Yep, I was skeptical at first but my therapist pointed me to a bunch of meta-analyses of it and while they can't seem to explain it, it has comparable success rates to SSRI and straight talk therapy treatments. For me, my course of treatment is Talk therapy, EMDR, and group therapy. It's been effective enough that I've been able to avoid going back on SSRIs.
Eh, even if all of the theoretical basis is bullshit it's possible that it is just very effectively utilizes the placebo effect, like it generates a lot of confidence due to some combination of plausibility, the appearance of a strong scientific basis, and the subject's own perception of being treated.
There have been some comparison studies that have looked at outcomes of EMDR verse pill placebo and EMDR does significantly better.
Oh, yeah, I checked out the study.
What I'm saying is that not all placebos are created equal. It may be that the method exploits placebo psychology particularly effectively, even if it may do so accidentally.
But then again maybe it has a stronger theoretical basis than I realize, I don't know a lot about memory formation yet.
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quick i need someone who is vegetarian/vegan or just vegetarian/vegan friendly to high five me over how awesome this recipe sounds
no haters please
I wish I could but I don't like cooked oranges. And 'tofu scramble' sounds terrible.
Still, not hating. If you like it, huzzah for you. :^:
such a hater
:P
So, I'm vegan.
But, I'm a breakfast hater.
Breakfast can die in a fire. Maybe, it'll turn out better.
I'm soooo sorry. Eggs and bacon are two of the most delicious thing on the planet. Or have vegans finally declared bacon as a vegetable so they can get some of that delicousness?
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Yep, I was skeptical at first but my therapist pointed me to a bunch of meta-analyses of it and while they can't seem to explain it, it has comparable success rates to SSRI and straight talk therapy treatments. For me, my course of treatment is Talk therapy, EMDR, and group therapy. It's been effective enough that I've been able to avoid going back on SSRIs.
Eh, even if all of the theoretical basis is bullshit it's possible that it is just very effectively utilizes the placebo effect, like it generates a lot of confidence due to some combination of plausibility, the appearance of a strong scientific basis, and the subject's own perception of being treated.
There have been some comparison studies that have looked at outcomes of EMDR verse pill placebo and EMDR does significantly better.
Oh, yeah, I checked out the study.
What I'm saying is that not all placebos are created equal. It may be that the method exploits placebo psychology particularly effectively, even if it may do so accidentally.
But then again maybe it has a stronger theoretical basis than I realize, I don't know a lot about memory formation yet.
Some of the meta-analyses are giving indications on par with SSRIs. It may be the placebo effect, but it still puts it on par with the most effective treatments for PTSD but without the potential side effects. And it does put it much further ahead then simply talking to a good listener.
I'm soooo sorry. Eggs and bacon are two of the most delicious thing on the planet. Or have vegans finally declared bacon as a vegetable so they can get some of that delicousness?
I think we should declare vegans as vegetables, they probably are leaner than a lot of grass fed beef.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
We also may be approaching a level of sophistication in psychology where it's no longer meaningful to talk about the placebo effect as something to be avoided, but rather something to be harnessed.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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We also may be approaching a level of sophistication in psychology where it's no longer meaningful to talk about the placebo effect as something to be avoided, but rather something to be harnessed.
hmmmmm
i mean i accept this but i wonder about what it really means
We also may be approaching a level of sophistication in psychology where it's no longer meaningful to talk about the placebo effect as something to be avoided, but rather something to be harnessed.
hmmmmm
i mean i accept this but i wonder about what it really means
I don't know!
I don't know if anybody knows.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
We also may be approaching a level of sophistication in psychology where it's no longer meaningful to talk about the placebo effect as something to be avoided, but rather something to be harnessed.
hmmmmm
i mean i accept this but i wonder about what it really means
I don't know!
I don't know if anybody knows.
but not knowing things makes me afraid and now i am weeping in a ball on the floor
tell me this isn't the best jam to brighten your day
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Wooo got my cpap machine.
The doctor told me I had severe apnea. He said I had over 600 apneaic episodes over the course of the test night, and that it averaged over 100 an hour.
The number for Diagnosing Severe Apnea?: 30 an hour.
We also may be approaching a level of sophistication in psychology where it's no longer meaningful to talk about the placebo effect as something to be avoided, but rather something to be harnessed.
hmmmmm
i mean i accept this but i wonder about what it really means
I don't know!
I don't know if anybody knows.
but not knowing things makes me afraid and now i am weeping in a ball on the floor
The upside is I wake up screaming less. So if the price I have to pay is you crying on the floor because your brain hurts...well then I'll just make that sacrifice.
And man, I need Jacob or Bogart around so they can appreciate how funny this is:
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
But then again maybe it has a stronger theoretical basis than I realize, I don't know a lot about memory formation yet.
It's really more of "this seems to work and we don't know why it works yet."
So the "theoretical basis" is really going to be more like "hypothetical basis."
It's one of those examples of science going from practice to theory rather than from theory to practice.
I'm always very wary of that.
Hello lobotomies.
Then again, I doubt EMDR could possibly do that sort of damage.
Counterpoints: aspirin, lithium (examples of drugs that are very safe but existed prior to any plausible etiological explanations for their therapeutic properties).
vioxx, tysabri (drugs that were the products of intelligent drug design targeting a specific mechanism of action but turned out to carry dangerous side effects)
TLDR: empiricism reprezent
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
We also may be approaching a level of sophistication in psychology where it's no longer meaningful to talk about the placebo effect as something to be avoided, but rather something to be harnessed.
hmmmmm
i mean i accept this but i wonder about what it really means
I don't know!
I don't know if anybody knows.
but not knowing things makes me afraid and now i am weeping in a ball on the floor
The upside is I wake up screaming less. So if the price I have to pay is you crying on the floor because your brain hurts...well then I'll just make that sacrifice.
We also may be approaching a level of sophistication in psychology where it's no longer meaningful to talk about the placebo effect as something to be avoided, but rather something to be harnessed.
Let's face it, for most of the history of clinical psychology it is basically the driving force behind any beneficial effects.
Of course, I think further advances in neuroscience are really going to change how we treat psychology. For instance, developing treatments that exploit plasticity in a theoretically solid manner would be wonderful.
I'm soooo sorry. Eggs and bacon are two of the most delicious thing on the planet. Or have vegans finally declared bacon as a vegetable so they can get some of that delicousness?
Honestly, I never liked eggs. Scrambled, sunnyside, anything. Believe me, I tried.
Bacon was just ok. I only liked it because it was salty, honestly.
The only breakfast foods I've ever liked were pancakes, Super sweet cereal (Read Crunch Berries), cinnamon toast and french toast. All of these things I liked because they almost seemed like dessert and not breakfast.
The doctor told me I had severe apnea. He said I had over 600 apneaic episodes over the course of the test night, and that it averaged over 100 an hour.
The number for Diagnosing Severe Apnea?: 30 an hour.
WHEN I GO I GO HARDCORE DON'T FORGET IT BITCHES.
So you basically ain't slept since you were born.
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
We also may be approaching a level of sophistication in psychology where it's no longer meaningful to talk about the placebo effect as something to be avoided, but rather something to be harnessed.
hmmmmm
i mean i accept this but i wonder about what it really means
I don't know!
I don't know if anybody knows.
but not knowing things makes me afraid and now i am weeping in a ball on the floor
The upside is I wake up screaming less. So if the price I have to pay is you crying on the floor because your brain hurts...well then I'll just make that sacrifice.
And man, I need Jacob or Bogart around so they can appreciate how funny this is:
The doctor told me I had severe apnea. He said I had over 600 apneaic episodes over the course of the test night, and that it averaged over 100 an hour.
The number for Diagnosing Severe Apnea?: 30 an hour.
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well cant help you on the second one
So, I'm vegan.
But, I'm a breakfast hater.
Breakfast can die in a fire. Maybe, it'll turn out better.
You would not like it here or there?
You would not like it anywhere?
Oh, yeah, I checked out the study.
What I'm saying is that not all placebos are created equal. It may be that the method exploits placebo psychology particularly effectively, even if it may do so accidentally.
But then again maybe it has a stronger theoretical basis than I realize, I don't know a lot about memory formation yet.
Well brunch is superior but my office doesn't really allow that so breakfast it is.
Not before noon
so many haters
I'm soooo sorry. Eggs and bacon are two of the most delicious thing on the planet. Or have vegans finally declared bacon as a vegetable so they can get some of that delicousness?
Breakfast is analogous to scotch; initially unpleasant, but eventually something you'll want to do every day before you go to work
Some of the meta-analyses are giving indications on par with SSRIs. It may be the placebo effect, but it still puts it on par with the most effective treatments for PTSD but without the potential side effects. And it does put it much further ahead then simply talking to a good listener.
It's really more of "this seems to work and we don't know why it works yet."
So the "theoretical basis" is really going to be more like "hypothetical basis."
It's one of those examples of science going from practice to theory rather than from theory to practice.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I think we should declare vegans as vegetables, they probably are leaner than a lot of grass fed beef.
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Nothing like scrambled eggs and bacon with pancakes and a tall glass of cool, refreshing scotch to start your morning off right.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Can it not be both?
I'm always very wary of that.
Hello lobotomies.
Then again, I doubt EMDR could possibly do that sort of damage.
pleasepaypreacher.net
hmmmmm
i mean i accept this but i wonder about what it really means
That is really creepy.
Face Twit Rav Gram
I don't know!
I don't know if anybody knows.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
but not knowing things makes me afraid and now i am weeping in a ball on the floor
I think it's more that one of them makes sense, and one of them is goddamn blasphemy
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Assume the game is intended to be a total trainwreck.
tell me this isn't the best jam to brighten your day
The doctor told me I had severe apnea. He said I had over 600 apneaic episodes over the course of the test night, and that it averaged over 100 an hour.
The number for Diagnosing Severe Apnea?: 30 an hour.
WHEN I GO I GO HARDCORE DON'T FORGET IT BITCHES.
The upside is I wake up screaming less. So if the price I have to pay is you crying on the floor because your brain hurts...well then I'll just make that sacrifice.
And man, I need Jacob or Bogart around so they can appreciate how funny this is:
are the assassins also warlocks or do they assassinate warlocks
Counterpoints: aspirin, lithium (examples of drugs that are very safe but existed prior to any plausible etiological explanations for their therapeutic properties).
vioxx, tysabri (drugs that were the products of intelligent drug design targeting a specific mechanism of action but turned out to carry dangerous side effects)
TLDR: empiricism reprezent
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
monster
Let's face it, for most of the history of clinical psychology it is basically the driving force behind any beneficial effects.
Of course, I think further advances in neuroscience are really going to change how we treat psychology. For instance, developing treatments that exploit plasticity in a theoretically solid manner would be wonderful.
Honestly, I never liked eggs. Scrambled, sunnyside, anything. Believe me, I tried.
Bacon was just ok. I only liked it because it was salty, honestly.
The only breakfast foods I've ever liked were pancakes, Super sweet cereal (Read Crunch Berries), cinnamon toast and french toast. All of these things I liked because they almost seemed like dessert and not breakfast.
So you basically ain't slept since you were born.
:^:
Thom: That is funny.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
preeeettty much