing an entire genre of X table-top game (i.e. magic) or would a new thread be made everytime there is news about the latest killer strat, module, or set coming out? Would you allow any number of [Game On!] Threads, or would you limit the amount? I can easily foresee the forum being active for a month, then becoming stagnant after being overrun by overambitious [Game On] threads. How would you propose a Game On thread even be done? Unlike other types of Game On's, a P&P game would require constant verbal communication, and would best be suited in a thread where the conversations could be archived. How would you plan to alleviate the forum from a barrage of [Game On]? Would people shun your thread or not respond if you made a thread applicable thread for this TTG forum in G&T?
I know very little about P&P, so I might not be the right one to reply to this. However.
Spearking from my experience with Warhammer stuff, there's a large amount of new stuff coming out for the Tau soon, and I could easily imagine a thread dedicated to that. You see what I mean? A [Game On] thread for miniature gaming wouldn't be feasible, which is why I'm not too concerned with them, but regarding the P&P aspect someone else is going to have to help me answer that.
I don't see why you're focusing exclusively on [Game On] threads in your questioning, though. There are a good number of Game On threads in G&T that never actually see the light of day even though they're simply electronic games either due to lack of interest or the game having been outdated by something new - and those threads take care of themselves.
Then of course, there'd be several other threads for chatting on particular games. This won't be a constant rule seeing how a game like Serenity would only have one thread but a game like 40K would probably end up with a thread per army. But that's obvious seeing how 40K is pretty much the TT game out there.
Now, personal responsibility falls on the posters in the forum. Just because your buddy introduced you to "Game A" and your circle of friends think it's the shizzy, doesn't mean the forums will accept it as the second coming of DnD. Either use personal judgement or hit up the chat thread before making a thread about a game that isn't "mainstream"(D20, Games Workshop, White Wolf, etc)
Now, the best (and worst) part of this new forum....the [GAME ON] threads. These will make or break this new forum. And yes, I also see a thousands of these threads popping up immedietly as soon as the forum opens up, but hopefully people use some restrant. The first post of a Game On thread needs to be exceptionally well-constructed, much like an AC or WB work. The first post that is "Hay guyz, I'm gunna star a D&D campoaign and yuo should play" equals thread destruction. I'm going to steal Slarti's "get away from that, you tool" image for the TT forum if it's ever made. Folks who start a Game On thread need to have a vision, a goal for the thread. Basicially, they gotta be a good DM. The OP(DM or what-not) would have to constantly nurture his baby and be in constant contact with his players to make sure they put up. Pretty much a smaller version of the AC Tourney going on right now. If the TT forum was ruled with an iron fist like the Tourney forum, I can see it thriving.
In it's youth, the TT forum will need to be watched over like a toddler, but if given the time and patience, it'll come into it's own like every other forum out there now.
I'm just opposed to compartmentalizing the forums in any way that's not absolutely necessary. I'd much rather deal with the problems presented by a big forum that moves quickly and covers a broad range of topics than deal with the other extreme: a bunch of small, relatively stagnant forums with individual cliques for each one.
I was not focusing exclusively on Game On! threads, but it was a large question in my mind, so let me clarify on that matter. The thing is, unlike say Starcraft or Counter-Strike, each D&D game would need it's own Game On! Thread, and I can easily see the forum being all but over-run by them. And as some forumers lose interest in doing these P&P games, the threads they had made will slowly die, causing the forum to be filled with the fetid corpses of forgotten D&D games. I think how the forum would handle such threads is a huge part of the feasibility of your proposed forum. Do you deny each person their own Game On thread? Do you consolidate? Do you limit the number of threads?
The 'Tourney forum' is not a proper forum that most users can even see, let alone post it. You are not a mod, Celestial, don't let the badge that you got to run the tourney go to your head.
But it's not all [Game On] D&D threads. It's also miniature wargaming and hobbyist stuff, and card collecting, and all the other miscellaneous stuff that isn't really technology.
Personally, I'd love to have potential DM's submit their ideas to someone before they make the actual post so that there's an impartial screen grabbing the leaves before they hit the pool, but, well, I'm kinda crazy and anal-retentive.
Like I said, an immense amount of impartial babying will be required to keep the forum clean. I remember when WB opened up. People were posting stories they wrote years ago in elementary school like idiots scrawling their names on a fresh bathroom stall. It'll happen with the TT forum too, but that's when the Iron Fist swings home, straight and true.
anyone who says it would be less active than Writers Block is retarded, writers block is a ghost town of agony and woe, and approaches a level of elitism that can be found in AC or DnD political threads.
It might not be the entirerity of the forum, but you need to keep it in mind. It might be a minority, it might be a majority, it might not even happen, but you need to have a plan of action to go along with P&P Game On!'s if you want this idea to float.
For the record, I've made threads and particpated in threads involving MtG while in SE, I never found there to be any problem with this. I've seen more than a couple threads in the AC about minature painting (and they would probably be the ones you'd want to go to about that sort anyway). And then there is the WH2K thread in G&T. I don't exactly see a huge niche in need of filling, and I want to know how much thought you have put into this.
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Here there be dragons, Jasc.
To Munkus:
I don't play the P&P stuff, as I indicated in the original post, so I can't say I'd be able to come up with the answer. I'm just trying to suggest this forum as a good way to consolidate interests - I rarely go to AC, for example, so I haven't seen any miniature painting threads there. But I'd expect to find, and look for, that sort of thing in a TT forum. Bringing PA'ers together in a common interest is the general spirit of this proposal.
Yes, a TT forum could "clique-ify" the entire forum moreso then it already is, but I don't see it causing intense problems since it would just be a organized setting for discussing a specific subject and getting together with folks from all over the forum to play some long distance tabletop games and sharing their exploits with the rest of the forum.
I see this as a good thing. Others may not.
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