The only other things I can think of would be the ever-important "This is Not a Democracy" clause, all matters are up to mod discretion, and a rule against complaining about jail in public. Other than that, we've got a sound setup, with plenty of room for mod-expandability should the need arise.
I successfully saved against the urge to put "this is not a democracy, it's a cheerocracy, and the mods are the cheertators." :P
If we need to put that in there, we may as well just shut down the forums now. I don't see it in any of the other forums' rules, anyhow. ;-)
Happiness is mandatory. Are your Happiness Levels up to par, citizen?
Besides, the 'all matters are up to mod discretion' is pretty much common sense, but the no complaining about jail in public rule would be a good addition.
Besides, the 'all matters are up to mod discretion' is pretty much common sense, but the no complaining about jail in public rule would be a good addition.
Well, then, it's lucky I already put it in there, isn't it? :P
Uhm.. the difference between a MUSH/MUD/nethack & tabletop games as i see it is that they are games designed to be played on a computer, using an electronic medium, while playing over JParanoia or suchnot are games designed to be played on a tabletop, played using an electronic medium.
Sorry isn't going to do it; I'm afraid you're going to have to commit ritual suicide.
Uhm.. the difference between a MUSH/MUD/nethack & tabletop games as i see it is that they are games designed to be played on a computer, using an electronic medium, while playing over JParanoia or suchnot are games designed to be played on a tabletop, played using an electronic medium.
Does that makes sense?
Kind... of. I guess.
Maybe if I could have a specific example? Like, what's the difference between DnD over IRC with a dice-bot, and <insert MUDD here>?
Sorry isn't going to do it; I'm afraid you're going to have to commit ritual suicide.
Uhm.. the difference between a MUSH/MUD/nethack & tabletop games as i see it is that they are games designed to be played on a computer, using an electronic medium, while playing over JParanoia or suchnot are games designed to be played on a tabletop, played using an electronic medium.
Does that makes sense?
Kind... of. I guess.
Maybe if I could have a specific example? Like, what's the difference between DnD over IRC with a dice-bot, and <insert MUDD here>?
DnD over IRC is, well, DnD over IRC. A MUD is a multi-player text-based adventure game based off of the rules of DnD, most of the time only vaguely.
"each campaign or touniment gets it's own thread. Redundant threads for genral discussion or game lobbies need not apply." But you know... with good spelling and punctuation.
Like that would allow for a [Game On] e-mail chess and an e-mail chess torunament to run at the same time. The would be sepreate animals. Or a "Magic rule set 1" and "Magic rule set 2" tourny. I think that is what we want.
How's that?
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I see not problem with TT being high above the Muck Muckity-muck.
I have a question, wasn't the very foundation of most muds were based on rules of table top games, so would a discussion on those be ok in this new potential forum?
I personally would leave that in G&T. The dividing line has to be somewhere, and I supose electronic game vs. non-electronic games is a good enough line as any.
Yeah, as much as I like where you are coming from, I have to agree with Bri. The dividing line really has to be there. A good MUSH will have many great table top elements involved such as strict role play, "dicey" combat mechanics and stats, etc. The fact is though, you are playing over the internet, in front of your PC.
I wouldn't want to extend that division too far; then it would probably end up being strictly a discussion board, since tools such as JParanoia and OpenRPG are, in fact, playing over the internet on your PC.
Oops, yeah. Keen eye. That's what I get for making poast without coffee.
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I was of course taking the MUD question to mean games like Retro-MUD or Darkness Falls that have no equivilant or roots in pen and paper. It goes without saying that I would have no problem with a game of D&D played remotly.
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edited February 2006
I played a MUD once. I was disappointed because I thought there would be pictures. Then I found out what MUD stood for.
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edit: I've spent most of the time I've been a mod there trying to make it more accessible. If you've got specific complaints, please PM me so that I can work on them.
I think that half the problem with Writer's Block (and this applies to me too!) is that no one wants to read anyone else's writing for fear of contaminating their own work.
Learning from another person's style is one thing, but I wouldn't want to adopt any plot points in my own work-in-progress from something I read there. It is... akward.
I am neither throwing my banner for or against this idea, which is why I am asking a lot of questions.
I was not focusing exclusively on Game On! threads, but it was a large question in my mind, so let me clarify on that matter. The thing is, unlike say Starcraft or Counter-Strike, each D&D game would need it's own Game On! Thread, and I can easily see the forum being all but over-run by them. And as some forumers lose interest in doing these P&P games, the threads they had made will slowly die, causing the forum to be filled with the fetid corpses of forgotten D&D games. I think how the forum would handle such threads is a huge part of the feasibility of your proposed forum. Do you deny each person their own Game On thread? Do you consolidate? Do you limit the number of threads?
But it's not all [Game On] D&D threads. It's also miniature wargaming and hobbyist stuff, and card collecting, and all the other miscellaneous stuff that isn't really technology.
It might not be the entirerity of the forum, but you need to keep it in mind. It might be a minority, it might be a majority, it might not even happen, but you need to have a plan of action to go along with P&P Game On!'s if you want this idea to float.
For the record, I've made threads and particpated in threads involving MtG while in SE, I never found there to be any problem with this. I've seen more than a couple threads in the AC about minature painting (and they would probably be the ones you'd want to go to about that sort anyway). And then there is the WH2K thread in G&T. I don't exactly see a huge niche in need of filling, and I want to know how much thought you have put into this.
Why should there be any limitation to the number of threads at all? No other subforum has a maximum thread number cap. If threads go anywhere at all then they are slowly removed from the bottom of the pile during forum database maintence along with the likewise dead threads from every other subforum.
As for having a lot of "[Game On]Game title here" threads, more power to them. Just alter the title so that it is not identical to the next game on thread (which the forum software would require anyway), and you are good to go.
To answer those of you who question whether enough support exists for such a forum:
I was in Ventrilo the other night with about seven other people. They spent about 45 minutes discussing one aspect of someone's PnP campaign, who was trying to tweak the rules of his particular reality just right.
I know I spend a ridiculous amount of time learning everything I can about the rules of 3.5 edition D&D when I'm playing it, simply because whenever there's a rules question, everyone in my group turns and looks at me. I could talk about the nuances to the rules to just 3.5 edition D&D for at least fifty pages, and that's just me.
And pheezer, just because you aren't interested in a subject enough to talk about it substantially doesn't mean that no one else is. Contrary to your belief, the universe does not revolve around you; your ego is just massive enough that it could.
That was probably mine. Next topic I am going to raise along those lines is everyday life in a bronze age culture. Look forward to it!
With that out of the way, I'm going to need some numbers. So I'm going to add a poll to this thread. Please vote only once, and please vote honestly. I'm also going to ask that you guys get together some info for me. If I was to make a temporary subforum, what do you think are reasonable requirements for it to stick around? Not that I wan't useless "POAST" posts floating around, but in terms of legit activity, what are some good minimum bounds? At what point do we evaluate if the forum should recieve tenure or not? I'd also like some pseudo official rules if the forum were to be made. It sounds silly, but it will help me make my descision. I know, I've gotten crotchety in my old age.
I don't think you need any minimum bounds, per se. If there isn't enough activity to warrant a forum, then participation will naturally drop off as people get bored with it. I'd say just keep an eye on it and if you see that it goes for long periods of time without activity, then there's a good chance that tabletop gaming doesn't warrant its own forum.
I'd recommend against setting hard limits because then that sort of forces people who are interested in it to artificially post "legit" activity to meet the requirements which will decrease the overall quality of the forum. I'd say just let things naturally flow and then use a judgement call on whether there is enough activity.
I agree with this point. If you enforce minimum activity then you will get pointless poasting just to meet the minimum. I would say keep an eye on it, and decide after a little time if you have a warm fuzzy feeling about it or not. No harm no foul if you let it be known that the forum is probationary and then later you decide it doesn't make the cut.
Okay, it's been said several times, but not in a succinct, direct way: I see a ton of people clamoring for a tabletop gaming forum, and I don't recognize any of those names as people who have ever tried to sustain any tabletop gaming-related threads in G&T.
People keep citing the need for a new forum based on the fact that "it's impossible to do what we want to do in G&T". Is it? Do we know that for a fact? I don't think we do. If you guys really want to talk about something tabletop gaming-related, go make a thread in G&T. Do it. Seriously, go make one right now, and we'll see what happens. I'll probably even post in your thread.
If it turns out to really not be possible to get the desired foruming experience by creating threads in G&T, then we should revisit this issue again. But, for now, people who haven't even bothered trying should stop saying that it's not possible to get what you want using the current forum structure.
Of course it is possible, but that doesn't mean it is the best / most intuitive / most economical way to do it. As an extreeme example, I could go dig a ditch with a garden trawl, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't use a shovel if I could get my hands on one.
Could I post a thread with a character backstory and ask for tips and advice on how to make it better in G+T, or would it be moved?
well, are you asking for how to make it better from a writing perspective?
don't you think that the writing forum would be the best place to get advice of that nature?
That's exactly my point. Tabletop gaming involves a wide variety of things that are covered by separate forums. It's not feasible to post to all the various forums for this one topic. Besides, I guarantee you that the people in Writer's Block won't give half a fuck about my half-elf ranger's childhood, nor will Artist's Corner give a flying fuck about my shitty character art, nor will H/A give a fuck about how I should deal with my DM or whatever.
'nuff said, and no that wasn't a slight on those paticular subforums. It just isn't what they do there.
I would end up spending most of my time reading and posting in the non-digital games section. And on this poll, do you think that perhaps you could post a poll in G&T as well? Like I said earlier, most people don't frequent the monkey den. I am just trying to help make the results as accurate as possible.
I know, but if people can't make the 5 clicks required to vote in this poll, they won't post in a new forum past when the novelty wears off.
But see, most people will never see this particular poll for a very simple reason: Everyone knows the Monkey Den is devoted to technical stuff. Usually someone getting an error message or something. The tabletoppers have no reason to come here. You don't come in here expecting to see a poll about tabletop gaming. I personally would have never seen this thread if the 'who got banned' thread weren't so damned entertaining.
Now, you put it in G&T, where I would suspect just about all of the tabletoppers would reside, and you still don't get a decent-sized voting sample, then you have a very valid argument.
Also, the D&D game in SE worked fine until the GM (pony) disappeared.
EDIT: CYOA failed because of the limited access to even view the stuff.
Before the WB, it was damn near impossible for me to get any comment on my writing. I tried multiple times in AC, and no one seemed to know things. The thread in H/A proved that there was interest for such a forum, but having everything limited to one thread was stagnating crits. It was about that time the Bone Daddy approached me about creating a writing forum. I agreed, and we spent a month or two working on the rules and prepping the forums. The total time for all of this? Between 6 or 9 months, mabye more. See how long that took, the whole process of it? Getting a forum to pop out like this is unheard of, so have patience with your mods, dammit.
And after those six to nine months of work, I still can't get any crit on my writing.
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edited February 2006
Bri, you are dead wrong about usage of forums. I've fucking seen people post pictures of their D&D characters and get crits on them. In fact, I've already responded to that post.
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Bri, you are dead wrong about usage of forums. I've fucking seen people post pictures of their D&D characters and get crits on them. In fact, I've already responded to that post.
I will admit to haveing no exp with AC, since I don't have a graphical artist's bone in my body. I appologise if I sounded like I was implying that help couldn't be had there. As for Writer's block, my own thread there is proof enough of my point.
And now, since I took a break to go to Denny's, I will continue to reply to posts I didn't have the time to catch up on earlier:
Your defintions for tabletop gaming are spot-on, Thanatos. The only thing I could think of as constructive criticism would be a bulleted list for easy reading, but that's just a stylistic matter.
How are meet-up/game night threads going to be handled? Potentially, someone could make a thread along the lines of "[Your Area] Game Night," and while it could be fine, it could cause problems. Mods, what do you think? Does it need a ruling and/or guidelines, or is it more of a case-by-case judgment?
Another thread idea is a chess-by-(e)mail thread, where game sign-ups are held so they don't clutter the rest of the forum with two- or three-line "[GAME ON] - Chess" threads (simliar to the theory behind the Poetry Thread in AC).
I wouldn't have a problem with that type of thread, but I would alter the tag a bit:
"[Local Game On] Seattle* D&D 3.5"
*Your area here
OK, caught up. I supose that will do.
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No, your thread is not proof of any point. I more proves that people are reluctant to tead something that is fairly long. (I think you sent me a PM when you started that thread asking me to read your story, and my response was if I have the time to do an indepth read and analysis, I will. I haven't had that time.)
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i can't believe we are still arguing that this could happen across existing forums
Oh, I don't think there is any doubt that it could. It's just that tabletop gaming is a large enough topic that it would happen infinitely better in its own forum.
At least, that's how I see it.
The only real question seems to be if there is enough demand to warrant its own forum. Judging by the number of votes, I'd say it is likely. If it isn't, you could just get rid of it. Personally, I don't think the volume of tabletop-related posts is so great that the existing forums would really notice their absence when they migrate, either. Well, maybe AC and WB would...but G&T certainly wouldn't.
they are just milling over the same arguments over and over again
i guess if they say it enough it will instantly happen
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Artists Corner is where normal, non-artistically gifted types, such as myself go with our personal bests just to get ground down into quivering piles of goo. It is not a friendly place where you can post a character sketch for people to look at. Hell, one of my first posts there (and subsequently one of my last) was in a thread about Aliens/Predators. I got reamed for posting there. Now after retrying in I believe two other threads and nearly being beheaded in both, I basically got told it sucked and that I should in effect cut off both my hands for trying to draw. That is not the friendly environment that people into tabletop gaming are expecting, and would most likely stop them from ever posting any sort of mock-up, character picture, or random scene sketch again. I probably shouldn't make a whole post attacking a single issue, but thats the only one that I can personally relate with at this time.
For the lazy bastards who TLDR: AC not friendly. Not good for this sort of thing.
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No, your thread is not proof of any point. I more proves that people are reluctant to tead something that is fairly long. (I think you sent me a PM when you started that thread asking me to read your story, and my response was if I have the time to do an indepth read and analysis, I will. I haven't had that time.)
Munkus, you are saying that WB is a good place to get critique for your work, I am saying I am not seeing this help you speak of. Both of our experiences are equaly valid. As of now I have totally written off (excuse the pun) Writer's Block as a place to get any supprt regarding the topic.
I am not asking that you prove me wrong, I am sure there is a plethora of topics there that prove your point. The trend seems to me however that if you are writing more than a page in length you are on your own. If soeone from there offers to help me and doesn't disapear after I E-Mail them my work then I will retract my statements.
Until then *shrug*
In any case, this is all off topic. Sure you "could" post up character bios and such there, and sure you "could" put up extensive campaign setting info and background there, but that isn't what that forum is for even now. I have pages and pages of info for my own campaign setting. I am not looking for help on any of it. I am sure that would be greeted in WB with "so why are you posting this here?" all the way to "Don't post it here unless you want us to critique it."
Back to my earlier point: Sure we could use existing forums for each aspect of a table-top game, but that isn't what those forums are for.
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Back to my earlier point: Sure we could use existing forums for each aspect of a table-top game, but that isn't what those forums are for.
Personally, I see it as a good way to get general tabletop gaming out of G&T and into its own forum where it might have a better chance of thriving. The fact that it would give people a place to post tabletop-related art and writing is just a bonus.
Looking at the first two pages of G&T, I see all of about 5 tabletop related threads. Now, the number of votes in favor of a tabletop forum would suggest that there is more demand for tabletop-related discussion than that. This would suggest to me that most people are just not bothering to start something like a "[Game On] Chess!" thread because they suspect it would get swiftly drowned out in a forum as broad and video-game heavy as G&T. If it isn't something huge like Warhammer, it is unlikely to live on the first page for long.
But every possible point seems to have been discussed into the ground. So either we are simply waiting for the admins/mods to hammer it out and open it up (which obviously could take a few days), or we're waiting for them to tell us to piss off.
The way I see it is that if you want help with writing your character's background, you go to the place where the professional writers and editors hang out.
If you want help drawing your character, you go where the professional artists hang out.
I'm not sure why people don't do this. It doesn't make sense to do anything else, for me.
The way I see it is that if you want help with writing your character's background, you go to the place where the professional writers and editors hang out.
If you want help drawing your character, you go where the professional artists hang out.
I'm not sure why people don't do this. It doesn't make sense to do anything else, for me.
Yeah, and if you want to play or talk about a game, you go to G&T. This is just like how before there was Writer's Block, people were supposed to go to the AC to get their writing critiqued. The problem? They didn't. Say what you will about what people should do, and how things should work, but the fact is that they don't, regardless of what "should" happen. And since that's the case, I don't see any reason not to at least give Tabletop Gaming a trial run; hey, if it's a horrible failure, all you mods saying "we shouldn't do this" get to say "see, I told you so, assholes." And I know you guys love to do that. :P
I agree that G*T is too fast-paced for tabletop threads to stick around, but as stated I believe that if you want help with your stuff, you go to where the specialists hang out. It only makes sense.
And I'm all for a trial run; I just think that there will be severe attrition over the course of the first month.
If I want someone to critique the paint job on my latest Warhammer figure, I'm not going to toss it out to a bunch of random artists. I'm going to ask fellow Warhammer players.
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Well, the specialists in that case would be fellow Warhammer players, wouldn't they?
Yea, so pretty much pricks. (speaking for myself:P)
I do agree with asking for advice from folks that focus on specifically that subject.
GuRu posts in AC a bit and drops some of his conversions/paintjobs on us, and he gets very little comments on his work. Now, if he dropped it in a 40K or Modeling thread, I guarentee you he'll get more comments.
I'm curious to see if any new accounts are created specifically to post on a Table Top forum. Not that it would be easy to tell or anything.
FWIW- I forgot my password months ago, and only went to the trouble of finding it again so that I could participate in the most recent boardgames thread in G&T.
I'd probably post in there- but I'm not sure if I'd be any more inclined to post there than in the boardgamegeek forums.
Note: for the person with the link to a new tabletop gaming forum in their sig... if you could use the PA cookie, it would be much more tempting.
So, are there any updates as to the status of this? I have the impression that the mods are more or less against this, but is there anything more we could do to increase the chances of the creation of the forum.
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Besides, the 'all matters are up to mod discretion' is pretty much common sense, but the no complaining about jail in public rule would be a good addition.
Uhm.. the difference between a MUSH/MUD/nethack & tabletop games as i see it is that they are games designed to be played on a computer, using an electronic medium, while playing over JParanoia or suchnot are games designed to be played on a tabletop, played using an electronic medium.
Does that makes sense?
Kind... of. I guess.
Maybe if I could have a specific example? Like, what's the difference between DnD over IRC with a dice-bot, and <insert MUDD here>?
DnD over IRC is, well, DnD over IRC. A MUD is a multi-player text-based adventure game based off of the rules of DnD, most of the time only vaguely.
Okay, I think I'm getting a rough idea, at least. Yeah, sounds like a G&T thing.
I see not problem with TT being high above the Muck Muckity-muck.
Oops, yeah. Keen eye. That's what I get for making poast without coffee.
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I don't get it.
I'm missing the funny.
I'm pretty sure there is some ment to be there.
Oh. That what it means? I feel silly then.
see what I did there? See how there was a punchline?
From way back on page 2: I think that half the problem with Writer's Block (and this applies to me too!) is that no one wants to read anyone else's writing for fear of contaminating their own work.
Learning from another person's style is one thing, but I wouldn't want to adopt any plot points in my own work-in-progress from something I read there. It is... akward.
Why should there be any limitation to the number of threads at all? No other subforum has a maximum thread number cap. If threads go anywhere at all then they are slowly removed from the bottom of the pile during forum database maintence along with the likewise dead threads from every other subforum.
As for having a lot of "[Game On]Game title here" threads, more power to them. Just alter the title so that it is not identical to the next game on thread (which the forum software would require anyway), and you are good to go.
That was probably mine. Next topic I am going to raise along those lines is everyday life in a bronze age culture. Look forward to it!
I agree with this point. If you enforce minimum activity then you will get pointless poasting just to meet the minimum. I would say keep an eye on it, and decide after a little time if you have a warm fuzzy feeling about it or not. No harm no foul if you let it be known that the forum is probationary and then later you decide it doesn't make the cut.
Of course it is possible, but that doesn't mean it is the best / most intuitive / most economical way to do it. As an extreeme example, I could go dig a ditch with a garden trawl, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't use a shovel if I could get my hands on one.
'nuff said, and no that wasn't a slight on those paticular subforums. It just isn't what they do there.
This is a very valid point.
And after those six to nine months of work, I still can't get any crit on my writing.
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I will admit to haveing no exp with AC, since I don't have a graphical artist's bone in my body. I appologise if I sounded like I was implying that help couldn't be had there. As for Writer's block, my own thread there is proof enough of my point.
And now, since I took a break to go to Denny's, I will continue to reply to posts I didn't have the time to catch up on earlier:
I wouldn't have a problem with that type of thread, but I would alter the tag a bit:
"[Local Game On] Seattle* D&D 3.5"
*Your area here
OK, caught up. I supose that will do.
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Oh, I don't think there is any doubt that it could. It's just that tabletop gaming is a large enough topic that it would happen infinitely better in its own forum.
At least, that's how I see it.
The only real question seems to be if there is enough demand to warrant its own forum. Judging by the number of votes, I'd say it is likely. If it isn't, you could just get rid of it. Personally, I don't think the volume of tabletop-related posts is so great that the existing forums would really notice their absence when they migrate, either. Well, maybe AC and WB would...but G&T certainly wouldn't.
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they are just milling over the same arguments over and over again
i guess if they say it enough it will instantly happen
For the lazy bastards who TLDR: AC not friendly. Not good for this sort of thing.
Munkus, you are saying that WB is a good place to get critique for your work, I am saying I am not seeing this help you speak of. Both of our experiences are equaly valid. As of now I have totally written off (excuse the pun) Writer's Block as a place to get any supprt regarding the topic.
I am not asking that you prove me wrong, I am sure there is a plethora of topics there that prove your point. The trend seems to me however that if you are writing more than a page in length you are on your own. If soeone from there offers to help me and doesn't disapear after I E-Mail them my work then I will retract my statements.
Until then *shrug*
In any case, this is all off topic. Sure you "could" post up character bios and such there, and sure you "could" put up extensive campaign setting info and background there, but that isn't what that forum is for even now. I have pages and pages of info for my own campaign setting. I am not looking for help on any of it. I am sure that would be greeted in WB with "so why are you posting this here?" all the way to "Don't post it here unless you want us to critique it."
Back to my earlier point: Sure we could use existing forums for each aspect of a table-top game, but that isn't what those forums are for.
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Personally, I see it as a good way to get general tabletop gaming out of G&T and into its own forum where it might have a better chance of thriving. The fact that it would give people a place to post tabletop-related art and writing is just a bonus.
Looking at the first two pages of G&T, I see all of about 5 tabletop related threads. Now, the number of votes in favor of a tabletop forum would suggest that there is more demand for tabletop-related discussion than that. This would suggest to me that most people are just not bothering to start something like a "[Game On] Chess!" thread because they suspect it would get swiftly drowned out in a forum as broad and video-game heavy as G&T. If it isn't something huge like Warhammer, it is unlikely to live on the first page for long.
But every possible point seems to have been discussed into the ground. So either we are simply waiting for the admins/mods to hammer it out and open it up (which obviously could take a few days), or we're waiting for them to tell us to piss off.
If you want help drawing your character, you go where the professional artists hang out.
I'm not sure why people don't do this. It doesn't make sense to do anything else, for me.
And I'm all for a trial run; I just think that there will be severe attrition over the course of the first month.
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We fall but our souls are flying
I do agree with asking for advice from folks that focus on specifically that subject.
GuRu posts in AC a bit and drops some of his conversions/paintjobs on us, and he gets very little comments on his work. Now, if he dropped it in a 40K or Modeling thread, I guarentee you he'll get more comments.
I'm curious when and if that would take place. Alpha hasn't been in this thread for a while.
I'm sure it's being discussed in the mods forum. Hammering out rules, who'll babysit it, and what-not. Patience my friend.
So I do.
He is protesting my naming his involvement. I find this humorous.
FWIW- I forgot my password months ago, and only went to the trouble of finding it again so that I could participate in the most recent boardgames thread in G&T.
I'd probably post in there- but I'm not sure if I'd be any more inclined to post there than in the boardgamegeek forums.
Note: for the person with the link to a new tabletop gaming forum in their sig... if you could use the PA cookie, it would be much more tempting.