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The XBLIG Thread - where we discuss the games, not the programming :P

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    mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I haven't even seen most of those games.

    Just shows have much crap you have to wade through to find something decent.

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    bigwillchbigwillch Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Really liking Ninja360 that came out this week. Does a good job of creating 'gottabeatmyhighscore' gameplay. Excellent production values as well.

    http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Ninja360/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802585507ba

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    BalrogBalrog Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Complex.com just did an article featuring what they think are the top 25 best XBLIGs.
    http://www.complex.com/video-games/2011/02/underground-kings-the-25-best-xbox-live-games/

    Here's the list:

    25. Z0MB1ES
    24. Miasma: Citizens of Free Thought
    23. Murky Horizon
    22. Abaddon: Retribution
    21. Monsters (Probably) Stole My Princess
    20. Platformance: Castle Pain
    19. Commander - World 1
    18. B.U.T.T.O.N.
    17. Gravitron360
    16. Ancient Trader
    15. Aphelion - Episode 2: Wings of Omega
    14. Clover: A Curious Tale
    13. Protect Me Knight
    12. Curse of the Crescent Isle
    11. Flotilla
    10. Arkedo Series - 03 Pixel!
    9. Astroman
    8. Soulcaster
    7. Score Rush
    6. Aban Hawkins & The 1000 Spikes
    5. Cthulhu Saves the World
    4. Epic Dungeon
    3. Treasure Treasure: Fortress Forage: Extra Edition
    2. Decimation X3
    1. Hypership Out of Control

    That's a pretty good list. Especially #12 8-)

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    DyvionDyvion Back in Sunny Florida!!Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    CStW was robbed! It's definitely better than Epic Dungeon (which is a good game). And I really enjoyed Soulcaster as well.

    But no Minor Dig Deep? Top 25 list fail!

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    SmallCaveGamesSmallCaveGames Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I think it skews a bit late 2010-2011. Good list - like that they focused on true original games - some picks are a little odd in my opinion but that's why it's not my list! :)

    What's Treasure Treasure? Did I miss that or is it recent?

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    RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Treasure Treasure is a puzzle platformer that looks like it's a Game Boy game. Done by the Johnny Platform dev.

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    fragglefartfragglefart Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah I need to try that.

    Just tried Tempura of the Dead, holy crap is that demo fun - will be buying the full game tomorrow!

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    Gaspode_TGaspode_T Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I read on Twitter that there are still a huge # of games in the release pipeline because of the deadline to release XNA 3.1 games. I think it said something like 80 games?? That's pretty crazy (and bad if some gems get lost in the mix)

    The Treasure Treasure game was overlooked, I didn't buy it but I think the only reason was that I didn't have points on my account at the time (or I was addicted to downloading Rock Band 2 songs, either is the same result...)

    You have to see the screens to believe it, it really does look like a Game Boy game: http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Treasure-Treasure-FFEE/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258550637

    Ninja 360 really deserves more sales, it's kind of like a mix between Super Meat Boy and ... Cameltry?? (On The Ball) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameltry It seems easy at first but gets harder, really creative game.

    I heard Rotor is good but haven't checked it out yet.

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    fragglefartfragglefart Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Rotor is very pretty but I found the controls a bit tricky and man did it make me dizzy! D:

    Palette swaps are totaly cool though.

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    floatstarpxfloatstarpx Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Gaspode_T wrote: »
    I read on Twitter that there are still a huge # of games in the release pipeline because of the deadline to release XNA 3.1 games. I think it said something like 80 games?? That's pretty crazy (and bad if some gems get lost in the mix)

    about 70 at the moment.. I've got a "free" day that I was expecting, so I'm hoping to review a few.
    Ninja 360 really deserves more sales, it's kind of like a mix between Super Meat Boy and ... Cameltry?? (On The Ball) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameltry It seems easy at first but gets harder, really creative game.

    I played a bit but it didn't really jump out at me... I liked the 'mario galaxy' style rotating world stuff, but the controls felt a bit odd... and I wasn't keen on the whole "time trial" aspect of it - I think it would've been cooler using the mechanic with big levels with enemies, rather than time trialling small single puzzley levels. It was still pretty good tho - don't get me wrong!

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    Gaspode_TGaspode_T Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    The guy posting over at NeoGAF made a pretty nice blog about XBLIG games: http://xboxindies.wordpress.com/

    There is one in Japanese which I like even better, so let me translate an entry from it which shows an example of why it's funny. Maybe try auto-translate, it literally has reviews of almost every single game! He's actually posting videos of playing these to NicoNico Douga (the Japanese version of YouTube) which I will have to hunt down and watch.

    http://hakotossdm.blog42.fc2.com/

    From review of A Lot of Balls:

    "4人までプレイできるが、こんなのをパーティーゲームとして採用したのならば友達をなくすのが目に見えている"->"While this game might allow 4-player multiplayer, I can imagine that trying to use this during a party would end up in losing your friends"

    He really tears a new one into most non-games like Voice Changer 360 and M2AF

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    Matthew DoucetteMatthew Doucette Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Complex.com just did an article featuring what they think are the top 25 best XBLIGs.
    http://www.complex.com/video-games/2011/02/underground-kings-the-25-best-xbox-live-games/

    Here's the list:

    25. Z0MB1ES
    24. Miasma: Citizens of Free Thought
    23. Murky Horizon
    22. Abaddon: Retribution
    21. Monsters (Probably) Stole My Princess
    20. Platformance: Castle Pain
    19. Commander - World 1
    18. B.U.T.T.O.N.
    17. Gravitron360
    16. Ancient Trader
    15. Aphelion - Episode 2: Wings of Omega
    14. Clover: A Curious Tale
    13. Protect Me Knight
    12. Curse of the Crescent Isle
    11. Flotilla
    10. Arkedo Series - 03 Pixel!
    9. Astroman
    8. Soulcaster
    7. Score Rush
    6. Aban Hawkins & The 1000 Spikes
    5. Cthulhu Saves the World
    4. Epic Dungeon
    3. Treasure Treasure: Fortress Forage: Extra Edition
    2. Decimation X3
    1. Hypership Out of Control

    Wow, our games came in at #7 and #2... that's amazing for us. Should post the list again with marketplace links. Here's ours, quick from my site:

    http://marketplace.xbox.com/Product/Score-Rush/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d8025855071c
    http://marketplace.xbox.com/Product/Decimation-X3/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258550717

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    Matthew DoucetteMatthew Doucette Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I haven't even seen most of those games.

    Just shows have much crap you have to wade through to find something decent.

    That's exactly the problem with XBLIG. I sent a proposal to the co-founder of XBLIG to fix this. Would love to hear your thoughts on it:

    Changing the Face of XBLIG: Proposed Changes to XBLIG Dashboard (Final Draft)
    http://xona.com/2010/11/15.html

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    AlejandroDaJAlejandroDaJ Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I love the idea, but did something happen to your MS Connect page? I got a 404 when I tried to vote.

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    Matthew DoucetteMatthew Doucette Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I love the idea, but did something happen to your MS Connect page? I got a 404 when I tried to vote.

    MS's lovely redirects when you don't have permission... how do they expect anyone new to come along with this...

    I think you need to have a Windows Live ID account or something. Maybe go here and sign in (it's free): http://connect.microsoft.com/

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    AlejandroDaJAlejandroDaJ Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I, uh, make games for XNA, dude. I already have a Live account. :wink:

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    Matthew DoucetteMatthew Doucette Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I, uh, make games for XNA, dude. I already have a Live account. :wink:

    Ohhh sorry! What games are yours? I have no idea why the link does not work for you. Have you tried signing in on the main connect page?

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    slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    That Connect site is always screwey. You might try logging in, logging out, then logging back in to vote. For some reason that works sometimes.

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    AlejandroDaJAlejandroDaJ Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I, uh, make games for XNA, dude. I already have a Live account. :wink:

    Ohhh sorry! What games are yours? I have no idea why the link does not work for you. Have you tried signing in on the main connect page?

    Oh, nothing distinguished, I made a simple geography game called Around The World that had the misfortune of coming out after Globe Clicker. I just wanted to make a joke: "You, uh, follow me on Twitter. Remember? No? I dropped you off at the airport, that was me. Still no? Um, I was the best man at your wedding. That... that doesn't ring any bells? Uh, alright then."

    I'll try logging out and logging in again on the Connect page.

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    malcolmmmalcolmm Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I downloaded about a dozen of the games that were most often recommended here. Almost all my PC game purchases are indie games, so I was expecting to find some hidden gems.
    Unfortunately I didn't find any hidden gems, at best these games are okay. I realize I'm not paying much for these games, but in most cases they aren't even worth 80 points. Most of the games are clones of existing games. Those that are original aren't much fun.

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    fragglefartfragglefart Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    O_o

    Really?

    Crazy. Just goes to prove horses for courses, I suppose.

    What games did you try?

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    slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Eh, to each their own.

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    acidlacedpenguinacidlacedpenguin Institutionalized Safe in jail.Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    So FortressCraft-- wherein we reverse-engineer minecraft's jar then flip it on XBLA as our own work. Looks pretty neato and I can tell it's worth the money because it is a game I've already played before!

    thoughts?

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    Gaspode_TGaspode_T Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'm reading that it will actually have gameplay inspired by Dwarf Fortress and Railroad Tycoon, so as compared to Minecraft's nearly non-existant gameplay I think that will be a big advantage.

    I am kind of confused about the strategy of releasing different packs that simply extend gameplay, but we'll see how gamers react to that.

    Minecraft runs like crap on my laptop at home and make the CPU run hot. If they port it to iPad I might buy it for that just to be able to "play with Legos" sort of building, but for me the novelty wore off and exploring caves solo kind of got boring. I tried to jump into a multiplayer server full of professional game developers and that was basically not very fun because a bunch of artists had imported things way more complex than I would be able to make, like gigantic fortresses that extend into the sky, I wish I could share the IP of that server :)

    I was actually kind of disappointed that Notch took all the money from Minecraft proceeds (including mine) and didn't immediately start to work on a much improved version of Minecraft (either for consoles or phones or whatever), they are working on something else instead. I respect their balls, but I feel like they should at least do both at the same time to give back to their donations sooner than later.

    Back to on-topic, the hot topic of XBLIG is actually some games recently released that have you undressing monsters after you beat them in battle. It seems that the game is actually a ripoff of a popular Japanese adult PC game, I see some Japanese gamers tweeting about it "this would be pretty cool, but it seems to be made by some foreign guys to just look like a Japanese game"

    GDC is coming up very soon, hopefully there will be announcements around XNA.

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    RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Gaspode_T wrote: »
    It seems that the game is actually a ripoff of a popular Japanese adult PC game, I see some Japanese gamers tweeting about it "this would be pretty cool, but it seems to be made by some foreign guys to just look like a Japanese game"

    Is this anti-foreign opinion a common sentiment among Japanese gamers? I know our RPGs have sold pretty pathetic amounts in Japan, despite being very similar to Dragon Quest in style. Cthulhu Saves the World has only sold 29 copies in Japan and the trial has only been download 281 times. Contrast that to our worldwide sales figure of over 11,000 sales and over 27,000 trials. Now, I wasn't expecting to light up the charts or anything seeing as how our game is in English, but I imagine if a good Japanese RPG w/no English text came out on XBLIG, it would get a fair number of purchases and downloads from hardcore gamers. I'm surprised it doesn't work the other way around.

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    Gaspode_TGaspode_T Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I wouldn't say it's anti-foreign, it's more like "so close, yet so far" frustration.

    The art style looks somewhat anime-ish to Westerners, but to them it's a fry cry off. It's kind of comparable to the reaction of Western gamers when Japanese try to make a gritzy FPS. It goes for both indie games and full scale AAA games, so I wouldn't feel bad about it...I think the easiest way to solve would be to find some Japanese manga-ka guy willing to draw art for free. Most of them are in starving artist situations anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised if they would do some limited amount for free. I've seen stories of western artists that make anime/manga style art that is nearly indistinguishable but they are probably the ones who would want to charge you $$.

    I wish some Japanese indie programmers would be open to collaborate, but unfortunately English skills are not very strong over here and Japanese people tend to be shy and open up only over a round of beers or night of karaoke singing. Certainly many of them on XBLIG are working with less support than you guys probably have, so they would probably love that people took an interest in helping them.

    There's also a small cult following of XBLIG games in Japan that is more around the high scoring games, I'm not sure how many there are but one of them is on my friends list and she has insane scores in some of those Radiangames/Xona Games. She plays the same games every week: Pac Man DX, Pinball FX2, Hydro Thunder, Game Room, XBLIG. It's kind of like the last stand of arcade gaming, I can't say it's a huge # of people but they are dedicated enough to keep one company afloat nearly by themselves (Cave).

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    bigwillchbigwillch Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    malcolmm wrote: »
    I downloaded about a dozen of the games that were most often recommended here. Almost all my PC game purchases are indie games, so I was expecting to find some hidden gems.
    Unfortunately I didn't find any hidden gems, at best these games are okay. I realize I'm not paying much for these games, but in most cases they aren't even worth 80 points. Most of the games are clones of existing games. Those that are original aren't much fun.

    Did you try Protect Me Knight?

    Or Pixel?

    I haven't even seen most of those games.

    Just shows have much crap you have to wade through to find something decent.

    That's exactly the problem with XBLIG. I sent a proposal to the co-founder of XBLIG to fix this. Would love to hear your thoughts on it:

    Changing the Face of XBLIG: Proposed Changes to XBLIG Dashboard (Final Draft)
    http://xona.com/2010/11/15.html

    The dashboard needs a random game option in my opinion

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    SmallCaveGamesSmallCaveGames Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I tried Wizard's Keep - I think it's quite good. However, I am not sure if sales will reflect it's quality level. The graphics won't be for everyone and there's no hook at all in the demo (I made that same mistake with my game).

    It's the type of game that needs 30-60 minutes to show it's depth.

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    hatedinamericahatedinamerica Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, I just bought Wizard's Keep too. It's pretty cool, definitely reminds me of Miner Dig Deep, graphics wise, and the just the way it works in general. Not a huge fan of the combat, but it's whatever. I've made it a couple levels into the Goblin cave or dungeon, or whatever it's called.

    I'm just glad to give them my money so they keep making games. Maybe they'll recapture the magic of Miner Dig Deep, maybe not. Either way I wanna see what they come up with.

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Anyone played Final Rift? It seems like the kind of game I've wanted for years, a free-roaming space thing. I gave the trial a go over the weekend, but 5 minutes or so really isn't long enough to figure out a game like that. I mean, 80pts is hardly a loss if it does suck, but still.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Damn you for mentioning Miner Dig Deep, you made me start another mine

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    DyvionDyvion Back in Sunny Florida!!Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Damn you for mentioning Miner Dig Deep, you made me start another mine

    Ooh. What's behind this rock? Lemme dig over to that gem. There's some ore! Just one more square, I know I can find more ore... just one more square...

    Oh noes, my lamp! It is low on oil!

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I can stop digging anytime

    Anytime I feel like it

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    So FortressCraft-- wherein we reverse-engineer minecraft's jar then flip it on XBLA as our own work. Looks pretty neato and I can tell it's worth the money because it is a game I've already played before!

    thoughts?

    It's pretty silly that they're pretending this was inspired by Dwarf Fortress and Railroad Tycoon. It's literally Minecraft with new textures and, seemingly, fewer craftable objects.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy3dJM2ju0&feature=related

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    Gaspode_TGaspode_T Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Someone try The Sugar Killers and report back with results, new Castle Crashers?? style game that looks immense for a XBLIG game.

    It's the first 400 pt game in a while on the service, I'm curious to see how it will do...

    http://www.xblaratings.com/component/content/article/3851-the-sugar-killerz

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    fragglefartfragglefart Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Yeah I nearly bought that last night, need to try the demo methinks.

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    FunHazardFunHazard Registered User new member
    edited March 2011
    Hi!

    I'm Giordano Ruffaldi, Fun Hazard founder (http://www.funhazard.com/)

    Thanks for your interest in our latest game The Sugar Killerz!

    We have updated the official site to give more information about the game, enjoy!
    http://www.thesugarkillerz.com/tour.html

    You may also enjoy some videos about the game: http://www.thesugarkillerz.com/videos.html

    :)

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    DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    So I just popped in to say that anyone who likes multiplayer party games and hasn't played B.U.T.T.O.N. yet needs to. ASAP.

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    FunInfusedGamesFunInfusedGames Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Just a couple things we're working on right now. World of Chalk is what we're getting ready for Dream Build Play. The other Volcano game is a smaller scope game that should be out before then. Its pretty fun though, a bit like a less gruesome Super Meat Boy minus the wall-jumping.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BE0SGTl-k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f6Gbp5bLTE

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    SmallCaveGamesSmallCaveGames Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
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