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Petition for a Tabletop Gaming Subforum.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited February 2006
    Yeah, I agree that G&T is very busy. And tabletop gaming and miniature painting certainly isn't, so I think threads would tend to drown in the other traffic there and be dredged back from page 2+ all the time.

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  • EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Napoleon wrote:
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    Sorry.

    Considering that I threw together a tabletop forum that currently has all of four threads, I'd say the odds of a subforum are slim to none around here.

    Yes, but you not accounting for people too lazy to sign up for a another person's forums when the believe it would be easier just to tag it on here.

    Also, the "There's only X threads on G&T" could be used against the comic forum prior to its inception.

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  • EinEin CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Echo:

    I've not posted on the forums you set up because I'm waiting to see what happens here first.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    I have enough pages bookmarked already for regular consumption, I am not starting to visit regularly another forum.

    No way, no how.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    a rule against asking for munchkin advice is kinda silly
    that is what some people enjoy doing in certain games.
    The forum should probably be inclusive..and rules favoring one play style over another kinda defeats that
    if powergaming threads do magically massively overwhelm the board, then mods could consolidate and do something like have a "powergamer's tips and strategies" single thread.
    Munchkin gaming and powergaming are generally very different.

    One strives to be the best they can be within the rules. The other strives to be the best they can be within loopholes, and at the cost of people who don't want to risk breaking character just to smash your characters skull in.

    yes, lets not bicker about hypothetical topics ina hypothetical subforum just yet guys. It will be up to the hypothetical mods to decide what will be hypothetically off limts.
    Why don't you hypothetically go fuck yourself.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    EvilBadman wrote:
    Echo wrote:
    Napoleon wrote:
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    Sorry.

    Considering that I threw together a tabletop forum that currently has all of four threads, I'd say the odds of a subforum are slim to none around here.

    Yes, but you not accounting for people too lazy to sign up for a another person's forums when the believe it would be easier just to tag it on here.

    Also, the "There's only X threads on G&T" could be used against the comic forum prior to its inception.

    Not really, because there was a singular thread to handle any and all comic enquiries beforehand.

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  • -SPI--SPI- Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Considering that I threw together a tabletop forum that currently has all of four threads, I'd say the odds of a subforum are slim to none around here.
    As neato as that is, I think the point is that people want it on the PA boards. I mean, i could go to Librarium Online for 40K stuff or Wizard's forum for D&D talk, but it just doesn't feel right. Personally, I love it here and I feel weird when I'm on another board, like I'm cheating on my first love or something equally retarded.
    Bingo, my thoughts exactly.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    -SPI- wrote:
    Echo wrote:
    Considering that I threw together a tabletop forum that currently has all of four threads, I'd say the odds of a subforum are slim to none around here.
    As neato as that is, I think the point is that people want it on the PA boards. I mean, i could go to Librarium Online for 40K stuff or Wizard's forum for D&D talk, but it just doesn't feel right. Personally, I love it here and I feel weird when I'm on another board, like I'm cheating on my first love or something equally retarded.
    Bingo, my thoughts exactly.

    If I wanted to just talk about boardgames on a forum I could go to boardgamegeeks. I want to talk about boardgames at PA, with other PA'ers. I know that you made a PA Subforum, but maybe the reason for the lack of activity is because it's not really a PA forum.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    i don't even think its that


    i would just like to come to one URL and have all my goddam discussion boards on one page



    could you imagine if we had a different domain for every subforum

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  • LitejediLitejedi New York CityRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    I'd actually return to posting, were there a forum of this type.

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  • sullijosullijo mid-level minion subterranean bunkerRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    I heartly endorse a subform.

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  • LitejediLitejedi New York CityRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Furthermore, my knowledge in this field is not limited to that associated with RPGs. I also am a heavy board-style game player, though I generally am more interested in independent/German games over the standard Milton-Bradley style games.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Litejedi wrote:
    Furthermore, my knowledge in this field is not limited to that associated with RPGs. I also am a heavy board-style game player, though I generally am more interested in independent/German games over the standard Milton-Bradley style games.
    Yeah, there are quite a few of us with a taste for boardgames although it tends to only be represented through the usually quite painfail boardgame threads that pop up every now and again. Which are usually just pretty much a poll thread where people type in the name of a few random games or where we argue about whether Risk is good or not.

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  • nindustrialnindustrial Word Typer Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Mojo_Jojo wrote:
    Litejedi wrote:
    Furthermore, my knowledge in this field is not limited to that associated with RPGs. I also am a heavy board-style game player, though I generally am more interested in independent/German games over the standard Milton-Bradley style games.
    Yeah, there are quite a few of us with a taste for boardgames although it tends to only be represented through the usually quite painfail boardgame threads that pop up every now and again. Which are usually just pretty much a poll thread where people type in the name of a few random games or where we argue about whether Risk is good or not.

    True; I'd love to be able to discuss WotR strategies with other people here.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Mojo_Jojo wrote:
    Litejedi wrote:
    Furthermore, my knowledge in this field is not limited to that associated with RPGs. I also am a heavy board-style game player, though I generally am more interested in independent/German games over the standard Milton-Bradley style games.
    Yeah, there are quite a few of us with a taste for boardgames although it tends to only be represented through the usually quite painfail boardgame threads that pop up every now and again. Which are usually just pretty much a poll thread where people type in the name of a few random games or where we argue about whether Risk is good or not.

    True; I'd love to be able to discuss WotR strategies with other people here.

    Or a thread with TI3 ( or any other game of your choice ) variants and homebrew rules. Or threads on on general table top gaming design and theory. I mean really, the potential for discussion in a Table Top forum is just as great as anything we would see in AC, D&D or WB, if not greater.

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  • LitejediLitejedi New York CityRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Also, I've never posted in G&T ever because from what I have read, most of the people there squabble about console games, which are almost entirely irrelevant to my life.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Litejedi wrote:
    Also, I've never posted in G&T ever because from what I have read, most of the people there squabble about console games, which are almost entirely irrelevant to my life.

    I don't post in SE++ because it is just too fucking insain. It is not comfortable to go in there, even though there are a few threads I would paticipate in.

    If there was some sort of warm fuzzy middle ground where all the table top folks could get together, well. World peace is a bit much, but it would be a big step towards me not hating everything.

    Something moderated and on topic, but not so zellous as G+T. Something slightly less pompus than D&D. Some place where phezer won't jail me for calling someone a douchebag. ...uhh.... somewhere that does not smell bad like AC.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    redx wrote:
    Litejedi wrote:
    Also, I've never posted in G&T ever because from what I have read, most of the people there squabble about console games, which are almost entirely irrelevant to my life.

    I don't post in SE++ because it is just too fucking insain. It is not comfortable to go in there, even though there are a few threads I would paticipate in.

    If there was some sort of warm fuzzy middle ground where all the table top folks could get together, well. World peace is a bit much, but it would be a big step towards me not hating everything.

    Something moderated and on topic, but not so zellous as G+T. Something slightly less pompus than D&D. Some place where phezer won't jail me for calling someone a douchebag. ...uhh.... somewhere that does not smell bad like AC.

    See, the thing about this kind of post, is that it makes making a new forum counterintuitive to me. It's not that the other forums aren't sufficient, it's that you just don't like them.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    The only thing I don't like is how it's all of a sudden a fucking beaurocracy just to get a subforum just to see if it would work.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    redx wrote:
    Litejedi wrote:
    Also, I've never posted in G&T ever because from what I have read, most of the people there squabble about console games, which are almost entirely irrelevant to my life.

    I don't post in SE++ because it is just too fucking insain. It is not comfortable to go in there, even though there are a few threads I would paticipate in.

    If there was some sort of warm fuzzy middle ground where all the table top folks could get together, well. World peace is a bit much, but it would be a big step towards me not hating everything.

    Something moderated and on topic, but not so zellous as G+T. Something slightly less pompus than D&D. Some place where phezer won't jail me for calling someone a douchebag. ...uhh.... somewhere that does not smell bad like AC.

    See, the thing about this kind of post, is that it makes making a new forum counterintuitive to me. It's not that the other forums aren't sufficient, it's that you just don't like them.
    The current avenues open are sufficient in the same way that AC was sufficient for Writer's Block. In theory, it sounds wonderful. In practice, tabletop threads, like WB threads, move very slowly and, as such, get pushed off the front few pages very quickly which kills any interest in the discussion. Not to mention that G&T has some sort of stigma attached to it which makes it unattractive to pretty much everyone else, and while saying "hey that's not out fault those dudes should stop being stupid" is great and all, it's not really going to work.

    We've demonstrated that we have an audience and a broad range of topics to discuss. What more, precisely, do you want?

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    have they ever managed a campaign in g+t?

    The ones i've seem om D&D and se++ didn't work out too well.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    See, the thing about this kind of post, is that it makes making a new forum counterintuitive to me. It's not that the other forums aren't sufficient, it's that you just don't like them.
    The current avenues open are sufficient in the same way that AC was sufficient for Writer's Block. In theory, it sounds wonderful. In practice, tabletop threads, like WB threads, move very slowly and, as such, get pushed off the front few pages very quickly which kills any interest in the discussion. Not to mention that G&T has some sort of stigma attached to it which makes it unattractive to pretty much everyone else, and while saying "hey that's not out fault those dudes should stop being stupid" is great and all, it's not really going to work.

    We've demonstrated that we have an audience and a broad range of topics to discuss. What more, precisely, do you want?
    Yeah, for instance, someone mentioned in Vent that someone was running a Paranoia game, so I went looking:

    The last post in the thread was all of two days ago, and it was on page four. The problem with using G&T for tabletop discussion, as everyone has said, is that the threads just drop off the page too damn fast. Has anyone considered the possibility that an entire forum for all games and all technology might be a little too "big tent" for a forum which is established around a comic which is pretty much entirely about games? As in, while a Tabletop Gaming subforum is a good idea, in and of itself, for all of you that say "that's covered by G&T," isn't there a possibility that G&T covers too much to be able to do it well? Maybe instead of those of us in favor of the forum saying why we need the new one, those of you against it can explain why G&T shouldn't have some of the excessive pressure taken off of it?

    Just an idea.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    redx wrote:
    have they ever managed a campaign in g+t?

    The ones i've seem om D&D and se++ didn't work out too well.

    That's because

    1) It's impossible to conduct ANYTHING seriously in SE++ and there is no set of moderator rules that can cater to that.

    2) Same thing with G+T, any thread is open to out of character discussion ect and there is no outlined set of rules that would let us conduct such threads without interferance.

    Another problem with G+T, as metioned, is that the forum moves way too fucking fast. If a thread goes more than 5 hours without a reply then its lost.


    This tabletop forum makes sense in every possible spectrum and I have yet to hear an actual reason as to why it's a BAD idea other than the moderators opinion on how unsuccesful it might be based off of other subforums which much more narrow subjects.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Jasconius wrote:
    redx wrote:
    have they ever managed a campaign in g+t?

    The ones i've seem om D&D and se++ didn't work out too well.

    That's because

    1) It's impossible to conduct ANYTHING seriously in SE++ and there is no set of moderator rules that can cater to that.

    2) Same thing with G+T, any thread is open to out of character discussion ect and there is no outlined set of rules that would let us conduct such threads without interferance.

    Another problem with G+T, as metioned, is that the forum moves way too fucking fast. If a thread goes more than 5 hours without a reply then its lost.

    cool so they have not managed it. the one in se++ was probably the best. It went for a while.

    The one or two in D&D died real quick.

    The whole point was that, there is no current forum where they will work. It is not just a interforum thing. They really don't work in G+T. They Really can not be done in SE++, and they fail in D&D. AC? don't make me beat you. Totaly does not belong there. One tiny part of it belongs there, and most of the people would be scared to post about it anyway.

    They held their own in the CYOA forum, but outside of that they all end in tears. They CYOA forum was slow, moderated, and not entierly full of homps who want to talk about politics.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    The Werewolf game is still going strong. In fact, it has too many players.

    The Paranoia games will probably develop into a series, but that's more due to the one-shot friendly format of it than any other factor.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    The Werewolf game is still going strong. In fact, it has too many players.

    The Paranoia games will probably develop into a series, but that's more due to the one-shot friendly format of it than any other factor.

    duh.... where? G+T?

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    redx wrote:
    The Werewolf game is still going strong. In fact, it has too many players.

    The Paranoia games will probably develop into a series, but that's more due to the one-shot friendly format of it than any other factor.

    duh.... where? G+T?
    Yes, in G&T.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    The Werewolf game is still going strong. In fact, it has too many players.
    So does the SR game, for now, but we've already had to create another thread for it because the first one - the one with everyone's charsheets - got messy, then lost. It's the sort of thing that frustrates people and kills discussion on this sort of stuff.

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  • EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Jasconius wrote:
    The only thing I don't like is how it's all of a sudden a fucking beaurocracy just to get a subforum just to see if it would work.

    While this hits the nail on the head rather bluntly, it does ring true. The Bizzaro Entropy forum was made with less belly-aching. And that was a goddamn joke. What's the hold up on making one and giving it a probationary period. No one said have it set in stone.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    EvilBadman wrote:
    Jasconius wrote:
    The only thing I don't like is how it's all of a sudden a fucking beaurocracy just to get a subforum just to see if it would work.
    While this hits the nail on the head rather bluntly, it does ring true. The Bizzaro Entropy forum was made with less belly-aching. And that was a goddamn joke. What's the hold up on making one and giving it a probationary period. No one said have it set in stone.
    I can understand the administrative holdup on this. I'm sure they want to work out details and things in the mod forums, not to mention that Alpha is quite busy. Also, I can think of probably 10 of these sorts of requests over the past year; it's not a good idea to create a subforum just because someone asks. Thought should go into it.

    Not to mention that it's not like demand is going to dry up just because we don't see it for another week. Good things take time. :P

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    It takes about 4 seconds to create a subforum with PHPBB and the structure of that forum would be determined by the moderators of THAT forum.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    it takes a lot to get rid of a forum though. Like, you'll get all sorts of people bitching and delaying and next thing you know, the last post in a froum was months ago.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    redx wrote:
    it takes a lot to get rid of a forum though. Like, you'll get all sorts of people bitching and delaying and next thing you know, the last post in a froum was months ago.
    The forum you have selected does not exist

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    redx wrote:
    it takes a lot to get rid of a forum though. Like, you'll get all sorts of people bitching and delaying and next thing you know, the last post in a froum was months ago.
    The forum you have selected does not exist
    You are not special enough. Go and give yourself rights to the magic forum.

    The last post was 6 months ago.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    redx wrote:
    redx wrote:
    it takes a lot to get rid of a forum though. Like, you'll get all sorts of people bitching and delaying and next thing you know, the last post in a froum was months ago.
    The forum you have selected does not exist
    You are not special enough. Go and give yourself rights to the magic forum.

    The last post was 6 months ago.
    Oh, that one.

    Yeah.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    redx wrote:
    redx wrote:
    it takes a lot to get rid of a forum though. Like, you'll get all sorts of people bitching and delaying and next thing you know, the last post in a froum was months ago.
    The forum you have selected does not exist
    You are not special enough. Go and give yourself rights to the magic forum.

    The last post was 6 months ago.
    Oh, that one.

    Yeah.

    That was all very promising until I totally lost interest in posting here at all.

    Now that I have rediscovered my inner troll however I enjoy foruming again, but have little interest in trying to revive shit that I barely even recall.

    Meaning that really, we could just change the name and permissions on that forum and add a rules charter and saddle some kind of ho-mo-sexual with moderating it, and then run for the hills.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    I was kinda thinking something like that. and if people wanted to run with the magic thing, more power to them 2 birds 1 stone.

    I agree that Litejedi would make a good mod for it too.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    Jasconius wrote:
    The only thing I don't like is how it's all of a sudden a fucking beaurocracy just to get a subforum just to see if it would work.

    I don't like how you assume we pull these things out of our asses.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    Also, the D&D game in SE worked fine until the GM (pony) disappeared.

    EDIT: CYOA failed because of the limited access to even view the stuff.

    Before the WB, it was damn near impossible for me to get any comment on my writing. I tried multiple times in AC, and no one seemed to know things. The thread in H/A proved that there was interest for such a forum, but having everything limited to one thread was stagnating crits. It was about that time the Bone Daddy approached me about creating a writing forum. I agreed, and we spent a month or two working on the rules and prepping the forums. The total time for all of this? Between 6 or 9 months, mabye more. See how long that took, the whole process of it? Getting a forum to pop out like this is unheard of, so have patience with your mods, dammit.

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